1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:

Yes, I mentioned specifically the case of the three political operatives. They were paid by Yeltsin. Of course there were others, perhaps paid directly by the US government. 

I was responding to the comment that "Putin and Yeltsin were supported financially heavily by the US in the elections..." 

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2020-11-02/putin-clinton-transitions

I am arriving at this thread too late, and I have no time to read it all. From a quick read, I was left with the need to praise @tassojunior. We have clashed before, and we still disagree on many things, but I respect your braveness to confront alone what seems to be the entire local dwellers. 

I am also warmed at seeing your understanding, tasso, of American self-delusion. 

If you are enjoying the conversation, please do not stop. However, my advice is to move on. It does not matter how many flaws in America you may highlight. The response will always be that others are worse, with no traces of self-examination. 

6 hours ago, tassojunior said:

a stack of death soldiers for pro-war fascists to enjoy. IDK but you can pretend they're "the other side" if it makes you come faster.

 

In case you didn't notice. You're the only sick fuck who goes looking for such things. Get help, you need it. 

8 minutes ago, forky123 said:

In case you didn't notice. You're the only sick fuck who goes looking for such things. Get help, you need it. 

someone has to confront fascists with what your support of war and death looks like. 

10 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

someone has to confront fascists with what your support of war and death looks like. 

Your idea of a fascist is someone that disagrees with you. 

Your constant looking for images of war and death and fantasies about old men masturbating to them is the sign of a very sick mind. 

12 minutes ago, forky123 said:

Your idea of a fascist is someone that disagrees with you. 

Your constant looking for images of war and death and fantasies about old men masturbating to them is the sign of a very sick mind. 

my idea of fascism is the definition of fascism. and fascist robots like you who don't care how many people you kill are the smug evil that will come back on all of us.

54 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

my idea of fascism is the definition of fascism. and fascist robots like you who don't care how many people you kill are the smug evil that will come back on all of us.

You know nothing about me or my politics other than that I think Ukraine has a right to defend itself. You don't know if I am left, right or center. You, on the other hand, support and make excuses for a Putin dictatorship that is threatening nuclear attack, murdering civilians including women and children, destroying civilian infrastructure, targeting hospitals, nuclear power stations, water and sanitation infrastructure as well as other war crimes. That makes you the murderous Nazi.

The WP article that I linked was from a book “Rigged: America, Russia, and One Hundred Years of Covert Electoral Interference,” which will be published on June 30, 2020 by Knopf. 

There are a lot more of covert electoral interference than that 1996 Russia case.

1 hour ago, forky123 said:

You know nothing about me or my politics other than that I think Ukraine has a right to defend itself. You don't know if I am left, right or center. You, on the other hand, support and make excuses for a Putin dictatorship that is threatening nuclear attack, murdering civilians including women and children, destroying civilian infrastructure, targeting hospitals, nuclear power stations, water and sanitation infrastructure as well as other war crimes. That makes you the murderous Nazi.

I don't really care whether you are a Republican or a Democratic or a Whig fascist or that you you can repeat verbatim the regime's current narrative of why we need a WW3. You don't know or want to know the history of the actual facts because you only want to know the facts the regime tells you. You're scared to death to dissent or think independently because that could make you an outcast. You're a 1933 German and you'd gladly light the ovens if the regime told you to. But you'd do it in a rainbow t shirt to show you're cool.  

3 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

I don't really care whether you are a Republican or a Democratic or a Whig fascist or that you you can repeat verbatim the regime's current narrative of why we need a WW3. You don't know or want to know the history of the actual facts because you only want to know the facts the regime tells you. You're scared to death to dissent or think independently because that could make you an outcast. You're a 1933 German and you'd gladly light the ovens if the regime told you to. But you'd do it in a rainbow t shirt to show you're cool.  

You simply don't get it do you? You are so set in your support of Putin that you will completely overlook the war crimes he is committing because you hate your own government and media. It's fine that you hate them but your belief that everyone else in the world follows them is simply ridiculous. Again, Ukraine defending itself is not what is pushing the nuclear war narrative, Putin is. As for your ridiculous holocaust and WW2 references, it's Putin defenestrating, poisoning and eliminating his opponents so in any 1930s comparison, you are the Nazi giggling with glee while opponents are murdered and imprisoned.

