War in Ukraine Developments

[Moses]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

if true, it means Russians killed them. Not sure it's right thing to brag about it if one is Russian

Well, Zelenskiy had chance to stop counter on a third month of conflict - in Istanbul. But Wests insisted to continue.

Since 2022 I write here: West pushing Ukraine into war "till last Ukrainian"; war, which Ukraine never had chance to win. But West do not care and insist on mobilization wave after wave as a condition for money supply.

[Moses]

It is obvious that a significant part of Ukrainians do not like Russia. But they hate the Zelensky regime even more, which, in order to maintain its own power with money from the West, forces Ukrainians to die.

Ukrainians are fleeing abroad, breaking through both the peaceful western border and surrendering en masse on the east. Murders of border guards on the western border and breakthroughs of groups unwilling to die for the brown regime occur almost daily.

The country, which not long ago had a population of 42 million, now has about 21-23 million. About 5 million fled to the West even before the conflict, when the EU gave Ukraine a visa-free regime. About 2 million went to Russia. After the start of the conflict, Europe accepted 8 million refugees, Russia 3 million.

Just last week, the head of the presidential administration of Ukraine and the gray cardinal of Ukraine Yermak decided to hold a meeting with students at one of the major Kyiv universities. He was asked many very unpleasant questions and booed at the end.

And it is certainly a coincidence (no), that a law is now being urgently prepared allowing men under 21 to travel abroad, since the current law prohibits travel from 16 to 60 years old.

Zelensky is trying to get rid of the electorate that hates him, since elections will have to be held, and Zelensky has no chance with such an electorate.

[floridarob]

So let me get this straight—millions defending their country, normal wartime travel rules, and a few booed speeches somehow equals a regime “forcing Ukrainians to die”? That’s some creative fiction right there.

It’s worth unpacking some of your points because there’s a lot of exaggeration and misleading framing here.

Population and refugees: Ukraine’s pre-war population was about 41–42 million. Yes, millions have fled due to the conflict, but the numbers are being presented in a misleading way. Counting internally displaced persons together with refugees and assuming a “loss” of population ignores that millions remain inside Ukraine and continue to resist. Saying the population is “now 21–23 million” is wildly inaccurate.

Western border “murders and breakthroughs”: There is no credible evidence of mass killings of border guards or daily “breakthroughs.” These claims are being used to sensationalize the situation. Border crossings are controlled, and the vast majority of refugees are moving legally.

Men under 21 traveling abroad: There is no Ukrainian law arbitrarily preventing men under 21 from leaving. There are conscription-related restrictions for men aged 18–60 due to martial law, but the context is national defense, not “eliminating an electorate.” Framing this as a purge of dissenters is a misrepresentation.

Booing of officials: Public discontent is normal in any democracy. Highlighting a single event as evidence of systemic collapse or corruption exaggerates isolated incidents.

Zelensky and Western aid: Ukraine receives international support, yes, but that does not mean the government “forces Ukrainians to die.” Ukrainians are fighting to defend their country against an unprovoked invasion.... why are Russians will to die... and paying North Koreans to as well?

[PeterRS]

4 minutes ago, Moses said:

It is obvious that a significant part of Ukrainians do not like Russia. But they hate the Zelensky regime even more, which, in order to maintain its own power with money from the West, forces Ukrainians to fight.

What a load of utter rubbish! It was Ukrainians who launched the revolution which finally got rid of the President Viktor Yanukovych in 2014 after months of protests against him.

Funny, surely, that when he first won the Presidency in 2004, he was declared the winner. But following widespread protests within the country about voter intimidation and electoral fraud, the vote was rerun and Yanukovych lost. His second election in 2010 seemed to observers more free and fair. In that election he stood for greater ties with the European Union and a non-aligned military.

But he did not fulfil these promises. His reign resulted in massive corruption, an increase in cronyism, the jailing of his opponent in that election. Although the Ukrainian parliament had approved greater union with the EU by a massive majority, he withdrew his approval. This sparked major protests against his governing and he turned the troops on the demonstrators, killing 100 of them. He then secretly fled to Russia with, as admitted by Putin, the help of the Russian President. His house in Moscow cost US$52 million.

