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It was a very short trip. I am back home & now trying to recollect my encounters ...

Day 2 Lumpini Park Stroll I have read about Vinapu’s routine morning stroll at Lumpini park & was intrigued by it. Hence, I decided that I must also do the same. However, part of the morning was spent sorting out the issue of whether I am agreeable to be shifted to another hotel. By 9:15am, I told the hotel lady boss that I am not agreeable & will come back later before noon to sort it out. I took a tutuk (60 bht) to Lumpini park. My intention is actually to get a glimpse, maybe take photos & videos of the Tawan boys lifting weights at the outdoor gym in the park. On entering the park, I turned right and walked a short distance before I spotted the gym. There are a few people doing exercises but I think none of them are from Tawan. I walked a bit & decided to leave cos it was getting quite hot with the sunlight. On my way out, I spotted a Tawan boy with a big size lady walking towards the gym. Although, he was wearing a face mask, I could recognize him immediately. He is one of the shorter boy who also perform in the big cock & JO show. One of the youtube video titled “Bangkok Lumpini park” by Dirk Claus has him in it, albeit now he has body tattoo covering the whole of his back body. I left the park & try to find the Foodland PatPong place. I visualized that Foodland PatPong would be a big open air foodcourt with lots of food stalls. I was surprised when Google map leads me to the supermarket below. So, not sure if I have been led to the correct location. (Note : I noticed that Google map is accurate in showing the current GPS location & the destination path; but if I use it’s walking turn by turn feature, the current GPS location will be messed up). Authentic Thai Massage As the plan later in the afternoon was to meet up with DivineMadman at 5.30pm & visit the Prince spa together, I decided to go for a proper thai massage (the Prime Massage; recommended by DivineMadman) with no hanky-panky in the interim. Also, I felt that one gay massage with HE per day is enough for me. Two would be tiring, costly and might not be enjoyable. The Prime Massage is just situated at the end of the Tawan Bar street. I went there at 12 noon, planning to have a 2 hr massage by an experienced masseur. The beared guy at the counter speaks very little English & the young apprentice girl could hardly mutter an English word. After I have picked a masseur named “Don” via an iPad, they told me the masseur not available and said something about after 4pm. I thought the masseur schedule was fully booked for the day & I thought the body massage only start at 4pm. Hence I made advance booking for 4pm for the next day. Later I figured out that they have 2 shifts (12 noon - 8pm; 4pm to 12 midnight). Don is in the 2nd shift for that week and they accept walk-in customer without booking before 4pm & booking is only allowed & is required for time slot after 4pm. I could actually opt for another masseur and have my 2 hr massage at 12 noon. The Green Massage I went for lunch. Then I went to try another authentic thai massage place called the Green Massage at 2:30pm. It is just a few footsteps from my hotel. Took a 2hr massage (30mins scrub + 1.5hr oil) for 800bht (min tip 100bht). It was medium - strong & relaxing massage (rate : 7.5/10). Done on a massage table (with face hole), the masseur was fully clothed in their bright orange uniform & black long pants. I was surprised nearing the end of the massage when the masseur hinted that HE is available for tips at i.e. 500bht for HJ & 1000bht for naked ... etc. With only 10mins left, I declined the offer. Finished the massage, was offered a cup of warm lemongrass tea and a hot towel. Tip the masseur 300bht. Based on my understanding, the masseur will get 280 bht from the 800bht fee. The Prince At 5.30pm, DivineMadman & I started to travel by foot from Silom Complex toward the Prince Spa. It’s about 15 - 20mins walk via some of back alleys, cross an overhead bridge etc. There were about 25 - 30 boys when we arrived. All of them were wearing jeans & showing their upper body. They promptly formed two rows with the boys in the back row standing on a raised platform for easier viewing. As usual, they smiled eagerly at us, flexing some muscles & so on. Very good selection of 2x yo athletic, lean-fit or muscle boys. It was hard to choose & DivineMadman later told me that the mamasan was not particularly helpful. The mamasan wasn’t able to give some brief intro on which boy does what best, top/bottom, gay/str8 … As usual, I asked which boy can deliver good & strong massages. The mamasan didn’t directly answer my answer. He just said that he will instruct the boy to do strong massages