Pattaya Massage shops review 2023

[12is12]

Reader, please b thorough before accusing.

I didnt introduce the term "crap" here; Forky did in his post 20 hours ago, which is why I initially used quotation marks. 

As always, it would b much better to address issues instead of venturing into personal criticism.

In this spirit I repeat: I did NOT recommend "rating their performances". I urge all of us to write curt reasonable factual non-demeaning recommendations or warnings, such as: 

"I recommend Wit day and night" (Vinapu).

X offered no sensual component.

Y is highly recommended. 

Z promised to do something and then refused without explaining.

 

[reader]

This is what Forkey said: "Overall - I'll be generous and call it crap."

He was referring to his experience in the shop not an individual.

Then you went on to criticize him for not naming names: "But u didnt name the "craps". 

Vinapu recommend an individual by name but didn't go into specifics of their private encounter.

Nothing wrong with "x", "y" and "z" as they don't pertain to identifiable individuals, IMO.

46 minutes ago, 12is12 said:

I did NOT recommend "rating their performances". I urge all of us to write curt reasonable factual non-demeaning recommendations or warnings

Yes, but you want "us" to name the individual.

It's difficult to be both curt and non-demeaning in the same breath.

It's one thing to share experiences with a member you trust in a PM. It's another thing altogether to publicly post something that follows a guy for the rest of his life. What can possibly be gained by that?

Our opinions are all subjective. We both could have a massage with the same guy and come away with vastly differing accounts. IMO, nothing wrong with describing the account so long as we don't ID the individual.

[12is12]

"what can possibly b gained by it?"

2 things:

1 - others would enjoy the guy Vinapu recommended.

2 - others would not hire a guy who fakes fotos or doesnt deliver on promises. 

I agree with u Reader that "our opinions r subjective", but instead of "all" I substitue "most". In most hires, satisfaction or lack thereof is subjective and chemistry may b dominant. In some cases, usually the worst ones, it's factually objective (re Forky's examples). These r the guys forum members should b warned againt, by name.

[reader]

In 21 years I can hardly recall more than a handful of disappointing experiences. I'm sure there are at least that many masseurs who were disappointed in me.

I've never felt compelled to "warn" others. The guy could have been just having a bad day. I chalked it up to experience and moved on.

You seem to think informing members that a masseur may have not given you what you considered proper oral or anal satisfaction is more important than posting an opinion that never goes away.

Sorry, that's a "gain" I'm quite content to forego.

[forky123]

3 hours ago, 12is12 said:

But u didnt name the "craps". 

I wouldnt go to any crappy hotel or restaurant (or lawyer or handiman) with bad reviews. No reviewer gives them the benefit of the doubt, hiding their names. Patrons simply report their experience, without thinking "maybe they'll improve". 

Why r masseurs different? Why shouldnt we learn from your experience whom to avoid? 

And yet you would give the hotel or restaurant the bad review and not the chef. As I have done with Foxy.

Please note that I did not and would not refer to any masseur as "crap". I referred to my overall experience at Foxy as crap for the reasons I laid out.

Reviews of masseurs are entirely subjective. We all like different things in a massage and different levels of "afters". Also, the type and detail of afters will depend on factors that mean different customers will receive different experiences.

I'm sorry you feel me not naming masseurs is somehow unfair but, in case it wasn't obvious, I don't ask the names of masseurs I have no interest in having a massage with again. I prefer to continue the search for my perfect massage and trying different masseurs along the way. 

[forky123]

Foam massage visit to Helios.

Helios Massage - Tukcom - Coming from beach, take road along Tukcom. Helios is about 200m on the left. 

Cost -  1 hour Foam Massage - 600. 1000 minimum for boy

Boys quality: 5 or 6 boys. Low 20's to low 30's 

Ambience: The foam massage room is on the first floor so not so many stairs. It's basically a massage room sized shower cubicle with a couple of fans and not much lighting. It was cleaner than I remember and a comfortable temperature. My previous experience a few years ago was that I was continually cold. Not so this time. 

