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no idea , I don't know those things but noticed unusually yellow eyes. It was , at end of day whole thing was covered by half full part of glass It's why I'm not bitter, as said above on recollection of first few days after he contacted me I still smile. Broadly. Sure I spend some money and it was mostly wasted as per specification above but may be it was just price for that dream. I suspect he may be losing more sleep then me over it as money he forfeited by those antics was , at least for Cambodia, substantial

I only brought one guy , on my second night but no, not a problem at all. I met him on the street in front of hotel and we entered together. Guy on reception saw us waiting for an elevator for quite a while but did not care. No problem with guest at Saravoan in Oct 2022 either , night guard just opened gate and smiled oiled with some banknote.

I like your analysis. It goes along my lines of thinking then and now. When I entered car he was clearly disappointed that I don't have that new shiny suitcase with me to a degree I was even surprised. Dark cloud going through his face was visible even if it was just second or two. Red flags were notice but I chose to take a chance and go ahead. In hindsight I should stop right there when request to change flights was made but I was not in mood to blow a deal I was dreaming about over such trivial matter. Now , after all dust settled I tend to think underscored part was his real motive. But if it was a case another question needs to be asked - why he told his former bar friend about that trip if he was not even planning to go ?

I guess you must be right. It's still puzzling me that he forfeited whole deal as from financial point of view he was bound to make quite a buck based on our agreement. Clearly not enough for him I guess though You guys may be right but something tells me it was not a reason. He could simply suggest the I should pretend I don't know him and it's what I suggested but answer was very clear ' you should go first". lesson learned. I doubt I ever will forward money before slipping my hand into boy's jeans first. It was bit costly tuition but tuition it was. When one looks at whole financial side of the affair it was not him who benefited the most but various airlines. All he got was 200 $ for shopping and 15 $ for bringing me to the hotel from airport. Total 215 ? his ticket to BKK -175 $ my second ticket when he requested separate flight 80$, my third ticket when I decided to cut my time in PP short 75 $, bottle of wine 17$, money lost on cancelling original hotel reservation 10$. Total 357 $ And so did I. Risk was calculated indeed and I understood that it's on his side as well since we never spent really time together. It's why we ironed almost everything before I even set off. When I recall those first few days after we connected and how thrilled I was then I tend to think it was still worth expense and being burdened with subsequent disappointment. Call me stupid but I still smile. Yes , overall trip was very enjoyable and that affair while disappointed me , did not spoil my fun even close to degree one could expect. As I reported above , even my last night in PP was VERY pleasant and pleasing affair.

remember what I said here 2 158 964 times, my second worst and THE BEST off ever were with the same guy two years apart. Later on we will return to that story and it will be another uplifting one about reunion with guy who dumped me in Nov over my complains about his excessive phone use and turned sweeter than honey only 3 months later.

so beach finally will be just that , the beach not a parking spot for numerous boats

all we can do is gnash teeth and pay. At 300 baht fee is relatively modest, equivalent of boy's drink in Banana Club or two servings of chicken with cashew nuts at world famous 7.5 stars Foodland Patpong

Thank you , YOU HAVE A GOOD HEART. as for pictures, no. I don't have such habit plus even if tempted I wouldn't post until I hear his side if the story as there's remote but still real possibility that by dumping and ghosting me he saved me from bigger trouble, either by coincidence or even by design.

just walk arround Silom , patpong 2 , soi 6 , Suriwong , Thaniya and soi4 as after bars closed guys like to hang out or have meals with friends here and there so you may hunt somebody fairly easy, Banana had show till at least 1.30 , I was there waiting for my boy to finish shift on my first night in BKk on last trip. There were still some boys available , I know because one of them was sitting with me and was awarded 500 for allowing some indecent touches

I wouldn't let you to damage his nicely shaped butt, yes that silence was indecent , he could invent some excuse and in view of our earlier arrangements ( he said very early that his time in PP may be limited ) I would swallow it .