after I have made my selection. I chose a short, young, fair-skin muscled boy with a nice innocent smile for a 1hr massage (900bht; min tip 1000). I was then told that the boy is gay & can do everything i.e. versatile. His name is Luke, a 26 yo boy from Changmai. He started the massage with strong finger pressure which I like. But within 5 mins into the massage, it turned into a medium - soft massage. It then dawned on me that maybe the reason why the mamasan couldn’t point out who can do strong massage is ços none of them were sufficiently trained to do it. They might know the strokes but strong finger pressure usually comes from years of practice or training. My focus should be on the areas that they can excel in. The afters was done in a quiet fashion with minimum talking (as the boy can only communicate in very basic English). It was satisfactory as it was a new experience for me (rate: Massage (5/10), Afters (7/10)). Tip him 1500bht. The boy told me that on average he can get 3 - 5 clients per week … that would be quite boring being inside the glass room the whole day waiting for customer to pick them. As I sat at the lounge area waiting for DivineMadman to complete his 1.5hr session, I was able to watch more clearly at the boys behavior, body & looks while other clients were making their selections. I noticed that even those supposedly popular ones might not get picked e.g. the handsome pornstar with a dark moustache didn’t get picked by us or 4 other clients that walked in after us. After the massage, we again travel by foot to the silom area. Had dinner & lengthy chat at the Telephone bar before DivineMadman head home while I went back to hotel to freshen up before heading to the Tawan Bar at 10pm. Tawan Bar At 10pm, I paid the entry fee 400bht before being allowed to enter the Tawan Bar. It was a Saturday night & nearly half-full. I was led to sit at the wall seats directly in front of the stage, sat beside a middle-age local gay Thai guy. We chatted and he is mainly attracted to beautiful handsome guys. He pointed to one of the younger Tawan boy (not as muscular as the rest) and said that the boy is really handsome. The boy was offed by a young hongkonger minutes later. But I dun think the boy is handsome… haha… not my cup of tea. At any one time, before the show starts, about 4 to 5 Tawan boys will be standing on the stage posing, flexing, winking at the clients. They will stand for about 10mins before another batch of boys replace them. All the boys wore posing briefs (leather, see-through, mesh, jockstrap etc) that leave very little to the imagination. It was the most difficult 45mins that I had to wait for the show to start. There was nothing to do but to stare at the boys. When they caught me staring at them, some will immediately draw my attention to their package by re-positioning it, some would lower their posing briefs to reveal a little, while others continue to flex or remain as cool as possible ços they like the muscle worship/ attention they were getting. By 10:45pm, the bar was already filled with clients. It was a full house and yet they still waited another 10mins before they start the show. In the midst of the show, I can still see people being ushered in, as more chairs are being placed on the walkway. I noticed that some boys would only do the routine posing with no nudity. There are only a handful of boys who can actually act or willing to perform the various segments of the show e.g the big cock show (4 - 5 boys), fuck show (2 boys) & the JO show (3 boys). For the fuck show, I noticed the bottom being a regular size guy (possibly someone they dragged over from the Sun Massage to perform the act). As they were doing the act, they went around collecting tips (though not many gave). For me, the Tawan show highlight was the JO finale. I finally had the chance to see a bodybuilder JO show that I always wanted. Unlike HotMale JO show, Tawan’s stage lights were not dimmed at all. We can see them clearly where they were standing on stage & jerking off, while someone went around collecting tips. When the tips passed a certain figure, a boy (masked) would walk forward to the stage centre & shoot his load as far as possible to make an impressive cumshots. I contributed 100bht for the 1st round. The 2nd boy (the boy I spotted in Lumpini park) in line cum twice within minutes, shooting off the stage & onto the audience floor. Likewise, the 3rd boy also managed a very nice cumshot. The show ended at around 12:15am. As I started to leave, I spotted the Tawan musclegod Panupong Prateep (nicknamed Lun) just arrived for the 2nd show of the night. Is he the superstar of Tawan that people are talking about? Who is "Merkhin" ... ? http://www.queerclick.com/asians/2014/03/thai_bodybuilder_panupong_prat.php

