NIrishGuy

Yes, sometimes actually that's EXACTLY what I want ! Sometimes a simple massage is what I require to ease my sore muscles etc before I head out for the night / to shag etc and the LAST thing I want is some opportune massage guy doing his damnedest to get my hard when I've already told him I JUST want an ordinary massage. But alas unfortunately I've discovered that I'm quite weak willed and must to my own annoyance do tend to just give in most ( all ) of the time - but SOMETIMES yes, a simple straight forward non sexual massage is EXACTLY what I want.

To be fair the UK will have one of those too right up to 2020 it seems, with another just after that too until 2025 at the earliest ! Oh well, think of the money we're saving on aircraft fuel - just as long as we don't actually need to USE them of course so it should all be fine, I'm sure our Government have it ALL worked out ....... :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_aircraft_carrier

Hmmm looks a bit like the sea at Jomtiem some days when there's no wind blowing to help blow all the crap and condoms from Pattaya all back out to sea to that the water there then only looks mildly filthy for the people crazy enough to actually swim in it and ingest it :-(

You'd love to know where the owners get their valuations from, as at a sales estimate of around £27,000 STG I'm guessing it's certainly not based on "fixtures and fittings :-) Also as they don't own the building, nor (I'm guessing) have a particularly long lease I guess then it must mainly be based on "goodwill" although in a low season Sunee Plaza I'm guessing that's also quiet low on the ground just now too perhaps. It is I'm guessing also more based on "that's roughly what the current owner paid for it 4 years ago and so he's happy to just get his initial investment back and walk away after spending money for the 4 years "enjoying" his bar - although the thought of being in there every night watching over your investment ( if he didn't want to see ALL the takings disappear quite fast) whilst there on holiday would be too much even for the most hardened of us I would have thought, so the guy surely get's some credit for sticking it out for 4 years.......but £27,000 STG worth of credit......hmmm that I guess would be another matter. Still, assuming he finds another buyer I'm sure we wish them all the best with it.

Funny my mother always told me that doing "that" would make one go blind and yet I never believed her and there it turns out she was right all along it seems ! :-)

You need to live a bit more Forky as what do you think those trolleys are for that house keeping use in the corridors, what you think they're to bring you fresh towels ? No, not a bit of it, they're actually to bring you fresh boys once you're spent with one and require another all WHILST on the walk down to breakfast ! My god man whats the point of going all the way to Thailand if you don't make the most out of your holiday eh ! Time you were up and at it !

One plus of in room - you can keep your valuables locked up in your own safe in the room as opposed to either leaving your wallet in your trousers while you shower ( crazy) or put it in their lockers ( also not much safer half times ! ) Also if things do get going sex wise you normally can have a far better fuck and on your terms than being stuck in a cubicle with perhaps only the one condom that the guy has brought in with him ( to restrict your fun opportunities and hurry you up and out)

Id be amazed if they even bothered with the massage and just didn't get straight on down to action at that hour, you'll not be stuck for choice I'm guessing......

"I will have another think about it and maybe have to travel alone." Thats the best idea by FAR ! The term "carrying coals to Newcastle" comes to mind ! Get there alone, park yourself somewhere / anywhere in Thailand and sit back and watch the large selection of cute guys come to you, pick one ( or several) spend as little or as long as you want with each and dont (let yourself) get tied yourself down with any one guy - there's LOTS of guys waiting there to spend time with you, you'll not be stuck for choice believe me. Go for it alone (at the start anway) and I'm guessing you'll not regret it.