I also can't find fault in what I did other than cutting almost in half first money request and denying second but that , considering we did not even exchange handshake yet was correct thing to do. no, I did not enjoy PP this time for obvious reason, time spent at Space Bar was notable exception. What happened to the bottle will be revealed tomorrow

again, no. It was him who raised question of money first and in plain language ' I go with you and can't work at that time , how much from you for to me ?" For PP part he made disclaimer early that he will be only available at night and even that was bit conditional as he expected to be busy during daytime. Sure there's possibility that something was lost in translation and misunderstanding could create some offence but I doubt as that is not explaining again that strange flight request made early on.

thank you for your kind words. I don't mind dissecting my conduct , it's why I posted that story so others can learn and discuss. Yes I knew very well what I'm getting into, even more , CCP also knew as we discussed both 3 days in PP and 5 in BKK in detail well before I even left home. We should remember it was CCP who contacted me first as after unsuccessful attempt to lure him to Siem Reap in October I left things as they were and did not try to contact him , only when planning trip to Thailand I decided to pop into PP to see if he is still there. For me whole mystery hangs on that strange request made about a week after we started talking to go to Bangkok first, even if that was only 20 minutes earlier. From that moment, while my hopes were still very high and they were till last moment of morning of day 4 described above, I knew to expect some derailment on the way although total ghosting was not what I expected at all , if only because quite serious money for Cambodia was supposed to be dispensed. To this day nobody came with plausible explanation as why he wanted me to go separate and earlier at that.

Day 4 Contrary to what may be expected I slept quite well and would sleep even longer but at 7 am I was waked up by sound of air conditioner. Breakfast on 15th floor , included in price, I truly enjoyed food and the view . Going down, my phone sounded, it was Line message , you guessed rightly, from CCP. Repeated last night excuse about delivery and being hungry like he couldn’t say that at night he will not come. Then complained that he is stressed because of debt and it caused him to lose 5kg, fact I noticed yesterday at the airport. And noticed that I keep tight limit on his monetary requests. Next out of blue question come if during those 5 days in BKK we can make trip to Phi Phi island . I said no , I’m not planning to go outside of Bangkok . He mused ‘ why ? we have so many days” so I answered because it would cost more than I planned to spend. And I had question too ‘ what about our trip today?’ , answer was brief “ I think I cannot “ . All I could do is to say ‘ thank you for letting me know , I will ask at travel office”. Then I knew all affair is over. And as it turned so did him because my next message “ what about tomorrow? “ was never read till last day of the trip. So yes, all warning signs were like that, warning signs . it was only me who seeing those opted to ignore them feeding what my friend described as ‘ magnificent illusion” . It was magnificent indeed. But no more . I fired my tablet decided to cut my stay in PP short. Tickets for today were bit costly so I bought one for tomorrow for exactly the same flight I was supposed to take with him day later. It was my third ticket for PP-Bkk flight, first was original and second for that requested earlier flight. Also booked 1 night at Rose hotel because Baan Silom was full for the night. Wandered a bit around riverbank and downtown including magnificent Psar Thmei market but emotions and uncured jet lag conspired and early afternoon I just collapsed in bed to a sound sleep till 9 p.m. Then groomed myself a bit and went to Space Bar again skipping dinner. Hard to believe but breakfast was only meal I had today. In the bar I was greeted by my last trip companion. I did not waste time to ask him to come to my room after bar closes , idea he approved gladly. Later in course of conversation he told me that he knows I’m taking ‘big guy” with me to Bangkok. Wishing it was true indeed I said nothing. So obviously CCP spilled the beans, otherwise how he would know ?. Few rounds of drinks kept me and boys at my table in good spirits, fact is quite a few of them were hiring material if I stay longer. Tab was even higher than yesterday and again I suspect I was charged for more drinks I ordered unless boys ordered some behind my back on my tab. No complains as I had good time indeed. But it looks no end to today’s dramas. My expected companion disappeared somewhere and was nowhere to be found. I went to hotel hoping he will be waiting there but no. So lined him only to receive message that he is angry with me because he noticed I tipped few guys just for sitting , drinking and talking. Clearly PP air is not good for me this time, sigh. But I got bright idea to offer him what I’d pay CCP tonight and shortly he was on his way. What I thought as consolation price was consolation indeed. He turned out very warm and yet energetic guaranteeing sleepless steamy night for us both. Probably best of that whole trip.

