Members Riobard Posted August 2 Members Posted August 2 22 minutes ago, Latbear4blk said: Four posts in a raw, and describing others as obsessed? I’d suggest you think about whether you can truly Carey a point. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 2 Members Posted August 2 On 6/18/2025 at 6:57 PM, Garotos hunting said: I will be in Brazil for a month in August. I love hiring garotos de Programa. I noticed the prices could go from R$100 to R$ 2,000. I will be visiting SP, RH, Recife, Salvador and Fortaleza. I will explore the cities and also I would like to hire as much GPs as I can using my money wisely. I am not cheap but I don't want to get rid of it. I am new on this forum and I have learned a lot from you guys experiences. So what have you gained so far? I hope that you can suspend some of the bossiness put forward here and focus on having a good time with common sense. I actually figured out how to define fair and reasonable costs in a manner of a few hours during my first visit a decade ago, without the benefit (using that term very loosely) of input from a forum such as this. There’s nothing unique or special about me that facilitated that quickly acquired knowledge. Among the most amusing aspects of this topic is that I have been both falsely accused of overpaying and of being cheap, depending on whatever end game upon which a troll has set its three eyes. I can only concede a little to being stingy but that realization is connected to whatever rates others have been perfectly entitled to shell out. Enjoy the month above all! Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 2 Members Posted August 2 On 6/18/2025 at 6:57 PM, Garotos hunting said: I will be in Brazil for a month in August. I love hiring garotos de Programa. I noticed the prices could go from R$100 to R$ 2,000. I will be visiting SP, RH, Recife, Salvador and Fortaleza. RdeJ? Or a different location for expansion? Quote
floridarob Posted August 2 Posted August 2 On 6/18/2025 at 4:57 PM, Garotos hunting said: I am new on this forum and I have learned a lot from you guys experiences. If you learned anything, It should be to ignore trolls like riobard, I've met him...he's just as weird in person and full of himself, in case you didn't pick that up from his writing style. I asked a few of the guys in the sauna about him, they also said he's weird and don't understand him, so take that for what it's worth 🤷♂️ If the GP feels like you are a virgin, and new to the scene...some will try to get you for more money, some being the key word, so it's best to know what the "standard" pricing is and to be very clear what you expect, using Google translate if needed. If you were to have a disagreement, in a sauna, don't be shy or hesitant to ask the guy as reception for help... I've seen them amicably settle disputes easily over the years, don't get extorted or hurt feelings, it's a transaction, sex for money. Primeone385, Riobard, Mavica and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Members Latbear4blk Posted August 2 Members Posted August 2 37 minutes ago, floridarob said: If you learned anything, It should be to ignore trolls like riobard, +1 I will do better. Funy dat evn mispeling evry sngle wor mi sentnces r easiah too undertan. Keithambrose, Mavica, Riobard and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Members Xclay Posted August 3 Members Posted August 3 23 hours ago, floridarob said: ... If you were to have a disagreement, in a sauna, don't be shy or hesitant to ask the guy as reception for help... I've seen them amicably settle disputes easily over the years, don't get extorted or hurt feelings ... Just a quick endorsement of this recommendation based on my recent (not amicable) experience. My session at Lagoa went well until, as we departed, the GP named Cayo (not a regular there) demanded an extra 100 after I paid the agreed R$200. (This was not the smiling request for a drink that sometimes follows a good tryst.) He become angry when I declined. He seemed to think he could intimidate me and became increasingly loud and hysterical. I walked over to the reception desk and asked that he tell the GP to stop harassing me. Instead, they threw him out immediately! First time, after decades of many visits to Brazil, I've ever had such an incident. But the good guy at the reception desk put a quick end to the problem. Latbear4blk, floridarob and Riobard 3 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 3 Members Posted August 3 I think a troll’s nerve must really have been struck. Said troll has previously written … yes, receipts in fact exist here on the board … that one Riobard upon meeting for a few seconds in a loud barroom was perceived to be friendly and educated. But then, to paraphrase said troll: “one's perception is one’s reality” … in this case all over the map, no? Today’s commentary is, no doubt, manufactured and opinions from acompanhantes have actually neither been sought nor obtained by this unfortunate chap. The guy is upset, feeling insulted, and desperately both raising Cain and frantically waving his cane. In actuality he had suggested in a follow-up text that we could have dinner in Sampa. This resides in my W’zap zip file, an extended array of friendly and enjoyable communication at the time, a chat that I had kept in fact due to its merits. With his permission I’d be more than keen to append it … these are essentially bona fide receipts in a manner of speaking, in contrast to what is upthread a steaming pile of hooey regarding obviously made up transactions. I’d say “what fun” in a Boys in the Band manner, but for it being so pathetic, representing lack of wellness, and a hostile attempt at piling on with fake news. I don’t think it can or should escalate further at this point … Houston, we’d have a problem … but who among us would accept taking fabricated tales lying down? Others here might say to employ the Ignore function. I often do. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 3 Members Posted August 3 4 hours ago, Xclay said: Just a quick endorsement of this recommendation based on my recent (not amicable) experience. My session at Lagoa went well until, as we departed, the GP named Cayo (not a regular there) demanded an extra 100 after I paid the agreed R$200. (This was not the smiling request for a drink that sometimes follows a good tryst.) He become angry when I declined. He seemed to think he could intimidate me and became increasingly loud and hysterical. I walked over to the reception desk and asked that he tell the GP to stop harassing me. Instead, they threw him out immediately! First time, after decades of many visits to Brazil, I've ever had such an incident. But the good guy at the reception desk put a quick end to the problem. One of my spa regulars a few years back described an incident in which a newbie massage client, age late 60’s and a bit frail, had recently been punched and knocked out by an acompanhante and I offered to speak to the chap by phone as he was quite shaken. The massage therapist had made several attempts to reach out among his contacts for support for him, and I was one of a few willing to talk to the poor guy. I just let him vent and didn’t bombard him with details about his home origins etc but I think he was Anzac or South African based on my dealings with the large academic diaspora of clinical colleagues in my uni Medicine faculty days. Evidently there was a long wait for a suite and after waiting for about 5 minutes he apologized that the timing wouldn’t work out due to a later dinner commitment. The acompanhante followed him to the change room where the client extended his hand and expressed hoping to meet the next day or going forward over the upcoming weeks. Next thing he knew he was being pulled up off the floor by staff. The offender was thrown out and banned and the client was provided a copy of the ID on file including phone number. The client shortly afterwards saw his ad with pics in the Skokka listings, same #. Parenthetically, he joked about what a gorgeous appendage had been missed as a result of the unfortunate assault incident. What a Neanderthal, though, impulsively sabotaging a likely lucrative source of income. Who knows whether Rodolfo eventually granted probation. All I could do was commiserate and express that things had moved so quickly but that it appeared a tip had been expected for having consumed a few minutes of time, although much lengthier exchanges often don’t culminate in a programa. He experienced tinnitus and spent BRL1,500 getting checked out for concussion at a private local hospital as he had sustained both the fist blow to his right temple and his head likely struck the floor when flattened out. The guy realized that a modest symbolic-grade gratuity would have been no problem had he been savvier. Not all would agree, I suppose and of course I side with Xclay regarding his own account. He was happy about the silver lining aspect of having subsequently met a few great spa sex workers because there was no way he would return to Lagoa or any other such brothel although I offered the opinion that this was an extreme outlier experience. In ten years I have not had the misfortune of run-ins with any sex worker in Brazil. In that constituency does not nearly comparatively lie the possibility of treachery.😏 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 3 Members Posted August 3 On 8/2/2025 at 1:26 PM, Latbear4blk said: +1 I will do better. Funy dat evn mispeling evry sngle wor mi sentnces r easiah too undertan. Well I suspect that the urge to be ostentatious may undermine such intent. I do think that you may be decent enough to merit other retirement hobbies. … And as long as the oxygen masks drop as needed. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 3 Members Posted August 3 One main thing I’m trying to get across is that the payment playbook consists of competing narratives and those that want to pay the least don’t appreciate their attempts at leadership being challenged. Monetarily this makes sense; having fun without breaking the bank makes more sense. Also, until you’ve had a substantial period of experience observing the range of sex workers towards which various punters gravitate you won’t get that prices approaching rock bottom are associated with trade that a lot of us don’t perceive to be very physically attractive. This confounds the endless discussion. On this topic I can count on one hand the number of perspectives that I consider sound and valuable, irrespective of how we get along otherwise. Other than that, in Brazil nothing about the practice is particularly pricey by western standards. Quote