Sorry for the delay, I've just read this thread and nope, you'll get no disagreement from me re your above SG - you're bang on the money there ( as I see you've already noted in a later thread too) - and actually as I see your post was way back in November now that the Assembly has crashed here ( yet again) there's a very real chance of direct rule once again being implemnented here if the local parties can't get their gravy triain back on the tracks. I don't "think" it'll come to that this time round (yet) but it could and if it does then your "being ruled over once more by the English" is even more spot on. Likewise though (and again as you said SG) some here wouldn't see that in such as bad light as perhaps you / a Nationalist would and we might just consider that a further extension of our own UK Government administering it's own area ( as we can't seem to manage that ourselves as our politicans are arseholes !). But even as a Unionist even I do concede now that in these days of devolution it is a bit "rich" for some English Minister to be parachuted in to Stormont Castle to preside over us, but that's still better ( in my case as a Unionist) than some of the ( unconstiutional) alternatives being suggested here by some ( Nationalists) here such as joint Sovereignty with the Irish Republic etc - but THAT as they say is a WHOLE other topic for another whole other thread - that one I'll probably not add too much as genereally speaking I'm just SO done with the politics of this whole fucked up place in general and prefer just to fuck myself stupid here in particualar whilst our politicians here just spend their time just fucking us all around in general it seems.

Yes i've a Flipino BF who (then) had a permanent "right to reside" visa for living here in the UK, which is doubly annoying as he lived and worked here, full time, for years, paid taxes here the lot - but yet we STILL couldn't go to the likes of Spain or Amsterdam for even a weekend break - or crazily go over the Irish border to Southern Ireland for normal every day shopping ( the border is about 30 minutes drive from my home where we both live) - SO annoying !! Same as you we had to PHYSICALLY go to the Spanish consulate in Edinburgh ( he rang and was told he MUST attend in person so over we went for the weekend) only for some cheeky arrogant SCOTTISH git at the door ( sorry SG but it's true) a) to talk to him like he was some piece of shit on arrival, grill him as to why he was there and tell him "you could have just posted this you know I don't know what you're doing here" - and this was the £6 an hour SECURITY guard on the front door ! I then ( who had held my tongue until that moment ) went to go in the door of the embassy waiting area with him ( as it was absolutely pissing down outside) only for same guard to stop me and say I'd just have to wait in the street as "I'd no business there" ( I should add this was at around 11am and the large waiting room was TOTALLY empty!) - well, as I WASN'T waiting for a visa and had nothing to lose by god he got it between the ears in true Irish / Scottish style and he was reminded that he wasn't talking to some poor visa seeking visitor begging for their goodwill and that he'd get his jaw realigned if he spoke to me like that again. Meanwhile my BF had been called on in to see the visa issuing consul staff member, who I'm told was equally as cheeky and shitty to him behind closed doors and I just WISH I'd of been told that before we left the place as he'd of been getting a piece of Irish manners put in him too. Personally I'd of told them to stick their visa and their country but my BF being of a cooler mind stayed calm and was eventually handed his visa for a long weekend trip - he asked for a 3 entry visa ( as he's been given before by the Netherlands etc) only for that to be declined and him given a one entry visit visa - shower of cunts the lot of them ! I've since read that both the Consul there and their staff have a reputation for being total cunts to all who enter and their bad manners that reflect so badly on Spain are plastered all over various visa chat rooms all over the internet apparently. Thankfully my BF is now a full British citizen so we won't have to go through all that nonsense anymore but I SO feel for anyone that does and all just simply to go on holiday ! Mind you after Brexit I'd better say nothing as give it a few months and we ALL might be needing our own Schengen application forms ! Well fuck it, if that's the case I think I'll just stay home ( or go to Thailand more) ! Best of luck.

You know I'm ashamed to admit that in all my years it has simply NEVER occurred to me to try to arrange to bring or meet or organise a Schengen Visa for a Thai guy that would enable us to holiday together elsewhere in Europe ! What a great idea for a mutually enjoyable holiday ! Sorry I can't answer your direct question but I hope you are both successful in your application and that it does work out free of charge for you.

I'm guessing A447 is your man there, drop him a PM perhaps.