4 hours ago, tassojunior said:

I don't think it was much of a secret that the Clinton administration pulled out all stops to get Yeltsin and his deputy Putin elected in the 1996 Russian elections over the communists. 

Thanks for clarifying that Yeltsin was not "supported financially heavily" by the US government in his 1996 election.

There were many things that the Clinton administration did to help Yeltsin. But directly providing "heavy financial support" for the 1996 election wasn't one of them. 

30 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

Thanks for clarifying that Yeltsin was not "supported financially heavily" by the US government in his 1996 election.

There were many things that the Clinton administration did to help Yeltsin. But directly providing "heavy financial support" for the 1996 election wasn't one of them. 

but as I remember Clinton did push through before the election a $1.6 Billion "AID" package for Russia or something. There was a lot of disappointment with Russians that the US was not accepting their offer to join NATO and other western organizations after Gorby had pretty much given away everything there was to give (including eastern Ukraine). They were really worried the communists would be voted back in. Yeltsin and Putin had to appear to denounce Gorby to have a chance. In 2020 Putin had to denounce him to win. Then the US made a conscious decision it wanted Russia as an enemy not a friend. Ridiculous. .

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/04/05/yeltsin-gets-16-billion-in-us-aid/8f07ebfc-97bd-41aa-b93a-7c26cb495880/

5 hours ago, Latbear4blk said:

I am arriving at this thread too late, and I have no time to read it all. From a quick read, I was left with the need to praise @tassojunior. We have clashed before, and we still disagree on many things, but I respect your braveness to confront alone what seems to be the entire local dwellers. 

I am also warmed at seeing your understanding, tasso, of American self-delusion. 

If you are enjoying the conversation, please do not stop. However, my advice is to move on. It does not matter how many flaws in America you may highlight. The response will always be that others are worse, with no traces of self-examination. 

 

I have no trouble acknowledging American flaws. They are quite numerous. We're a ridiculously self-righteous nation. We've pretended to high ideals and done many shitty things.

But the idea that because America has been an ass repeatedly that all else is ok is moronic. All the sins of the world do not lay at our feet. 

21 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

4 hours ago, tassojunior said:

my idea of fascism is the definition of fascism. 

V. Putin is busy creating the type of fascist state that Drumpf and Orban can only dream about. 

 

1 hour ago, tassojunior said:

but as I remember Clinton did push through before the election a $1.6 Billion "AID" package for Russia or something.

"or something"? Now you're just listing random items. 

That particular $1.6 billion package was back in April 1993 -- not even close to the 1996 election. 🙄

11 minutes ago, Marc in Calif said:

"or something"? Now you're just listing random items.

It's what conspiracy theorists do.

From CNBC

WASHINGTON — The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant on Friday for Russian President Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes committed during his invasion of Ukraine.

The court also put out a warrant for Maria Lvova-Belova, Russia’s commissioner for children’s rights.

Putin and Lvova-Belova are “allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation” of children from occupied areas of Ukraine to Russia, the court wrote in a statement.

“There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr. Putin bears individual criminal responsibility” for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children, the ICC said. The court alleged that he committed the offenses either directly or in cooperation with others, or failed to stop subordinates under his authority.

3 hours ago, reader said:

From CNBC

WASHINGTON — The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant on Friday for Russian President Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes committed during his invasion of Ukraine.

The court also put out a warrant for Maria Lvova-Belova, Russia’s commissioner for children’s rights.

Putin and Lvova-Belova are “allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation” of children from occupied areas of Ukraine to Russia, the court wrote in a statement.

“There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr. Putin bears individual criminal responsibility” for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children, the ICC said. The court alleged that he committed the offenses either directly or in cooperation with others, or failed to stop subordinates under his authority.

Most funny part of that "news" isn't published: CNBC while published that "news" "forgot" to mention what US itself does not recognize rights of ICC and issues sanctions against prosecutors of ICC from time to time.

By the way: Ukraine also not recognize ICC, as well as Russia.

So question: who is cooker of that soup? And for whom is working that circus?

2 hours ago, Moses said:

who is cooker of that soup?

Baba Yaga

2 hours ago, Moses said:

And for whom is working that circus?

For those minions who think their boss is Koschei, when, in reality, he’s a run of the mill house elf

9 hours ago, reader said:

The court also put out a warrant for Maria Lvova-Belova, Russia’s commissioner for children’s rights.