floridarob Posted August 3 Posted August 3 3 hours ago, Riobard said: I think a troll’s nerve must really have been struck. Yes....yours 😏 3 hours ago, Riobard said: was perceived to be friendly and educated. But then, to paraphrase said troll: “one's perception is one’s reality” … in this case all over the map, no? Past tense 3 hours ago, Riobard said: Today’s commentary is, no doubt, manufactured and opinions from acompanhantes have actually neither been sought nor obtained by this unfortunate chap. It was that same night we met for all of maybe 1 minute.... as you roamed around, the kid I was sitting with asked if I knew you, I said it was the first time meeting you in person but knew you from an online message board.... he said he and some of his friends thought you were weird, I laughed and told him he should read how you write, lol Keep in mind this was 5 years ago at the start of Covid, you reached out to me by a private message on this site where you said you only act weird ..... I figured, I'm open to meet anyone and see what they are like in person.... I even met @Keithambrose 😳 3 hours ago, Riobard said: With his permission I’d be more than keen to append it Go ahead 🤷♂️ 3 hours ago, Riobard said: regarding obviously made up transactions. You’re making a lot of guesses, which isn’t too surprising. Primeone385 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 4 Members Posted August 4 4 hours ago, floridarob said: Yes....yours 😏 Past tense It was that same night we met for all of maybe 1 minute.... as you roamed around, the kid I was sitting with asked if I knew you, I said it was the first time meeting you in person but knew you from an online message board.... he said he and some of his friends thought you were weird, I laughed and told him he should read how you write, lol Keep in mind this was 5 years ago at the start of Covid, you reached out to me by a private message on this site where you said you only act weird ..... I figured, I'm open to meet anyone and see what they are like in person.... I even met @Keithambrose 😳 Go ahead 🤷♂️ You’re making a lot of guesses, which isn’t too surprising. This oughta be fun. You are clearly a very disturbed sad sack of a man. That’s no guess. I was at a table with friends, not drinking, and I told you I’d be wearing a red baseball cap. If I said through DM I would be the one looking strange it would simply have been self-deprecating humour. Eventually, I was flagged by somebody you sent over. As you know the music is very loud, something you yourself grouse about, and I was dancing a bit in place. I went over to your table although you could have simply employed the social grace of approaching me yourself. We chatted briefly and yes I soon after noticed you talking up a very young looking male at the bar. In a situation like that my tendency is to give space if not alert the child welfare authorities but for the hopefully adequate venue age vetting. After that, you took the first initiative to text me on WhatsApp to begin considering a pleasant meal worked in through our hiring priorities for greater ease of conversation in spite of the precipitous onset of coronavirus rumblings. I was reluctant about your suggestion of Republica due to your own history of warnings. I suggested Bella Paulista or Spot! near Lagoa but then everything was shoved aside to plan respectively to fly home upon strong urgings from our governments. I was more curious than disappointed. Of course you can make up any crap you like about what a youngster never having interacted with me but ingratiating himself to you through idle gossip threw out there, questionably, as you obsessively whittle back his pay cheque. That I would be seen as standing out as odd by a desperately cash-seeking sex worker among a roomful of aged mostly obese unfit punters dressed like 8-year olds or with poo streaks on their towelled backsides, unlike us (me, anyway) is nothing but laughable. Perhaps the kid thought I was unconventional by virtue of being chummy with a quite beautiful young trans woman and her bashful buddy. And what roaming around, the central activity in such a venue, would be perceived as unconventional? Did he have X-ray vision piercing through the multiple levels? Was I not paying enough attention to the barely legal looking subset of his scrawny peers in trade? Who really is the loser in this story? I’ve treated unfortunate exploited kids probably much like him, often pro bono, and I can assure I’m treated with respect. How I write this is no discernible departure from how they would articulate their history. You gave it your best shot, dude, but little more than kiddie cap gun- grade, and cowardly behind the likely fabricated story of a youth proxy. Drink less, save your liver and tarnished rep. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 4 Members Posted August 4 On 8/2/2025 at 12:46 PM, floridarob said: If you learned anything, It should be to ignore trolls like riobard, I've met him...he's just as weird in person and full of himself, in case you didn't pick that up from his writing style. I asked a few of the guys in the sauna about him, they also said he's weird and don't understand him, so take that for what it's worth 🤷♂️ If the GP feels like you are a virgin, and new to the scene...some will try to get you for more money, some being the key word, so it's best to know what the "standard" pricing is and to be very clear what you expect, using Google translate if needed. If you were to have a disagreement, in a sauna, don't be shy or hesitant to ask the guy as reception for help... I've seen them amicably settle disputes easily over the years, don't get extorted or hurt feelings, it's a transaction, sex for money. “Standard” being what a skinflint bossypants going in endless circles dictates. Oh no! Might he apply psychological tariffs if contradicted?! Quote
floridarob Posted August 4 Posted August 4 I think a troll’s nerve must really have been struck....😆 I feel confident that everyone here knows which of us is the weird one..... Mavica 1 Quote
Keithambrose Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, floridarob said: I think a troll’s nerve must really have been struck....😆 I feel confident that everyone here knows which of us is the weird one..... Indeed! floridarob and Latbear4blk 2 Quote
Canadianbtmguy Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Ladies, ladies please! Life is too short--so many men so little time!--lets not waste it tearing each other apart. No doubt, there is some prose that is, um...baroque, but sometimes I enjoy it, and in any case, you are always free to skip those posts. I have found prices to really be on a tear the last year or 2, more so in SP online than in the sauna or in RIo. In July a guy who really appeared to be "my type", without the usual compromise (usually as to the face) quoted 700. I invited him over, I opened the door and my reaction was, WOW! He was 6'4" great body and beautiful face. Yet with just a regular guy personality...he didn't shirk on the kissing, or indeed the fucking (it wasnt the best fuck ever, I wouldnt be surprised if in his private life he was a bottom, but still quite a good one, he finally bred me without the haggling some do, and just very nice) Nor did he jump up to take a shower and leave afterwards. In fact, I tipped him up to 800, because he really had exceeding my (already high) expectations I contacted him again to meet the day I was leaving, he cagily asked to meet at his place rather than mine (we later laughed when I suggested it was because he didn't like my Airbnb and he admitted it was true) He had a little more trouble getting hard that day, but still, to look up at that beautiful man on top of me was really a nice experience. I teased him about how on my next trip I was going to insist he grew out his chest hair, and he seemed open to it. So yeah, I would say he was expensive...without being overpriced. Riobard, Primeone385 and Latbear4blk 2 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 5 Members Posted August 5 On 8/4/2025 at 4:10 AM, Keithambrose said: Indeed! Indeed you agree your fellow troll feels confident. As do I observe such misplaced confidence, but I would add such confidence is delusional and baseless. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 5 Members Posted August 5 2 hours ago, Canadianbtmguy said: Ladies, ladies please! Life is too short--so many men so little time!--lets not waste it tearing each other apart. No doubt, there is some prose that is, um...baroque, but sometimes I enjoy it, and in any case, you are always free to skip those posts. I have found prices to really be on a tear the last year or 2, more so in SP online than in the sauna or in RIo. In July a guy who really appeared to be "my type", without the usual compromise (usually as to the face) quoted 700. I invited him over, I opened the door and my reaction was, WOW! He was 6'4" great body and beautiful face. Yet with just a regular guy personality...he didn't shirk on the kissing, or indeed the fucking (it wasnt the best fuck ever, I wouldnt be surprised if in his private life he was a bottom, but still quite a good one, he finally bred me without the haggling some do, and just very nice) Nor did he jump up to take a shower and leave afterwards. In fact, I tipped him up to 800, because he really had exceeding my (already high) expectations I contacted him again to meet the day I was leaving, he cagily asked to meet at his place rather than mine (we later laughed when I suggested it was because he didn't like my Airbnb and he admitted it was true) He had a little more trouble getting hard that day, but still, to look up at that beautiful man on top of me was really a nice experience. I teased him about how on my next trip I was going to insist he grew out his chest hair, and he seemed open to it. So yeah, I would say he was expensive...without being overpriced. Hon, go tell it on Troll Mountain. I don’t experience trolls as opponents but as candidates for having their clocks fixed figuratively. It’s often more supportive of brain fitness than Wordle or Sudoku.