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GB, thanks for taking the time to reply. Just for the record I have never actually stated what I pay or condemned what others pay only their arguments to justify the amount they deem is correct. I am still of the age and of the looks that I probably do not to need to pay for sex, I never test that theory as I am monogamously coupled with a non-Thai partner.. I understand from your posts that you are an older guy and fat and I see from another of your posts also unwashed so I guess the boy might leave his experience with you feeling cheated whether you give him 100 or 2000 Baht. He might however actually just be a money-boy and just like money and not care. You do try and dictate by trying to insult the people who might put a contrary view to you. I think your deliberate smear of my anonymous cyber character is disgraceful and merits an immediate apology from you.

Of course if you offed a boy and dined him at Manhattan Restaurant and spent 4000 on the food and wine you would then look cheap paying him just 1000 or 1500 Baht. I guess having the rear end of a boy for the night is worth more than having the rear end of some dead cow. So a tip of 5000 Baht would be more in order. It is all realtive and as long as both parties ae satisfied does it really matter? I think that what gets people's backs up are people like GB et al who believe they can dictate a rate to others for tips. Some people tip 3000 or 4000 Bhat a time - good luck to them and good luck to the boy. Others pay a lot less; so what?

Peter might not be a ped but he has been staffing his open beer bar with young teenagers and probably pre-pubescent kids for a long time so as I said the peds would have to look elsewhere. I never inferred he was a ped just a supplier to the peds. I think his bar was or is called Banana Bar.

A great pity if Peter is out yet again. livthai, just wondering where these kids lose their innocence, is there a special place that they can do it before they reach Sunee Plaza? Are they trained by their parents in their village or are they all streetwise Pattaya children who inherited sexual deprivation at birth?

Yes the police will probably hit it so a laminated passport copy plus a flash-light for use in the darkrooms is a must.

buaseng I never attacked you for the amount you pay, just the illogicl that you use to support your arguments. I don't care what you pay, I think hat no individual here has any influence on the market, there are just too many boys and too many bars and too much competition from the internet for that to happen. I have never actually stated whether I personally think you pay too much or too little. I just think it is an amusing argument. At the end of the day the boys are prostitutes and we are punters. They dream of a new life and we dream that some kid is in love with us. Amen

What people tip is totally irrelevant but it is fun to read the arguments. The ex-pats here contribute far more to the bars than most tourists as in my case I spend probably about 50.000 every month on dining and drinks and tips to the boys. (I almost never off a boy as I don't need to.) It is the expats who keep the place rolling along in all seasons and yes if it wasn't for the tourists coming here there would be few expats and even fewer bars and fewer boys so we all serve each other. Most expats enjoy the fresh conversation with the tourists when they come on their vacation and we can smile when they tell us how poor we are and how much they tip. I can tut tut and say 200 is too much. I can watch them look down on me. But it is all bull shit really - most ex-pats here are pretty wealthy but just mean as Thailand tends to make you mean. They are also street wise just as the boys are. Even my moniker here gets buaseng going.. tip what u like the Thais don't think you are an idiot you are JAI DEE (good heart) and they will make you feel warm. I think you are Jai Dee too as I know that boy will now be so happy he will go with me for free... believe it or not...

Delighted that yet another piece of shit has been removed olff the streets off Sunee. Maybe the peds will have to look elsewhere for there destruction of the innocents. Yes please don't give me crap about the lessee of Dragon Bar being innocent until proven guilty. He has been peddling underage sex for years in his various bars. Next hopefully will be the Lessee of the bar down the street beginning with K

What do you think these boys do with the tips? Most of the boys will tell you that they send it home to their families but in truth most will go on their own hedonistic activities, gambling, lottery, karaoke, boys or girls etc.. Only if they are imminently going home to their villages will their families see some of the tips. In many cases other bar workers will use the money so what ever you tip just be happy it all helps keep the sex and gambling show on the road. Did I forget to mention drugs? Of course much of the money that does find its way back to the villages ends up on the lottery. Little of it ends up educating the younger siblings etc. Please don't call me a cynic!!

3rd Road Pubs in general are busiest and frequented the most by Bkk Thais on weekends i.e. Friday and Saturday. These bars are not gay by any means but have a gay following which is fickle and tends to move with the fashion or with the lead singer of the band or whoever. The gay crowd tends to be jnterested in the younger gay scene and I don't know but maybe the Thai scene as well. But as with any race I hear many get excited when a handsome guy is around and I see East meet West regularly. I saw stats from the Tourism Authority of Thailand that there are about 12,000,000 ???? domestic tourists a year visiting Chonburi so if just 2% are gay that does mean that there are a few hundred visitors here most weekends who are gay hanging out somewhere.