Wake Tuesday morning, somewhat strange to have had the bed to myself.
Usual morning stuff, usual breakfast at the hotel buffet. Messages from Van and Uyn...Uyn's arrived at home, Van when he was leaving from Bangkok. Also a surprise message from Yoyo responding to my asking a few days back if he was in town. Happy New Year wish...he's in Vietnam (surprise).
After catching up on the news from home and tending to email, I go for a walk...decide to go to Siam Paragon, change my mind, head to MBK which I enjoy for its mix of seemingly everything. Pick up some gifts from two shops. In both cases, I was the first customer so the baht I tendered in payment is waved over all of the store's goods as a blessing.
Back to the hotel, read, think about packing up for the trip to Pattaya tomorrow. Just think...don't really move from the sofa for a while...honestly, I'm sorting through feelings and considering what it will be like to be a butterfly for the coming week.
PM to DivineMadman for a meet-up tonight. Contacting the maestro of massage, sets my thoughts to massage. Start out for Arena, never get there as I pass Prime and go in and order up a two hour Thai beating. It was grand! Sort of "danced" out with lots of stress left in the massage room.
It's about 6pm, wander around Silom, thinking about dinner. Aim for Madrid...find it, two other customers inside and two outside the restaurant. Four ladies of a certain age tending to customers, bar, cash register, kitchen. I have the Madrid's version of spaghetti carbonara. Not bad, not fantastic...good comfort food. Try to imagine what the restaurant, which is a bit of a hole in the wall den, was like during the Vietnam war era when the Madrid was a CIA meeting spot.
Wander through the night market, which is still being set up. Enjoy watching the energy expended in setting things up for selling and anticipating the effort to take it all down in a few hours.
Back to The Raya, use the time before meeting DivineMadman to reorganize my suitcase and carryall. Head out to Hot Male Bar where we both arrive at almost the same moment. Catch up on what we've done since Jupiter and what "our boys" might be doing/are doing He is getting ready for a trip to Malaysia and co-ordinating his friend and his friend's offs.
Usual back and forth with the bar boys, Michael (Noom) is very flirty. He is the one whom two nights back had been on the periphery when I had a street food chicken meal with Van and Uyn before we went to Jupiter. He tells how he is going to be fined for being late unless he gets an off (an aspect of the business, I'd never considered).
DivineMadman observes that the lighting in the clubs and even on soi Twilight is such that it puts everyone in a good light. When one moves away from the light, looks can change or shift. We agree it also works as to how the boys see us. I buy drinks for Noom, La, and one of the other bar boys.
After some more flirting and remembering I'm a certified butterfly, I interact with Noom. Check out and learn that he is almost as tall as DivineMadman (who is encouraging me to off Noom). While we talk, another bar customer begins chatting up Noom. I'd been planning on going to FreshBoys or back to Classic to see if my dancer flame was working. A bit more back and forth from Noom...he's from Issan, does everything, etc. Up to You on a fee for his time. What the hell, why not. Say good night to Divine Madman who smiles. Noom has an off, won't be fined, and I have Noom.
For the first time at The Raya we stop at the desk and he gives up his identification. I don't think the hotel cares, they have a policy in the lobby that there is a 1000 THB charge for guests not registered or known by the desk, but I've noticed foot traffic that goes directly to the rooms.
Noom once in the light of the room gives some proof to what DivineMadman was speculating about lighting. His use of light makeup is noticeable and his tattoos a bit more prominent. He showers and then I shower...he didn't invite me and I didn't push into the shower or suggest. He is on the bed as I towel off. Long lanky body, average endowment, good sex but fairly routine. At the end he chuckwows for a good spray across his chest. Wipe off, no shower or request for one. Tells me he's going home rather than go back to the bar. Butterfly tally - meh.
I take another shower and go to bed.
On to Pattaya, a frustrating day
Up, the morning routine out of the way, finish packing. Check out of the hotel. Driver arrives early. I'm using PT Taxi which was mentioned by Numazu in one of this reports. 1100 THB to Jomtien, including the tolls. A late model Toyota. Young and fit driver. He parked in The Raya's lot (who knew they had a parking lot?). It takes almost three and a half hours to get to the Poseidon Hotel. Road work and more road work. We get off in Pattaya and there is more road work. I've arranged with Moses for a guid eo give me a half day orientation and tour with the caveat that I'd contact him when I was at the hotel.
I'd selected the Poseidon based on Ryanasia's report (not that I hoped to duplicate his use of the facilities ). Also, Numzau, the master of detail, wrote of the dinner he had there. It is also close to Dongtan beach and sits at the entrance/exit of Jomtien Complex and its bars and boys.