Background In the past, the few trips I have had to Bangkok was with a friend, a str8 friend. At that time, I have practically no idea of what Thailand is famous for (its massages & sex-related industry) ‘cos we usually shop, eat, drink & occasionally enjoy Thai foot massages. Introduction This was my first solo trip to Bangkok. After I bought the air ticket & book the hotel, I started to panic. Although I knew I wanted to visit gay massage venues & gogo bars, I am at a loss of how to go about doing it. There are tons of information on the web and I try my best to do my research & made a summary. Fortunately, DivineMadman came to my rescue. I was pleasantly surprised when he offered to meet up with me & visit selected massage venues & gogo bars. I am so thankful that I dun have to wander around like a lost puppy (or a madman … if u will) trying to find the massage venues, select a suitable boy for massage, know the proper gogo bar “etiquette” etc. He was kind enough to accompany me for 2 days & I felt so much more confident about venturing out alone on the 3rd & 4th day. His Google location map titled ““Bangkok Massage Venues” came in very handy. Day 1 Hotel Debacle Arrived at Glitz Hotel at 1.30pm for 2 nights superior room. It is situated along the main road, next to the bar that I fancy a lot i.e. Tawan Bar. It is a very small hotel, with 14 rooms in total (room type : standard, superior, deluxe; in simpler terms : small, medium or large room), has 4 floors with no elevator. Had an issue with this hotel ‘cos I was told that I could only stay for 1 night & the hotel was fully booked for the 2nd night, & due to double booking I had to shift to another “better” hotel (they first suggested Om Yim and on refusal, they suggested Bed by City Surawong Hotel the next day). The lady boss accompanied me to the “better” hotel in the 2nd day morning, view the room & pleaded many times but I have to say no. Finally, in a soft tone, I told them that if I am forced to move to a bad location, my review for this hotel will not be good. They then left me alone to continue my itinenary & finalize it at noon … give me the option of shifting to a standard but smaller room & I accepted it. The bed at the standard room makes a squeaking sound each time I turn my body, otherwise it is fine. In hindsight, had they been more polite & better at communicating their problem, I would have obliged. When I first check-in & heard that I had to move to another hotel, I was puzzled and trying to find out exactly how this happened. One of their staff said something to me “... You dun understand English is it?” (I think he is asking if I understand the meaning of double booking) and I am taken aback. When I try to explain it is not logical that my Agoda booking for 2 nights was a month ago & during my booking, the web info shows that there are at least 2 or 3 more rooms left. I asked if they understand what I am trying to say. Another staff replied “I understand English. Are you trying to say I am stupid?”... Bad choice of words & communication ... I might be wrong but I suspect that I am being singled out to force to accept the inconvenience ‘cos I dun look demanding. But to be fair, on the 1st night, they did upgrade me to the deluxe / large size room. So downgrading to a smaller room on the 2nd night even things out. My FB friend/buddy commented on the deluxe room photos I posted & said that the room looked rundown (actually not really true, though the room is not at its pristine condition, I am OK with it) … haha … that’s ‘cos he usually stay at Princess Pathumwan Hotel. But since there is no one to split the hotel expenses with me, I have to opt for a cheaper hotel & also at a more convenient location. Arena Spa Went there at 3:00pm. Arena is located in Silom Plaza (even local Thai may not know where it is) not Silom Complex. But it is just a short walk from Chong Nonsi BTS. The location map found in Arena’s FB site was misleading. The map found in this forum is accurate:- http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/8657-arena-spa-and-massge-in-gay-bangkok/ The current lounge area is half as big as the old Arena. About 25 - 30 topless guys, age ranging from 2x to 3x yo, crammed in front of me, putting on broad smiles, flexing their muscles, some even gave me the come hither look. I was told there will be more boys (50?) later at around 6pm. I wonder where are they going to stand if there are that many… possibly within arm’s reach . I asked the person serving me who has more years of experience and he just say “all very good” … a non-reply ... With so many pairs of eyes staring at me, I felt uneasy and had to quickly pick one that smile at me. I picked a guy called “Mac” 26yo, masculine, who smile at me with the broadest smile (possibly a little too broad), has a sun-tanned lean muscular body, speak conversational English, for 1.5hr (790 bht; min. tip 1000bht) oil massage. Mac was from