vinapu

that made me recalling my awkward moments with two different , well rehearsed guys few trips apart. Scenarios were identical, they gladly went with me but in the room started to behave strangely . First guy was brave , I asked him "what is wrong " and answer was clear cut " you did not brush your teeth" . Second time was easier, I recalled that situation from year or two before and run to the washroom. All went well after. Now whenever I have guy in the room I brush my teeth and rinse with Listerine BEFORE we even shower. ........... I agree with you about not deserving part, I'm not as much upset as offended for taking me that lightly. I have feeling I deserve better, at least some explanation or at minimum ' no, good bye ". But also for me whole thing is mystery I'm intrigued with and if I have chance to shed some light on it I will try .

I suspect if may be a case of my dealings with Handsome Cambodian, I forgave him his antics and ever since he is better and better, we met 3 times so there's some statistic sample to back my claim up.

It's obvious that few friends who were privy to whole affair from beginning and those who commented above in the thread were / are right. Failure of the whole affair attests to that. Everybody was unanimous "cut him off" or " at this point I'd not invest any more money in him" (after that strange change flight request ) But me being stupid , did not listen and engineered my own disappointment. You guys were right and I was wrong . But it was nice to have such dream and hope and it's why I still smile, specially in view rest of trip was rewarding, thank you very much. It will be small setback but I'd say , included in price. At this moment problem of second chance is very academic. Due to personal circumstances this year 2023 is BIG question mark for me. No, I'm not in trouble but life got in the way. Chances are that out of 4 planned times I wish I could travel to Thailand (May, July , Oct and Dec ) this year none will materialize. And truth is it's not even in my control. I understand very well advices quoted above and I don't have any plans to even try to contact my Cambodian Charming Prince again. But if he would, chances are , even knowing what I know now and rich in your advices and comments I will try again. Definitely I wouldn't even try to arrange for foreign trip again, that's sure thing. Not unless I'd spend at least few days and night with guy in question, not CCP but any guy. That lesson was absorbed. But I get some explanation I'd could buy or apologies I'd find sincere I may fall into that trap of meeting him again. May be for dinner, may be for overnight, one step at the time, watching my back, yes. I too am believer in giving 2nd or even 3rd chances, again repeat case of Tawan boy , my best and 2nd worst off ever 2 years apart. And very fresh case of Handsome Cambodian described above yesterday. CCP disappointed me , milked me of some money but it's not a case of Stockholm syndrom, I did not suffer any harm. May be I would but I was careful enough to steer myself into safe waters.

that would make sense and make things easy too

by January 2024 they should be able to iron it out. If you already booked , my guess will be you are lucky or airline will pay for you in due course

I agree , hope dies last.

I guess , at least for those arriving by air , 300 will be included in price of ticket

I have no doubt he realizes unless he assessed me as cheat and lost hope that I will pay him anything but that's highly unlikely in view that after all I send him some advance money, right ? All I know is that all money I had aside for him I spent on other guys including his bar friend and I'm happy I did. I also received his picture and I'm truly glad he looks much better than when we met at the airport. Perhpas whole experience worked like bucket of cold water for him. It would be similar to what I had in October when Handsome Cambodian taken to BKK for 4 days dumped me after 1 night over dispute related to excessive phone use forfeiting 12000 . Two weeks later when I saw him he admitted that realisation of his hotheadedness and loss created caused short depression and when I offed him , he was changed man indeed. In few days we will meet him again, ( report in due course ) and he was even more hot and charming. Does it mean there's hope for me for another try at CCP ? LOL

yes , he was exactly what I needed that night, friend with benefits. If I would be looking for companion to travel in the region , indeed Sam would be candidate # 1 as he made impression he is really interested in seeing places. despite misadventure with CCP I don't hold it against whole nation and indeed had few very rewarding meetings with Cambodians this trip including my last night in Phnom Penh.