Kaye, the desk and all purpose major domo, tells me he'd like to upgrade me. But asks if I'm ok on a room on the fourth floor in the section that doesn't have an elevator, he hastens to tell me that he will get my luggage to the room. I agree and must admit that, while the steps winded me, the room was huge with a large sleeping area, a balcony with comfortable chairs, a desk, a sitting area, a jacuzzi tub that could fit five, a separate shower, etc. Television, dvd player...very nice. Kaye gets the suitcase up, then brings me flowers, and a drink. Then he tells me the internet and the phone are out of service due to a construction crew somewhere cutting lines.
I can't contact the guide and am a bit irritable from the ride and climbing the stairs (by day two, I just "race" up them without it being a problem. I go for a walk, down to the beach, scope out the massage parlors, check out Venue's show time, and notice the bars being readied for the evening. @Home, a bar I enjoyed in September is setting up for a major party as its front is completely covered in blue and white balloons. Back at the hotel, still no internet or phone I tell Kaye that I was supposed to contact my guide. Kaye tells me give him the number and he calls on his mobile. Guide and I exchange courtesy apologies, it wasn't his fault that we missed connections, but he is Thai and wants to apologize for my not being able to do what I'd planned. We agree to meet at the hotel at 10 the next morning. I tell him the tour will be "Up to Him".
Decide to have dinner at the hotel. The menu is mainly northern European (German and Dutch) with some standard classics and a few Thai dishes. Incredible and reasonable priced wine list. I order pate, schnitzel, and a red wine. The portions are significant. At some point, one of the owners stops by to ask how I am enjoying the food, I praise it but mention the portion size. he asks "have you met our chef?"...he tells me I'll understand when I do. Later the chef will circulate among the guess. The chef is of a size proportionate to the portions of the plates. Not only is the food truly fine but the presentation of it on the plates is a small work of art.
I climb back to my 4th floor eyrie and hear my iPad blinking in messages, the internet is back. I catch up on the world and email. The NY Times arrives and absorbs me for enough time to move the clock to a time to check out the bars. It's Wednesday night and there is a good crowd and lots of boys, I consider seeing the show at Venue but as usual the advertised time is only approximate, so I go back along the bars. On my initial walk to Venue, I'd noticed a guy at 4T, we'd smiled, he reminded me of someone in the Bay Area who I'd been interested in once upon a time. Anyway on my reverse trip, I asked to join him. He's a bit older than the boy "boys". We talked for quite a while over drinks, a bargain is struck. Cee, the name he gave me, and I head out for the hotel. As with The Raya and soi Twilight, the travel distance from 4T to the fourth floor of the Poseidon is short. Showers together, he has a compact body. We have a good time. He's in his early thirties and is not in a rush. His experience shows and there is no rush. When we are finished, he stays an we talk for a while. He invites me to a party as his club the next night. We part. A bit later, I walk down to and along the beach. I've missed the show at Venue. I'll survive not seeing it. Time to sleep.
Ggobkk. I enjoy reading your stories and wanna ask a small favor. You see, I'm from Vietnam and am visiting BKK. Your telling about Van and his friend, Uyn, really piques my interest. Is there any way I can get in touch with them (FB or Hornest would be great as I don't use LINE) since I'd like to "sample" some Vietnamese in Thailand (kinda a home away from home Your help is greatly appreciated and I'd like to return the favor when you have a chance to visit Hanoi.
PS. Is Uyn still working at Screw Boys rite now (and his number, please)? I'm not sure where Van's working.
Hanguy
Thanks for enjoying my stories. Unfortunately, I don't pass along contact information the guys have given me unless they say it's o.k. That noted, I can report Uyn was scheduled to be back from Tet festivities and back at Screwboys. #40 was his when I was there. Van has moved backed to Thailand for a job.
The Forum expert on Vietnam boys is PaulSF. He is in Bangkok now and should be there for the next couple of months. You might PM him for more current information and a possible meet up.
I don't mind if boys are selective, in fact I feel better if boy have a say to which customer he will go with.
This way if he goes with me I know it is on his will, not being forced by mamasan or owner. Likely not much fun with boy dragged by me by force against his better judgement even if only thing he will see in me is tip coming at end of session.
Did not have such ' forced ' case but on few occasions boy hired for long time invented some story to cut it to short time , I'd prefer if he was up front rather than lying just to get an order and ' than we will see '.
The same goes with tip - it's much better if disagreement is clarified before an off instead of having a scene in the room after the deed with whole floor listening what is going on behind our door.