no need to add drama to the story. First , If I send him 200$ without asking anything in exchange few weeks prior he knew I'm serious. Second whole idea of picking me up from airport was mine because.... Third from beginning and this is what he asked for because of work as personal trainer during day , idea was that days in PP are mine and nights are ours. Only when I suggested I want to take two day trips and can use him and his car for that instead of travel office he promised to arrange his affairs so we can go together. Fourth, I asked if he can go upstairs for an hour or so but he declined because he had some session at 7 and I knew about it beforehand so it was just courtesy on my side. Fifth, trip from airport was paid as again , I suggested that if he has time he can pick me up so I can spend money on him instead of taxi. I made many costly mistakes in this affair but that arrival arrangement was basically what we both agreed on well before I set off from Bangkok so no, I don't see my fault here

this is how I wanted it on first day so no, for me it was what was expected, drama starts at midnight's stroke so to speak

and it was only 35 $ with breakfast

I agree about the flags, first was that request to change flight. All expectations were spelled out and cleared, it's execution where whole thing failed. About dropping at hotel and leaving me there was my idea. On first day I wanted him for the night as I wanted to do some walking around and visit his former bar first.

not quite. Since he left bar on apparently not good terms with boss he was not interested to go there. On another hand I was clear that I want to go there for at least drink or two so his idea sounded very sensible in circumstances.

Few pictures of Okay Boutique hotel , my room and view from the restaurant on top floor

Day 3 , finally THE GREAT DAY V needs to go to work so we waked up at 7 and after refreshing marched to Unesco Designated for the breakfast warmly greeted by personnel there sporting knowing smile. I will see it plenty in coming days , that’s sure thing, LOL, Then V went his way and I returned to my room to pack. Since trip to PP is short , just three days, and I’m returning to Baan Silom I will leave my new suitcase with most of my goodies including two bottles of red wine for CCP there and take only what’s necessary. Before I started I fired phone up and already that early was message from my PP guy , “what time you are coming ?” , “ I will pick you up ‘ , ‘just call me when you arrive’. Thrilled I took it as we are in business, picture of his car with plate followed so all good. My heart beat increased for a while and cloud 9 seemed closer. Since my flight was at 3 pm I was in no rush to pack up. I went for a stroll to colourful market in soi 5, changed more money as we are supposed to return on Sunday. Not that I need it since money for CCP is set aside and secured but I don’t like to be left without cash on hand in any case. Checked out exactly at prescribed 12 noon, left suitcase on reception and took BTS + MRT+ SRT combination to arrive at Don Muang about 1 hr later . I had tasty roasted duck with rice lunch at coupon place in corridor leading from station to terminal. Checking in was smooth ,I had enough time to buy another bottle of red wine in duty free for 600 hoping we will open it later tonight. I send Line message to CCP I’m on my way , got ‘see you soon darling” response and at 3 pm we took off to land in PP 1.15 hr. later. I had e-visa so admission was fast , I bought SIM card for few dollars , messaged CCP I’m here, to get a picture of his car parked under the big poster outside of airport so it was very easy to find him and soon I was in. Smile the same like before , sweet and charming but it looked he lost some body mass. We were on busy street in rush hours so not much more than handshake but I couldn’t help not to touch his impressive biceps and indeed they were softer than I recalled. He noticed it and shyly admitted he did not exercise that much recently. He also looked bit tired and his eyes were bit yellowish and also admitted to getting bit drunk last night. I noticed whiff of disappointment that my new shiny suitcase did not arrive with me but I explained that luggage was limited on the flight and she is waiting for him in BKK as promised. Roads were crowded as expected at 5 pm so it took us good 45 minutes to reach hotel. He told me that he is no longer working in bar after some disagreement with owner about leaving earlier. Boys there are expected to work till end of their shift and what they do after is up to them. So it seemed had he did not contact me in beginning of month if I arrived as originally planned I would not have a chance to see him anyways unless he would be responding to my Line. We also ironed two trips to Phnom Chisor and Udong I previously planned for tomorrow and after tomorrow by his car I still want to check on his bar tonight so he suggested I have fun there and he will come to hotel at midnight He dropped me at hotel and distracted by his smile I forgot to give him his bottle which I realized in lobby but he already speed away so I texted him with apologies to a sweet response ‘ have fun in bar with boys and see you later tonight”. This time I stay in Okay Boutique hotel in small alley behind National Museum. Nice view of PP and Mekong from it’s restaurant on 15th floor. Hotel seemed to be busy with tour groups. I was given room with no less than 3 beds but not much view as it was on 3rd floor only It was already getting dark so I went to ChristianPFC’s recommended Dolce Vita restaurant for my serving of Cambodian version of chicken with cashew nuts and from there to Space Hair bar hoping to see some familiar faces. This time mostly new guys , I recalled one or two only , guy I invited to my hotel last trip was absent so I lined him to show up at least tomorrow. Bar was not busy until about 10 pm so I was holding court to three guys, then one more joined us for drinks. It was all good natured fun. One needs to remember that as soon as drink is finished your companion may feel free to leave the table so if t you want to keep them , keep buying drinks. Fortunately it’s not that expensive exercise but keep tab on what you order. I suggest you make it obvious you count drinks ordered as I was under impression I was charged for 2 or 3 more than my boys consumed unless some of them ordered something on my tab behind my back. Did not make any fuss over that , 52 $ for evening of fun seemed reasonable. Mindful I expect my guest at midnight I tipped discretely three of my companion 10$ each and left bar past 11 pm and walked toward hotel, Lined CCP as I walked to ensure him I’m there and received message he will be bit late as he had some unexpected delivery and wants to eat something before he arrives. Fine I will wait. And wait I did to a complete silence, at 12.40 I sent message I’m going to my room ( I was waiting outside ) and about 50 minutes later, quite devastated I went to bed. Yes , it was expected considering earlier antics but at least I’d expect some false excuse or something , not just silence. And considering promised tip, well above PP standards, absence was puzzling even more.