And finally if you know how to do it ( and even if not ask someone to do it for you AT HOME ) try to be sure to "back up" your phone before you give it to anyone to do anything with as it wouldn't be the first time that a company has tried to unlock a phone and totally screwed it up, losing all the customers data and stored phone contacts etc ( which is a real pain if it happens ) I'm guessing you're not "up" on these things but you ( or someone for you) can reasonably easily either back your phone up to your computer at home, meaning you'll always have that data there should anything bad happen or you lose your phone OR you can now quite easily open a "cloud" account ( like apples iCloud service) for free and then set your phone to back up EVERYTHING there as often as you like, every day if on holiday certainly, as once you select that option it's all automated thereafter and you won't even notice your phone doing it from then on and it only takes seconds. Then if you damage your phone or get it stolen you simply go buy a new empty phone, connect it to the internet, then connect online to your cloud account and press a button to reinstall ALL your data, phone contacts, pictures taken etc to that phone instantly and away you go again. That feature has saved my bacon several times now when travelling. You'll also have the bonus of all that data also being available to you once you get home on your computer too. I realise if you're not that way inclined that might sound difficult, it's really not and it's the way phones are now going and it is a really useful service and I personally wouldn't and couldn't do without it - and even if not travelling EVERYONE should now be backing up their phone at some points in case of it breakdown and you being left with no contacts and all your photos simply gone and lost forever. Good luck.

You're a brave man introducing your cute chinese husband to this nest of sexual vipers !! ( lol I am just joking of course - well, probably ! :-)

Ha I too have stopped in my tracks before and had to take a good second look when I came up upon that very same "Neals Scooter" situation as it is parked in almost exactly the same position as where he always left his heavy duty machine. Thankfully I did see someone else driving off on it later on so no, definitely not his nor him returning to haunt and harass the lady owner of "his" beach concession ( or so he seemed to think merely as he'd sponsored the wifi there for a while). That is until the lady owner there well and truly handed him his ass in a sling one day over him being just a bit too bossy for her liking and quickly put him in his place and put him right on that score once and for all from what I remember - leading to him then throwing a tantrum, moving sections and calling her for everything for weeks thereafter I seem to recall - much to the delight of a few of her other regulars who later posted same I recall :-) Nice pics too - although ( through no fault of yours or your pics) they more sort of reminded me of just what I'm "not" missing there just now perhaps, which is kind of sad as of late to me same same ( which used to bring a smile to my face is now "actually" just more a case of absolutely same same now perhaps and not in a good way :-( But thanks for taking the time to post for us all anyway - including your very own selfie no less ! Wow, aren't we getting the brave boy who obviously doesn't give a shit who sees or knows you there or not, good for you !

And still ARE and a lot of the time are still valid too !

Oh and one POSITIVE that I think is worth mentioning out of being open with people and something that had never occurred to me until it happened.......several years after having the above type of open conversation with a few friends and after my singing the praises of some hot random guy I'd met / fucked and after I'd showing my friends his pics on Facebook, at least two of them came back to me and said "oh thank god, we all just assumed that anyone who went to Thailand was up to no good there and was just going there to fuck young boys - and they meant YOUNG boys so thank god you're not one of THOSE guys eh !" So, ( aside from my shock and disgust they would even THINK that about me) they were actually relieved to be shown that "no, the sex tourists they had read about weren't all deranged evil paedophiles going to Thailand just to prey on "young" boys and that 99% of us are just normal everyday citizens who just happen to like a good fuck - lots - and with of course guys ABOVE any legal age limits !! Whilst It was shocking and a bit annoying even to have to HAVE that type of conversation with ( not so close to be fair) friends, but we all know homophobia runs deep in even the seemingly nicest person and straight people's general "fears" and misunderstandings about gay people in general can if let run riot know no bounds it seems, so my quick discussion instantly dispelled all this myths for them ( well probably 75% of them anyway as I wouldn't be surprised it they STILL thought that anyway there after ! ) But, my point was that my friends were HAPPY that I shared my life with them and I now post various pics of guys I've met in Thailand and other Countries as I travel on Facebook etc and my friends quite happily reply and comment and post and chat away to the guys happy in knowing that there's nothing untoward going on. So it seems that sometimes being open and honest DOES have an UP side and one that we rarely might even think we need to consider or think about but for our straight friends perhaps less so!