Uniman. Told me that he is divorced with 2 children and that now he like guys … I think he should be about 30yo & str8. Though I requested a strong massage, he delivered a medium strength massage with excessive oil & with limited strokes. I think his focus was on the afters. Suffice to say, he was quite verbal during the afters (rate 8/10) & definitely has the stamina for long session. Due to my limited techniques, I didn’t manage to make him cum. Anyway, customer cums first and that is the most important rule. Overall, I am sufficiently satisfied (rate 7/10) though I have to deduct points for the massage part (5/10). Tip 1,200, asked for 1,500, finally settled at 1,300. Because of his request, it makes me wonder if I had under tipped & question the real definition of min. tip for Arena Spa. GoGo Bars - X-Size & HotMale Meet up with DivineMadman at Maxis bar for a drink (79bht for beer) at 7pm. We had a good chat as he gave me a brief lecture of the GoGo bars in this Soi. While chatting, we also did not forget to keep a watchful eye at the boys from Bangkok Massage, Bonny Massage & those who is walking into this lane. It seems Bangkok & Bonny has the same “uniform” for the boys i.e. a low-cut singlet that accentuate their pecs & a skimpy tight shorts that draws attention to their bubble butt. Shouldn’t they try to distinguish themselves by wearing something different? The gogo bar opposite of Maxis should actually do something about their exterior appearances. From the outside when I walked past or looked in, I thought it is a kitchen. They should have decorated their walls something similar to Fresh Boys or at least put an obvious signboard that says the name of the bar. It just look uninteresting to me. We visited X-Size (drinks 360bht) & HotMale (380). Drink fees were being paid upon leaving. It seems the client has the option of coming into the bars, look at the boy selection for a brief moment before deciding whether to stay & order a drink. There is no such option for Tawan bar whereby you can sneak a quick peek at their boys without paying the entry fee. I must say that X-Size consists of mostly twinkish, barely-legal, fresh from the village kind of boys who doesn’t know what to do on stage & just stand motionless & stare at you. There were like only 2 other customers when we entered at around 9:15pm. Immediately, we were surrounded by 2 mamasans. DivineMadman, being the experienced one, draw their attention by flirting with them in Thai & in English, bought them drinks, and tip them. It was less awkward for me as I dunno how to handle the situation. But we did not wait for X-Size show to start before we bar hop to HotMale. Before going up to the 2nd floor to HotMale, DivineMadman spotted Paulsf at the drink bar below and exchanged pleasantries. Apparently, Paulsf is a big supporter of HotMale & he is literally a resident at HotMale bar. The bar was about half-full. We both agree that the setup / boy-on-stage arrangement is much better in HotMale. In HotMale, before the show starts, coyote dancers are stationed at the 4 corners of the stage, constantly doing simple body movements & dances in a sexy fashion while the boys stand in the middle, albeit more body movement & with more facial expression as compared to the X-Size boys. I think one of the dancers is quite good looking with a toned body as compared to their boy selection. If asked to pick, I will choose one of the mamasan’s assistant who is dressed in blue tight shirt & who is more masculine & muscled. I like the show and didn’t expect it to last so long with so many segments. Initially, I thought the big cock show was with fake dicks … ‘cos they all looked so big & a few of the boys seemed to have dicks that come from the same mould. I wonder if DivineMadman would agree if I have sufficient grounds to inspect the boys’ dick based on my suspicion that they were wearing fake dicks . The 2nd last performance was a acrobatic fuck show; the bottom was dressed like a ladyboy & acted very fem-ly. Fuck show is back for now & it seems to be a big deal, but I am not really a fan of it. The last performance had a solo guy sitting on a chair with the lights dimmed. I was wondering what was happening. I didn’t realized that the guy was masturbating. And when he is ready to shoot, the room brighten, spot lights on the guy at the stage centre and I saw cum spurting out (hence confirmed it is not a fake dick). I was wondering why they didn’t bother to collect tips before the guy cums. No tips for the poor guy who cum. With the exception of paulsf, no one seems to give tips to anyone, … possibly, like me, like to remain inconspicuous, doesn’t like to walk up in front of the boys and pass them the 100bht. I am also not used to waving the dollar note at them. We left after the JO show at 11:30pm. As I was feeling rather tired, I called it a night. Whereas, DivineMadman went for a late night session at Bangkok Massage.