correct, on my recently purchased ( see my last trip report ) ticket Phnom Penh - BKK with VietJetAir out of 80$ price only 29 was actual airfare

now they will be his crush's shoes

correct on both counts

Day 2 P went home and I went to world famous for breakfast. With some time to kill before my dental appointment I wandered through markets in sois 10 and 5. Dental work went smoothly and they did even more than I intended to so very glad again with their service and expertise at Dr. Smile. Straight from there to Madrid Tavern for lunch with ChristianPFC . Both ladies recognized me immediately remembering I drink Chang from the bottle and my favorite pizza is shallots and cherry tomatoes. After lunch Christian went his way and I walked to hotel basking in very pleasant weather. After bit of refreshing I decided to go to Sabaidee Spa , my mainstay in Dec 2021 but neglected in last 2 trips. I hoped my favorite from there Ton will be available but he was not , when mamasan called him he admitted is bit sick . No harm done as from the back emerged guy I saw in their Line feed and was interested to meet anyways so engaged him immediately. His name is Tin and he also works in Jupiter although when I was there subsequently I did not see him. Great time together helping me to mitigate jet lag. Energized I took motorsai to Patpong 2 where I had a beer with Tiny Lao in Dragon bar. While I like him, that beer made me sleepy so I went to hotel on my way Lined ex model X if he is interested in curing my jet lag. He was but not immediately as he got drunk last night he said which must be truth as he arrived by taxi even if he has a car. First class personality, body and service as always although I could use more of his time today had he arrived earlier than he did. Excellent find anyways. Having V short time yesterday I asked him for overnight today but since he came right after work and was hungry and it was a while since my lunch , we went to Foodland and while there on his suggestion we decided to visit Fresh Boys for the show. While boys there are not my type I liked show and no doubt that point of view was shared by many since bar was full house despite being mid-week . I distributed 250 in tips and show , quite long, was still on when I , feeling sleepy and bit horny in V presence , suggested we should go. So off we went at exactly midnight. Always great time with him , no pretense, humble guy with clingy disposition but like last night I caught myself being half minded with him and another half of my mind was in Phnom Penh with CCP tomorrow.