Massage Quality: Foam massages involve mainly body to body contact and not much pressure as the slipperyness of the foam makes pressure difficult. Overall the body to body style was enjoyable with much mutual touching. It was nice as a change but I definitely prefer an oil massage. Afters were basically throughout the massage. Mutul BJ & HJ.

Duration (I've been asked to include this) - The full hour.

Overall - Always going to be a favorite for me but there are no Lek's working there now.

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, 12is12 said:

"what can possibly b gained by it?"

 

1 - others would enjoy the guy Vinapu recommended.

 

That is no guarantee even if I recommended in good faith and with clear conscience guy who I know from many encounters , both massages and long time offs .

But there are still things like chemistry or daily mood of ours or boy's which may derail things.

I had this before with well rehearsed  boy from BBB Inn whom I liked and recommended to one our our members whose experience was very unsatisfactory due to unexpected factor - lack of discretion. Boy unsolicited showed him pictures of some of his customers, apparently nothing compromising but he was put off. Surprising for me too as boy in question never produced such an exhibition to me in our several encounters. 

Second thing we need to remember that one statistic sample is not a base to formulate hypothesis. Neither excellent nor bad experience can't be treated as sign of things to come.  

While I sympathize with reader's  remarks that bad and nasty reviews will stick with boy or place forever even if undeserved and made in heat of moment I must say that at times they may be fully deserved when boy clearly showed bad will. Fake pictures , unless disclaimed in profile already as such,  fully deserve scorn and disclosure. Even worse- cases when boy clearly did not have any intention to keep his side of bargain. Those who read my Jan trip report can recall clear illustration of such behavior on part of guy I called CCP (Cambodian Charming Prince).   

It happens rarely but it does and  we can wax lyrical about   human dignity  only to certain extend - but if asshole is called asshole no harm done if label sticks to him and warning is issued far and wide as long as it's deserved and explained why.  

But as always when throwing mud, before doing that we must be 100% sure is deserved. Since often there's doubt is better to exercise discretion in both making  bad reviews and  acting (or not)  upon them. 

I'm still glad that despite warning from one of my most trusted forum friends years ago I engaged  certain M from Senso , one of my best meets ever.

[ichigo]

Thank you @forky123 for your reviews, much appreciated!

[forrestreid]

On 3/18/2023 at 1:07 PM, forky123 said:

Foam massage visit to Helios.

Helios Massage - Tukcom - Coming from beach, take road along Tukcom. Helios is about 200m on the left. 

Cost -  1 hour Foam Massage - 600. 1000 minimum for boy

Boys quality: 5 or 6 boys. Low 20's to low 30's 

Ambience: The foam massage room is on the first floor so not so many stairs. It's basically a massage room sized shower cubicle with a couple of fans and not much lighting. It was cleaner than I remember and a comfortable temperature. My previous experience a few years ago was that I was continually cold. Not so this time. 

Massage Quality: Foam massages involve mainly body to body contact and not much pressure as the slipperyness of the foam makes pressure difficult. Overall the body to body style was enjoyable with much mutual touching. It was nice as a change but I definitely prefer an oil massage. Afters were basically throughout the massage. Mutul BJ & HJ.

Duration (I've been asked to include this) - The full hour.

Overall - Always going to be a favorite for me but there are no Lek's working there now.

Glad to see a review of a Foam Massage.

In the straight Thai scene, they are called "Soapies" and are very common. That is not the situation for gay massages, not sure why.

Helios seems to occupy the same premises as the old Blue Massage, which also used to specialise in them.

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, forrestreid said:

Glad to see a review of a Foam Massage.

In the straight Thai scene, they are called "Soapies" and are very common. That is not the situation for gay massages, not sure why.

 

right, Helios is only gay place I know in both Pattaya and Bangkok which does them