I believe the current rates are:- Drinks : 400bht Bar Fine : 500bht Off fee : approx 2,000bht (short time), approx. 3,000bht (long time)

Since no photo taking is allowed in the bar, only those who offed them might actually have taken photos of the boys for remembrance.

I learnt the next day from #14 that #15 went back to Laos and that he himself sometimes go out drinking the whole night and spend the next day sleeping it off ( and not that he do part-time in another bar. )

I went to Tawan bar last night (Saturday). From their announcement, in 4 languages (Eng, CHN, Thai, Jap), they will have 2 shows (10:45 n 12:15) per night for Friday n Saturday. They will also hold their annual musclemen competition next Friday 19th Feb. Unlike other bars, one has to immediately pay 400bht for the entry fee before they let you in ... So no one can take a quick peek n decide to leave. It was a full house. In fact, it was overcrowded with people coming in and more chairs being placed in between those wall seats and the bench seats. I finally get to see the JO show (3 participants, with the 2nd person cumming twice!). Also, like X-Size, fuck show is back for now. The 2 participants went around collecting tips while doing the act. To my knowledge, two boys were offed. Too bad I didn't have a chance to have a look at Vinapu's favorite no. 14 n 15. According to the mamasan, they dun stick to the same bar every night...

But the proper manhood massage is not actually a jerk off session. In Malaysia & Indonesia, it is called Urut Batin. Basically, it is massaging the genital area to clear "blockage" & increase blood flow. The massage is supposed to strengthen the penis so that one can maintain hardness in terms of duration & hardness level. I asked this is 'cos Thai guys learn proper massages from training school & could they also know massage techniques to enhance the manhood health & "prowess".

I have visited Tawan bar just once and during that only visit the shows were boring & I was disappointed 'cos I didn't get to see the JO show... they ended the show with some guys posing on stage... but maybe it's 'cos it is a Tuesday night. Instead of the solo JO show, maybe they should change it up a bit. It would be real hot & exciting to see the boy as "captive" being fondle and milk forcefully till orgasm "against his will" by other muscular guys. Or something like a CMNM (as oppose to CFNM) kind of act.

Does Tawan bar still have the jerkoff & cum finale show? What about in February & normally which day of the week? Any other bar has such show? I have yet to experience it first hand and would love to watch it at least once (preferably by the muscular type of boys). Btw, for those boys who jerkoff on stage, does it mean that they will most probably not be offed that night & hence they perform the act?

I wonder if the massage venues in Bangkok offer proper manhood massage. Usually, I read about the massage boys offering great massages and/or great afters. But I never really see any posts of Thai masseurs offering manhood massage, with the exception of Dr Bear massage ... I think. Anyone know about such places that offer this?

It seems Thailand has the option for PrEP pills for 30 baht per day http://www.hivnat.org/en/news/45 I wonder how many gogo boys or those in the sex industry are actually taking it.

The drink is almost equivalent to the off fee... Then I would rather tip the boy a 100bht then buy him a drink. I am sure the boy would prefer the tip than a drink.

I am sure you know the meaning well. But to be clear for those first-time readers/goers, I believe that the "Soft" & "Hard" words used for the minimum tips guidance is to indicate the type of happy endings (sex) for the 2nd part of the massage session i.e. "Softcore" or "Hardcore" version. Hardcore would refer to penetrative sex. This is not to be confused with the amount of pressure i.e. soft or hard, that you would prefer the masseur to exert on your body during the first part of the massage.

Just curious ... in any gogo bar, when we buy the boy a drink, is it just a drink or the boy will get some commission from the drink? 'Cos I dun see why the boy would want to drink so many free drinks unless a drink is not just a drink ...

I have checked the website:- "Outside : Total 2000-2600 B / 2 hrs Minimum Tip (Soft) : 800 ฿ / 1 hr, 1,000฿ / 1.30 hrs, 1,500฿ / 2 hrs. Minimum Tip (Hard) : 1,000฿ / 1 hr, 1,200฿ / 1.30 hrs, 1,700฿/ 2 hrs." So for (HARD), 1,700 tip is for 2hrs. 1,200 tip for 90mins. It is weird that they structure it like that. IT seems 90mins is the best option.

Thanks for introducing the lesser known massage places in Bangkok. Very informative, complete with web links, Line chat & photo. This is the first time I read about such places & I too would like to trace your steps & visit those establishments myself.

Thx for info. I have noticed during my previous 2 stays with my friend in Pathumwan that they have a guard at every entrance/exit. I guess if I am travelling alone with no one to share the hotel room cost with me, taking into consideration of the joiner fee & its location (not in Silom area), I think would choose a cheaper hotel in Silom instead. Based on the comments in this forum, I have narrowed my selection to Glitz & Tarntawan. Hopefully, it will all work out.

What about Pathumwan Princess Hotel in Siam? Anyone bring guest back before?

Do Banana have a new website? I hope to look at their selection of masseurs.

Finally, someone posted photos of a Tawan boy man. Without photo, just quoting their number tag, I couldn't really imagine how those bodybuilder looks like. Thanks for the post!