In the meantime parliament voted 320-0 to remove him and hold new elections. His own party disowned him. An arrest warrant was put out for him and he was sentenced in absentia to 13 years in jail for treason. Pollng since then has put Yanukovych as one of the country's worst Presidents!

After he fled, his mansion was opened. For a man who had never earned more than US$2,000 per month, people were aghast at the $100,000 each of the chandeliers had cost and the extre lavishness of his "palace". Documents uncovered in the Palace showed that close to $42 million had been spent on light fittings alone.

His successor Poroshenko was considerably more popular but he failed in many of his promises. In the 2019 elections he was dogged by a major scandal involving cronies organising the sale of Russian components to Ukrainian Defence factories at vastly inflated prices. He had also been discovered in the Paradise Papers as having opened an offshore account in the British Virgin Islands.

At the election Zelensky was elected President with 73.32% of the vote - the highest ever for any Ukrainian President in history. Yanukovich had never received more than 49%. Thus @Moses continues to make a total mockery of the truth in his posts!

[Moses]

19 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Western border “murders and breakthroughs”: There is no credible evidence of mass killings of border guards or daily “breakthroughs.” These claims are being used to sensationalize the situation. Border crossings are controlled, and the vast majority of refugees are moving legally.

You have to read Ukrainian sources, for example censor.net - far right Ukrainian site... there are almost daily reports

 

8 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

At the election Zelensky was elected President with 73.32% of the vote

and now he has 4%

[Moses]

23 minutes ago, floridarob said:

So let me get this straight—millions defending their country, normal wartime travel rules, and a few booed speeches somehow equals a regime “forcing Ukrainians to die”? That’s some creative fiction right there.

"millions" are forced to "defend country" 

18 waves of mobilizations, google word "busification" , "бусификация", and watch videos and pictures from Ukraine

They hunting males on streets and forcing them to go to war:

 

[PeterRS]

9 minutes ago, Moses said:

and now he has 4%

What did I write just a fw moments ago? @Moses continues to make a total mockery of the truth.

[Moses]

3 hours ago, PeterRS said:

What did I write just a fw moments ago? @Moses continues to make a total mockery of the truth.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/zelenskyy-leads-in-first-round-vote-but-zaluzhnyi-would-win-runoff-poll-50525230.html

Even 2 months ago Zelenskiy wasn't favorite in public opinions. Now, when Ukraine lost more than 1700 sq.km additionally, when Ukraine lost 100+ villages and towns, when Zelenskiy agreed to discussion about territories in White House, Zelenskiy lost almost all support - mostly on right and nationalistic wing, and got nothing on left and center.

You are living in illusions installed into your heads by Western medias, you are reading filtered news. You are thinking, what when EU bureaucrats say about possibility to "force Russia to peace" they have power to force. Illusions.

18 waves of sanctions don't work. EU speaks how they hate Putin and Russia and at the same time buys gas, fertilizers, titanium and other goods from Russia - in total more than $30 bln in 6 months.

[Moses]

Kevin Lamarque / Reuters

 

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Alexander Drago / Reuters

 

 

[vinapu]

19 hours ago, Moses said:

 

Just last week, the head of the presidential administration of Ukraine and the gray cardinal of Ukraine Yermak decided to hold a meeting with students at one of the major Kyiv universities. He was asked many very unpleasant questions and booed at the end.

 

still students went home undisturbed, try to boo Lavrov or Shoigu on meeting  being student in Russia, I don't say Putin as he chickens out from meeting his own citizens freely.

 

From pictures you posted we can see Zelensky travels freely while Putin is prison of his own country and afraid to put his foot anywhere abroad without special guarantees he won't be arrested.

You have more freedom than your president

[PeterRS]

Poor @Moses totally fails to realise that it is far too easy to be selective when it comes to posting photographs. From the same batch recently in Washington are these. Funny isn't it how they present a totally different series of images! All smiles and laughter! Even little Marco cannot stop smiling!

All images from an AP website

[PeterRS]

19 hours ago, Moses said:

and now he has 4%

Zelensky has 4% popularity???? What planet are you living on @Moses?

The latest Forbes poll about the next election in Uraine shows that Zelensky has 44% popularity compared to his nearest challenger who has 21%.