But I wholeheartedly agree with you and abang - know your limits and stick to them. If doesn't work there are other boys. Even after soi Twilight closes ScrewBoys is still open another hour, BBB In has somebody available round clock , not to mention GR etc.
Personally my monetary limit is 3000, would not pay more and never did. And this is for long time.Long time for me is when boy is leaving room in the morning with me, he is invited for breakfast and is up to him if he takes an invitation or not.
Non-monetary limit is when he asks for more money / usually for taxi / , never gets it from me and never will be offed again even if is handsome like David and honey sweet.
This is why I parted my ways with certain boy from Aqua quite a few years ago, only boy I ever abandoned my butterfly mode for.
To be fair to boys I need to say it hapend to me only three times over 9 trips so I usually defend boys if somebody accuses them for being greedy but as we said , limit is limit .
I don't blame them for trying to be more extractive, after all most of their clients are one time affair so they are trying their luck but also they have to live with consequences
Alexx is correct about you not losing a face, you may feel pissed off by Scorpion boys but it is not the same
Christian, as a Vietnamese native, I'm sure that we don't have "boy" as a first name Anyway, I'll be in Bangkok next Saturday (26 Jul). You wanna meet up at Scorpion and check out those Vietnamese boys together? I can translate for you and get to the bottom of the problem of why you had problems offing any of them.
Retrospection: A few days ago, I was walking along Silom and spotted two cute boys. I stopped at a street stall next to them, had a look and one of them chatted me up. He is Vietnamese (so is the other) and he works in Classic and offered me his friend. I like this attidude and this gives big brownie points in my book. But both are too pale in complexion for my taste.
Yesterday, 20.10.2013 I had two hours in Silom/Surawong to pass before going to DJ station, so I called a Thai friend M who lives in Sathorn and he joined me for a drink in Scorpion (where I spotted a cute boy recently; the subject of my “non-offable boy” topic is still there, but I have lost interest). This night there are plenty of boys (more than ten; lowest number I saw during the last months were three staff and zero customer).
The boy I am looking for is sitting with a customer, so we sit down and I wait for an occasion to talk to him. He seems to be popular: one customer who had five boys on his table leaves, and another comes (and again has five boys around him). There is another boy who is not less attractive. My friend M calls him over to sit next to me. (I am introvert, M is extrovert. While I sit and wait for something to happen, M just says what he wants, in this case what I indicate.)
I invite him for a drink. Name Boy. Reasonable English, he claims to be Thai from Chiang Mai. But he cannot write his name in Thai! And his Thai sounds a bit strange. And he doesn’t have an ID. M chats with him in Thai and clues me in that he is from Vietnam. Still, when I ask him later where his family lives, he claims they are in Chiang Mai. He used to work in Bonny Massage for a year, but I don’t remember seeing him there. M asks him in Thai about prices and sexual activities. I overhear the conversation: 1000 Baht cannot, no fucking, no kissing, he is not gay.
All three Vietnamese I remember I had contact with during the last two years had the name Boy. Is this just a generic name, like Joe or Jim for black slaves back in the 19th century in the United States?
Furthermore, it seems all Vietnamese flock to Scorpion (so they can chat with their friends in Vietnamese).
The boy who chatted me up some days ago works in Scorpion as well (not in Classic?) and he is drunk. He asks me for a drink, I deny. He then goes on to ask me where I come from and proclaims “German people not good”. He repeats this several times in the course of the evening. Then he lies down on a bench and falls asleep. Later several other boys and staff wake him up (including grabbing his head by the hair and mild banging on the bench) and send him home. One of the dangers or working in a bar: getting drunk on drinks from invitations from customers.
Then M calls over the other cute boy on my behalf. Vietnamese, name Lek (the first Vietnamese who is not Boy), not gay. In a bar in Pattaya, I would off both of them instantly (separately), but here with unclear status (offable or not? – I clearly prefer “Which boy do you want?”) and at Bangkok prices and long distance to my place (20km) and possible communication problems (they cannot read and write Thai), I will rather pass. I tip the boy who sat with me 100 Baht and we leave around midnight.
Seems their strategy works. I clearly prefer gogo bars and very rarely go to beer bars. But I have been to Scorpion over five times since the “non-offable boy” post, often with friends, without offing a single boy there.
(Side note: gay or straight is not important to me. I had better sex with straight boys than with gay boys.
Why would Boy lie to me about his origin? Especially as it's easy to detect: he cannot read or write Thai and has no ID. And why would my friend M lie to my on our way back? He claimed that the boys can go with me for 1000 Baht for short time, but I clearly heard Boy rejecting M's offer for 1000 Baht.
How I will appreciate next time in a gogo bar when Mamasan asks me "Do you want boy?"!)
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