Maria Lvova-Belova
Took off in an old Chevy Nova
She really hauled ass
Till she ran out of gas
Just across from the White Cliffs of Dover  

 

On 3/10/2023 at 1:19 PM, tassojunior said:

Here's three friends who were all killed 2 months after enlisting

 

On 3/11/2023 at 10:41 AM, unicorn said:

Looking at the nametags, they're written with the Roman alphabet, which neither Russians nor Ukrainians use. Your story sounds fishy. 

Bingo!  In the run up to Murderous Vlad's invasion of Ukraine, @tassojunior posted all kinds of photos claiming they were things they weren't over on Company of Men.  

And, no, Tasso, "US hegemony" is NOT what forced murderous Vlad to illegally deport children to Russia, earning him a rare arrest warrant for a nation's leader from the ICC.

On 3/13/2023 at 7:30 AM, tassojunior said:

here's a great photo for you fascist murderers to masturbate to.

One of the 1 million Iraqis you recently murdered going door-to-door pulling boys as young as 4 out of their homes and putting bullets in their heads and so they'd never grow up to be big "sand ni**ers" as you call them. 

You do realize how easy it is to reverse image search on Google.  Right, Tasso?  So here again we have a picture you posted that has nothing to do with what you claim it represents.

I was fanatically against the Iraq War.  So if you want a cheerleader on the point that the US went way too far, lied to the US public and the world, and weakened our military, political, and moral force, I'll cheer that idea. That mouthful said, I don't mind being the kettle to Murderous Vlad's genocidal pot.  Or should I say genocidal plot?

The picture you posted above has nothing to do with your alleged US soldiers killing 4 year old Iraqi boys.  You know that, right?  You know you just made shit up, right?  Why do you just make shit up, Tasso?  Usually disinformation has a purpose.  What's yours?

The picture is worth a paragraph on, since it both demonstrates and refutes your point.  That picture ran in Der Spiegel as an example of US war crimes in Afghanistan. That's an innocent and dead 15 year old Afghan boy who was farming in a field.  The soldier pictured is Cpl. Jeremy Morlock,, who comes from Wasilla, Alaska of all places.  He was part of a self-appointed "Kill Team" who murdered three innocent Afghan civilians, In the boy's case they threw a grenade at him and opened fire with a machine gun.  That's a war crime, for sure. 

The guy who did that, along with chopping a few of the boy's fingers off as a souvenir, got life in prison.  Morlock got 24 years.  About a dozen US soldiers were investigated for the crimes.  A  number of them were dishonorably discharged and punished based on the severity of what they did.  For example, Sgt. Darren Jones got seven months in prison for assaulting another soldier and firing on (but not injuring) innocent Afghans who did not pose a threat to him.

So, yes.  War is hell.  And it does bring out both the best and worst in people.  So why did Murderous Vlad start a hell of a war in Ukraine?

The above example demonstrates that the US military does hold its own accountable.  By this standard, you would surely agree that, based on the ICC, Murderous Vlad should be held accountable, too, and spend the rest of his life in prison for the horrific things he has done to Ukrainian children.  Right, Tasso?

On 3/17/2023 at 4:18 PM, Moses said:

 

So question: who is cooker of that soup? And for whom is working that circus?

Milosevcic, Karadzic and Ratko Mladic found the answer already

12 hours ago, vinapu said:

Milosevcic, Karadzic and Ratko Mladic found the answer already

Bullshit. No one of them was in ICC court. No one. ICC is toothless.

Miloshevich, Karadzich and Mladich - all of them were in UN tribunal. And to initiate tribunal may only UN Security Council. China, Russia has veto in UN SC.

So you may continue to dream, but right now all these stories are dances of drunk British fairies -  just a propaganda, because ICC has only one mutual with UN tribunal - he is also located in Hague.

What do you think: why on the next day after arrest warrant issue UK transferred to ICC 1 million of euro?

12 hours ago, Moses said:

 

What do you think: why on the next day after arrest warrant issue UK transferred to ICC 1 million of euro?

for new bed for Mr. Putin cell , he is used to some degree of luxury as size of table he talked to Mr. Macron over attests

EU even doesn't hide this sponsorship

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/SPEECH_23_1786

"Check against delivery" - name of press-release on official site of EU. 10 millions are already paid "for Ukraine", 3 millions are promised.

Meanwhile EU itself isn't member of Rome statute nor member of ICC.

Uncovered bribe.