😏 It’s no contest, really. I also personally met a few; as you might imagine, how do you think I rate them as persons in the context of a fuller picture? One just openly described the process of inciting a “kid” [sic] trapped in prostitution to pass judgement on my presentation strolling through a barroom. Believe me, no god’s gift. If only all here could have caught a view of the sad tableau of a punter and his young prospect struggling to engage in meaningful conversation that transcends dissing others. Trust me, you shouldn’t give a rat’s ass about some sources of impressions held about you. BRL800? I fully support your prerogative and glad you had fun. But now you’ve gone and done it innit. There are trolls here I would imagine precipitously scurrying for ways to symbolically put a bounty on you for ostensibly upsetting the local sex trade economy. I think that level of compensation for what you describe is on point. I’ve been trending 200 plus bevvy for brothel ST dalliances but I would happily pony up 800 a pop for community meets if simply to exacerbate these cheapos’ anxiety and aggravation … for even the most remote chance of putting the squeeze on a selection of control-freak chuckleheads sufficiently to price them out. But then they’d perhaps ride it out, unable to release their stranglehold on a pathetic need to steer the narrative and dictate how others should perceive those whose opposing views stir up troll rage. 🤣 Quote
Keithambrose Posted August 6 Posted August 6 15 hours ago, Riobard said: Indeed you agree your fellow troll feels confident. As do I observe such misplaced confidence, but I would add such confidence is delusional and baseless. I almost understood that post! Congratulations. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 6 Members Posted August 6 17 minutes ago, Keithambrose said: I almost understood that post! Congratulations. Fail. And who really cares what you think other than the expected presence of a tiny ineffectual troll brigade scurrying behind the board’s floorboards? As I pointed out earlier, your empty threats, strike that as you hardly hold sway, I mean your stated intentions to put me on Ignore, can only represent that you are obsessed with my content when I periodically make visits in part to assess any changes in the troll brigade dynamics. Usually true to form. Troll commentary is uniformly worthless and irrelevant, whether bitchy or laudatory. There are some trolls that I wouldn’t view as legitimately custodial in any domain. Maybe you can direct me to a topic that you ever originated that might be of interest to me so that I could try to acquire a fully rendered picture of your potential for probation from troll status. Let me guess: your next unoriginal move … “It doesn’t get any easier …” Quote
Keithambrose Posted August 7 Posted August 7 17 hours ago, Riobard said: Fail. And who really cares what you think other than the expected presence of a tiny ineffectual troll brigade scurrying behind the board’s floorboards? As I pointed out earlier, your empty threats, strike that as you hardly hold sway, I mean your stated intentions to put me on Ignore, can only represent that you are obsessed with my content when I periodically make visits in part to assess any changes in the troll brigade dynamics. Usually true to form. Troll commentary is uniformly worthless and irrelevant, whether bitchy or laudatory. There are some trolls that I wouldn’t view as legitimately custodial in any domain. Maybe you can direct me to a topic that you ever originated that might be of interest to me so that I could try to acquire a fully rendered picture of your potential for probation from troll status. Let me guess: your next unoriginal move … “It doesn’t get any easier …” Try taking your tablets. Riobard, floridarob and Latbear4blk 2 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 7 Members Posted August 7 39 minutes ago, Keithambrose said: Try taking your tablets. Just when one thinks that you couldn’t be more lame. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 7 Members Posted August 7 4 hours ago, Keithambrose said: Try taking your tablets. While on the subject, though, I understand that po’ village lads on the cusp of adulthood and trying to crowdsource saltpetre tablets for particular bug-gifting farang interlopers are crestfallen upon grasping that it’s potential for effectiveness is but a myth. Keithambrose and Mavica 1 1 Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 8 Members Posted August 8 What’s so confusing about the notion of descriptors frequently and pathetically employed on this forum and adjacent content that connote the reality that impoverished young locals forced to seek survival income have few devices to protect them from being both bugged and bummed by exploitive and financially secure old geezers. Condoms. Condoms condoms condoms. Quote
Members Riobard Posted August 8 Members Posted August 8 On 8/7/2025 at 4:24 AM, Keithambrose said: Try taking your tablets. Tone deaf unless those youngsters crossing paths with soul-crushing fleecers can comprehend and access them. Quote