Gaybutton Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or just give up. I can't even remember now how many years I, and others, have been trying to convince people not to come to Thailand and start engaging in sex with under-age boys. I can't imagine that any of the people who have been arrested over the years were ignorant of the consequences, and yet they continue to think with their crotches instead of their brains. The part that angers me more than any of it is not the fact that they do this and get caught. If they are stupid enough to take the risk and lose, then my position is 'tough shit.' It angers me because the sheer number of arrests places a terrible stigma on those who come to Thailand and don't do this kind of thing. I can't help but wonder how many Thais, indeed how many people throughout the world, assume single gay farang in Thailand, especially in Pattaya, are probably pedophiles. How many totally innocent among you get hassled and harassed by customs officials when you reenter your home country? How many are questioned and are forced to undergo inspections of your notebook computers, cd's, or anything else on which pornographic images can be stored? I also get annoyed when I see people post that farang in Sunee Plaza must be pedophiles. Horse hockey! When was the last time you heard of anyone being arrested when they took a boy off from a Sunee Plaza bar? In nearly every one of these cases, it's a farang who was messing around with neighborhood boys or street urchins. That could just as easily be interpreted that farang who do not frequent Sunee Plaza are the pedophiles. Here's the latest: The following appears in THE NATION: _____ German Lecturer Arrested in Pattaya for Buying Sex from Two Boys Pattaya, Chon Buri - A German university lecturer was arrested here early Wednesday for allegedly having sex with two underage boys. Wolf Rudiger Engelke, 67, was arrested in the act with a 15-year-old boy and a 13-year-old boy inside an apartment at 1 am. Alerted by informant, police raided the room and found the three inside the bed. The two boys said Engelke promised to give each of them Bt500 in exchange for sex. Police said the German is a lecturer of a university in Phitsanulok. The Nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkguy Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I can't even remember now how many years I, and others, have been trying to convince people not to come to Thailand and start engaging in sex with under-age boys. At least someone listens - from not The Nation: Paedophile Caught in Country That Is Not Thailand Wayne Nelson Corliss, 57, who was fingered through pictures released this week by Interpol, was apprehended in, of all places, Union City, New Jersey, in his homeland of the United States. The crazy twist of events has led some analysts to speculate that either Wayne Nelson Corliss, 57, is not a paedophile or was simply on a quick return trip home to take a break from his paedophilia in Thailand. full story bkkguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest luvthai Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I take it then that the street sweep done a week or so ago by police and welfare agencies ( suppsedly rounding up the kids and sending them to a boot camp) had little or no effect on the kids running the streets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 . . . little or no effect on the kids running the streets. Perhaps not, but I don't think this man was with street kids. I think he was with kids from his own neighborhood. That's just a guess on my part, but that's the impression I get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geezer Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 A little more information. Local German Rotarian accused of having sex with two underage boys. http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_14_05_51.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedssocr Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 doesn't the article say that he was arrested at a guest house/apartment near Sunee and that he picked the boys up off the street near there? In any event, all of the warnings in the world do not matter. It is a compulsion. It is not rational. Does the press also ever report on Thais being arrested for sex with kids? Do they ever report on people being arrested for sex with underage girls? Why do they put pictures of the naked perp and the kids all over the paper and the web? Do those kids really deserve that? Is it necessary to have the obligatory photo of the boys pointing at the guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted May 16, 2008 Author Share Posted May 16, 2008 doesn't the article say that he was arrested at a guest house/apartment near Sunee and that he picked the boys up off the street near there? The PATTAYA DAILY NEWS is also running an article about this. ( http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.p...NEWS=0000005989 ). Unless you are reading an article I haven't seen, neither article says anything about where the apartment is or where he got the boys from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedssocr Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 here ya go, from Pattaya City News http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_14_05_51.html "In the early hours of Wednesday Morning, Tourist Police Officers from Pattaya arrested a German National apparently caught engaging in sexual activities with two boys under the age of 15. Tourist Police Detectives conducted a raid of a room at the Inchart Apartments in Soi Sunee Plaza, South Pattaya and found Mr. Wolf-Rudiger Engelke aged 67 in a state of undress." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HeartOfGold Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Well, you should cry because it just keeps giving Pattaya a bad name. Strictly speaking, this man is not a pedophile although the popular press have now made that the word commonly used. A pedophile is a person who is attracted to pre-pubescent children , either male or female which is pretty creepy is you ask me. The guy is actually a Hebaphile-someone who like boys who have reached puberty and may not yet be off legal age. I know someone who grandly tried to convince a court after he was extradited to Australia that he wasn't a pedophile as the media kept portraying him-rather a hebaphile in that he like young teenage boys who were indeed sexually active. Unfortunately for him they were still under-age and the jury wasn't convinced and the judge sent him down for 10 years. He died of cancer in jail after 5 years. It's just not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaybutton Posted May 16, 2008 Author Share Posted May 16, 2008 Well, you should cry because it just keeps giving Pattaya a bad name. I know someone who grandly tried to convince a court after he was extradited to Australia that he wasn't a pedophile as the media kept portraying him-rather a hebaphile Thanks, fedssocr. I did not see that version of the story. I think I will cry, HeartOfGold, because you're right. It does give Pattaya a bad name and it stigmatizes every gay who comes here right along with it. Obviously the vast majority of gays who come here are not pedophiles in any sense of the word, but in this kind of situation the facts don't matter. Only the perceptions matter and it affects everyone. I like the story about the person who tried to convince the court he was some other kind of "phile." That's right up there with the guys in the USA who try to get out of paying income tax by claiming it is unconstitutional. Works great, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