In a survey conducted between February 25 and 27 (which did not include those in Russian occupied Ukrainian territory) showed that Zelensky had a 52% favourable opinion. In that same poll only 17% had a favourable opinion of Trump!  

4%??? Laughable!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bowmanmarsico/2025/03/03/how-popular-is-zelensky-in-ukraine-what-the-polls-show/

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

 fails to realise that it is far too easy to be selective when it comes to posting photographs.

excellent point and excellent shot Peter

[vinapu]

56 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

Zelensky has 4% popularity????

that's irrelevant, he is still in charge

[floridarob]

16 hours ago, Moses said:

Even 2 months ago Zelenskiy wasn't favorite in public opinions. Now, when Ukraine lost more than 1700 sq.km additionally, when Ukraine lost 100+ villages and towns, when Zelenskiy agreed to discussion about territories in White House, Zelenskiy lost almost all support - mostly on right and nationalistic wing, and got nothing on left and center.

You are living in illusions installed into your heads by Western medias, you are reading filtered news. You are thinking, what when EU bureaucrats say about possibility to "force Russia to peace" they have power to force. Illusions.

18 waves of sanctions don't work. EU speaks how they hate Putin and Russia and at the same time buys gas, fertilizers, titanium and other goods from Russia - in total more than $30 bln in 6 months.

You keep repeating the same Kremlin talking points dressed up as “reality.”  Maybe you could see Olddaddy's shrink😏

Zelensky’s support: Ukraine is a democracy — his approval rating goes up and down depending on the situation. But unlike Russia, if Ukrainians lose faith, they can actually vote him out. In Russia, Putin just jails or kills his opponents, kind of the direction the USA seems to be going 🥺

“Lost territories” spin: Ukraine has regained over half the land Russia initially stole. Yes, it’s tough, yes, it’s slow — but Russia has failed in its original goal to conquer Kyiv and install a puppet government. That’s not exactly a “win” for Moscow.... war is not as easy as everyone thinks, Hollywood makes it look easy though 🤷‍♂️

Sanctions: The sanctions are working — Russia’s economy is now a war economy, factories making Ladas with no airbags, airlines stripping old planes for parts, ruble in freefall, hundreds of billions frozen abroad. Sure, some trade leaks through, but Europe cut its Russian gas dependence by over 80% since 2021.....no?

Illusions: The real illusion is thinking Russia is winning. The price Russia pays in lives, isolation, and a crippled future economy is far higher than anything you admit..... or are allowed to admit ☠️

[Moses]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

factories making Ladas with no airbags

It was only 2 months in 2022, because they had to change logistic to new suppliers... 

All you other "news" are also new as mammoth..

Current situation - Russia may wait peace - by peace agreement or by force it will get all it need. Ukraine is on knees and no money may substitute lack of man power. 

EU can't supply Ukraine with man power. So it will be war till last Ukrainian or war till peace agreement. Second option is better for Ukraine, but EU insists on continuation of the war till mythical Ukrainian win. Real reason - profit from weapon trade and dream about arrested $300 billions of Russian reserves.

EU bureaucracy dreams to accumulate power in own hands by collecting it from EU states. They need Russia as a reason for such theft of sovereignty.

[floridarob]

1 minute ago, Moses said:

It was only 2 months in 2022, because they had to change logistic to new suppliers... 

All you other "news" are also new as mammoth..

Current situation - Russia may wait peace - by peace agreement or by force it will get all it need. Ukraine is on knees and no money may substitute lack of man power. 

EU can't supply Ukraine with man power. So it will be war till last Ukrainian or war till peace agreement. Second option is better for Ukraine, but EU insists on continuation of the war till mythical Ukrainian win. Real reason - profit from weapon trade and dream about arrested $300 billions of Russian reserves.

EU bureaucracy dreams to accumulate power in own hands by collecting it from EU states. They need Russia as a reason for such theft of sovereignty.

What's the defense of the aggression and invading/starting the war?

[Moses]

11 minutes ago, floridarob said:

What's the defense of the aggression and invading/starting the war?

The war began with the genocide of Russians by the new Ukrainian regime that came to power as a result of a coup. The war began with the bombing of Luhansk on June 2, 2014.