Sorry and what I meant to add to the above but the edit time beat me was that people, when standing around in the work canteen etc come out with the ( totally fake) "OHHHH so, you go to thailand a lot then eh, ohhhh I wonder what takes you THERE then so much eh ? Is it the temples or is it something ELSE perhaps eh EHH ??, oh do tell us all then ?" is all just pure power play and a way to TRY and make you feel small and embarrassed and beneath them and your peers all based on their OWN insecurities in life! A simple answer of yeah "I love Thailand for the temples and the food there and the weather is always lovely too and boy are the guys there hot, wall to wall sex for as long as I can handle it and as much as I want and all REALLY cheap too , yeah it's GREAT there" - just INSTANTLY blows them and their wee game right out of the water and instantly takes away the power that they perceived they held over you right up to that point. Then you can be sure that either a) they'll never fuck with you again or b) others will either all huddle together in (fake) disgust talking about you OR c) no one will give a real fuck anyway and life goes on and most people will probably having a grudging respect for you that you didn't fall for the shame tactics and that you didn't try to lie or hide who and what you are to anyone and all just be thankful that the office bully picked on you and not them ( and that you stood up to them and their bullying tactics). Maybe try it sometime, you might be pleasantly surprised by the outcome - or I guess you could end up fired, lose your job, your house and all your friends lol - I have no idea, that part is up to you - but my guess is it'll be the first outcome ( well, hopefully anyway ! :-)

Abidismali - by your own admission you say you find it hard to believe the few people ( including me I'll presume) who have said they have no issue telling everyone, anyone or no one as we see fit how we choose to live our lives, perhaps you should simply accept that others ARE different from you and are not it seems bound up in the same "taboo's" that you believe exist. I am aware that culturally things are different in different places but for me namazu's post sums things up perfectly. One tell's who one wants to have a discussion with, ignores the rest, gives levels of information, not based on shame but just people requirement to know me ( whether professionally or otherwise) - if ANYONE point blank asked "DO you fuck guys when you go to Thailand and do you sometimes pay them" well they'd either be told to fuck off and mind their own business ( if I didn't like them and they were just being a prick) but from a "shame" point of view "No, never would I lie about that, I've no need to, I'm not doing anything wrong' ( as far as MY values are concerned, others might have different values but ai could care less about that and that as I said about is THEIR problem not mine. The going for a shit methaphore and whether you tell people about that etc whilst graphic is a perfect example of this topic in practice certainly in my life and so my question to you would to look at why you're perhaps SO far back in feeling the need to either explain yourself to others or to make up wee stories to "put them off the track" that you should maybe look more about how you're viewing your own life and stop giving a shit so much what others think of you - as really short of gossiping most people are WAY to busy worrying what everyone else is thinking of THEM to REALLY give a shit about you or your life, don't waste your energy on such trivial matters maybe ? Just a thought.

I agree with you that it's sad that people feel that it's a taboo, but I think a lot of that is something that they've allowed to build up in their own minds or lives perhaps and re your 'I don't know any sex tourist who is open etc" - well, you do now.....me ( and I'm sure plenty of others ? "I find it hard to believe you tell your collegues and father, mother, brother, sister that you go to Thailand as a sex tourist. I think even you lie about that when they ask you. Your father and mother know you are a sex tourist? Your boss knows? Really?" You think wrong I can assure you, I have no reason to lie to anyone about anything in my life, well more than did you eat one cake or two with that cup of coffee yesterday perhaps :-) - I don't want to come across as it sounding like I intend it to be something like bravado or something but I simply "don't" ( have) to lie about such things to anyone - mother, work co-workers, friends etc etc, it's just not an issue. If I mention Im going to Thailand they'll just KNOW why I'm going, to enjoy a good holiday and have a good few fucks while I'm there, it's not a big deal or anything out of the ordinary ( well aside from I can manage to GET the fucks in the first place perhaps but that's a whole different story perhaps :-) - and yes, before you ask they know I fuck money boys sometimes if the mood takes me. ​it's only becomes an issue and something to hide if "I" feel that I'm doing something that I shouldn't and I don't, it's my life, if someone else doesn't like it.....well I don't know what to say about that other than I guess that that would be their problem not mine ? It reminds me of the old Irish joke of the 80 year old catholic man who goes into confession and tells the priest "father, I've been having sex with this young beautiful hot 25 year old girl who lives in the next village" and the Priest replies " well, it's not illegal Seamus so why are you telling me this?" - and the man replies - "Why am I telling YOU this Father hell I'm 80- year old, I'm telling bloody EVERYONE !" :-)

Not angry - saddened was the word I used - if angry that would be at society making people feel like they have to hide part of their lives - and yes that's hide not keep private, two different things and if you weren't doing something you thought at some level you thought you shouldn't you wouldn't give a shit whether it was private or not I'm guessing. However preserving your privacy is your choice and your right and I already said that I fully understand that some people who are not out etc may wish to do that, so fair enough, up to them. And as for dumb and unnecessary - are ANY of our opinions on here "necessary" and dumb, no, "I" dont think so, that's why I posted it, you of course may not agree and that is perfectly fine, but you haven't swayed my opinion, nor I I doubt yours - and THAT'S perfectly fine by me too. If you want to go about being private in life that's up to you, me personally, as I said I generally can't be bothered much to anyone that matters to me as "the truth will usually out in the end anyway I find" - but of course as you're only being private and not lying to people in any way that thankfully wouldn't be an issue of you anyway so no worries there then thankfully.

This thread is quite saddening that even now some gay people don't feel able or willing to be at ease with others ( and themselves) enough perhaps to be open and honest with the world in general about their every day lives if asked by people they care enough to give an answer to. I do understand that some people aren't "out" and I guess that's a reason to be cautious etc but if that's not the case then what's wrong with just saying the truth i.e I go for a nice holiday as I love it there and if pushed then adding "and as I meet loads of cute guys" and if pushed further then " and yes for lots of hot sex with those same cute guys too", Or if feeling a little less open than that and don't want to enter into the conversation then what's wrong with "I go for a holiday and to have lots of fun" - and if they reply with some dig or knowing smile with "ahhh but what SORTS of fun" a simple answer of "well what sort of fun do YOU think I mean " and a quizzical telling off look on your face meaning "so if you seemingly already think you know then why the fuck are you asking me anyway ?" Personally I refuse to let ANYONE shame me into having to tell lies about who I am, I'll either happily tell the absolute truth if I feel I want to and feel it's a conversation I want / can be bothered having - or if it's not then I've obviously deemed to it to be none of their fucking business and so they don't deserve any sort a sensible answer other than " I go cause I like it there" anyway. Fuck the guilty and secrecy, life's to short and in my experience no one REALLY gives a fuck anyway and if asked in a group and you try to hide it you get them all nudging each other with a knowing "ahhhh I knew it" smile at your expense, whereas if you reply "I go as I just love the lady boys there" you'll normally get a moments silence, followed by a hesitation and then a collective "oh well, good for you mate, whatever makes you happy" - closely followed by at least one of the group coming up to you privately later to ask a) were you serious back there and when you say you were then starting to tell YOU about HIS secret holidays when he was fucked senseless by a lady boy and loved it and then asking you not to tell anyone ! And finally there's usually ONE person in that group who will strut off with a "well I don't care I think it's disgusting" going on - and THEY are the one's who you can bet are living the biggest lie of all and are out in gay saunas and cruising in public parks and toilets and doing stuff that half of us wouldn't be caught doing ever. So, fuck other people and their judgements and (fake) shocked attitudes, lifes to short to give a shit what others think and they're all just as scared as we are that we give a shit about THEIR dark and dirty secrets - which of course we absolutely don't anyway !

And an instant throw back for all of us who enjoyed sitting in the Copa watching the show, only trouble is over the years I've sat there for so long that I now can't hear the original song without expecting it to contain that song clip they used with the camera shutter clicking, cut and looped and playing over and over and OVER again ! Awww I miss it already :-(

Ahhhh what sweet memories, as that was the very first line that got me into playing around with guys in the first place :-) Unfortunately now as I'm getting on it's more like they're saying "it's ok, we've seen yours you can put it away again now", but I'm not going down without a fight - or at least 1000 baht for my troubles if I'm made to go down on them in the first place ! :-)