 

[floridarob]

Calling it a ‘genocide of Russians’ is simply false.

The 2014 Euromaidan protests ousted Yanukovych—that’s political upheaval, not mass extermination. Crimea was annexed illegally by Russia, and the Donetsk/Luhansk conflict was fueled by Russian-backed separatists.

Independent sources like the OSCE and the UN have found no systematic killing of ethnic Russians. Civilian deaths were from the fighting itself.

International law recognizes Russia’s 2022 invasion as an act of aggression 🤷‍♂️

 this narrative is used to justify war, not describe reality.... but hey, propaganda along with pride of country, will make you believe a different story/narrative, the US is a prefect example how Trump, of all people, has so many dummies lined up behind him dismantling its pillars from within, seems like something out of a Hollywood movie, not reality 😔  

[Moses]

8 hours ago, floridarob said:

The 2014 Euromaidan protests ousted Yanukovych—that’s political upheaval, not mass extermination. Crimea was annexed illegally by Russia, and the Donetsk/Luhansk conflict was fueled by Russian-backed separatists.

Independent sources like the OSCE and the UN have found no systematic killing of ethnic Russians. Civilian deaths were from the fighting itself.

16000 killed, yeah... "no systematic"... 2 millions refugees from the east of Ukraine ran to Russia...

8 years Russia did everything by diplomatic way for to stop this: there were "Minsk-1" agreement, "Minsk-2" agreement. Both broken by Ukraine.

There were: ban of Russian language on TV, in the films, in newspapers and medias, seizure Russian books, from Pushkin to Dovlatov. There was closure of Russian schools. There was ban of Russian Orthodox Church.

Naming streets and avenues by name of Nazi criminals. Nazi marshes by Kiyev streets.

Last drop - including in Ukrainian constitution point about NATO membership .

And everything above mentioned was before February 2022. 

What they wanted - that they got.

[Moses]

Marching Nazi. On the banner in Ukrainian language is written "14th grenadier division Galicia".  

14th division "Galicia" was Nazi SS division.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)

 

 

 

[Moses]

This is billboard on the West of Ukraine, 2021. Agitation to subscribe to army.

In Ukrainian language there is written "Yesterday - they. Today you. 80 years since the Battle of Brody"

[Tomtravel]

Interesting that nazis can march in St Petersburg Russia. Far right extremist movements of Europe are darlings of Putin, but Ukraine is somewhat on the way…. Putin was even in the wedding of Karin Kneissl, Austrian Foreign Minister appointed by a party which indeed was established by nazis.

So Putin actually likes nazis. 

Moses you really think that people are clueless? Thousands of westerners were years involved in Russia and Ukraine in various roles so we know well what is what. You are not that special.

 

[Moses]

1 hour ago, Tomtravel said:

So Putin actually likes nazis. 

Bullshit.

It is march in Sankt Petersburg ultra-right organization National Socialist Initiative in 2014.

This organization was created around 2011 when jailed 6 years for creation neo-nazi organization Dmitry Bobrov got freedom from prison and again created neo-nazi organization.

Just in a week after that "show" again was opened crime case and on September 16, 2015, the St. Petersburg City Court recognized the organization “People’s (National) Social (Socialist) Initiative” as extremist and banned it.

As everywhere in world, from time to time far right movements appear here as well. The main difference with Ukraine and Russia is what here, in Russia such movements are banned very fast, while in Ukraine state supports them. 

For example Sege Korotkih. Formerly leader of Russian nationalist organization National Socialist Society. Organization was banned in 2010, and in 2014 Korotkih ran from Russia to... Ukraine.

In Ukraine he joined to ultra-right wing and then was one of creators Nazi battalion Azov. And got Ukrainian citizenship from first "after coup" president Poroshenko.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korotkikh

Ukraine is shelter for Nazi.

 

 

[Tomtravel]

This nazi thing is a big nonsense but only thing which gets Russians excited because of Soviet history. Its a poor excuse to kill democracy - because if Ukraine will flourish, Russia will look even more a s..hole. Then people will ask: why? Thats why Putin has introduced Norh-Korean lifestyle and the fruits are visible also in this forum.