Day 6 After emotions of previous 5 days I decided to deflate a bit and take it easy. Today was day me and CCP were supposed to arrive. For a second I entertained an idea of going to Swampy and see if he arrived utilizing free ticket my courtesy but abandoned idea fast. Why bother ? And even if he did , what it would change? I wouldn’t even try to approach , even less to embarrass him. After lazy morning I left Rose and went back to Baan Silom. I liked Rose and it’s quite a option in area if price is right. Unpacking in Baan Silom I noticed my two bottles of red wine carried from home . Now, deprived option of seeing how it makes CCP horny I did not have much use of them but fortunately for the planet got idea who may utilize them and offered to gift to him , no strigs attached. Passing by soi 6 , I noticed M, former masseur on duty at Tawan is now in new 9-teen massage and promised to see him one day. Solitary lunch in Foodland at 3 pm , completely empty at that hour today and then decided to check Kman spa in Saphan Kwai. Since I had Line to one of their guys I messaged him asking if he is working today and he responded he will be on duty at 5. So at 5 I was there too. Massage as good as last time I was there and boy’s endowment was impressive considering he is quite diminutive twink but he is Myanmarese, you know ! Then some computer stuff and it was 9.50 pm when I noticed I should check some bars perhaps. From rotation it was Hot Male turn so went there, just in time for the show. Three veterans of previous offs came to greet me and one of them, Sam, I invited for a drink. I have soft spot for him ever since I took him to Grand Palace and he turned out to be truly interested in the place. I was not even in the mood for an off but wasting time is not my thing so asked him to go with me and judging by reaction it was exactly what he was waiting for. So of we went via Foodland where while he was contemplating what to order I swear waiter told him ‘ take steak , his boy last night had it and farang paid” So steak it was. Not particularly steamy night but after all that recent drama I guess I just wanted comforting warm body beside and he provided.

I got in from good authority that he is back in the bar so no, that option needs to be discounted

sure , Dragon Boys Club Chonburi will be opened in the same premises three days after Dragon Club closes, just watch

that makes me truly regretting I won't be in Bangkok at that time. Tom Yum soup stout sound intriguing indeed.

I guess fact that I arranged for trip well (about 2 weeks) before CCP even contacted me helped me to get over it fast. It would be different if I came all the way specially to be with him , that would be upsetting big time. His former bar friend was great consolator on my last night in PP , it helped too. Way it developed worst day of this trip was followed by second best if not best night. Vagaries of boy hunting ! Before I set off for PP I had a bit concern of how I keep CCP occupied in those 5 days so in some sense it was relief I don't need to worry about that too. Strange as it may sound I still like him but rest assured , not to a degree I would be pursuing him again , not to mention allowing to be manipulated in any sense. Old saying ' what doesn't kill you , makes you stronger " certainly applies here. I was thinking about keeping it for myself instead of making public how big fool I was but after giving it some thought I decided to tell story so other can learn and perhaps feel better. Most of us will still tend to think "I'm smarter and if I was vinapu I'd cut if off right away after (insert whatever moment )" I can live with being smarter than vinapu part but have some doubts if in circumstances everybody will be cutting deal off instead of trying to salvage it to reasonable degree as I tried unsuccessfully. I was not in love neither tried to be , all I was looking for was to spent week+ with guy I met and who made the best impression on me , both as person and as prime beef. Fact that he remembered our October talk and contacted me first was not only encouraging but thrilling too. So again , to quote Sophia from Golden Girls, while he turned bum, I still smile.

That is my problem, all I can do is to guess. Anyways it was fun dreaming about time together but such conclusion of the affair was in cards due to various stunts so while upset I was not that surprised , even less shocked. Just big time disappointed. Yes I picked up myself as soon as I left hotel to go back to Bangkok, boarded plane relieved it's over and as we will see , trip developed quite nicely up to the last off(s) included.

I was thinking about that , yes it's possible although in last communication he could mention is not feeling well or something. But as you say does not explain those earlier antics. If you are right perhaps one day he will contact me again with explanation but I'd figure that even if isolated he would be allowed his phone with him. But of course it's the whole face thing too.

rest assured I did

few pics from Rose hotel as it's rarely mentioned in the forum

something like that

Day 5 I did not mention I will be leaving soon and there was no need as in the morning he rushed to his day time job , just giving me enough time to have breakfast and pack up . I had that bottle of red wine I forgot to give CCP and presented her to my tuk-tuk driver who took me to airport. He was quite surprised that his quoted fare of 8 $ included getting bottle, lol. Hope he did not try it on his way back to the city. Sitting on the plane all emotions related to this affair left me , all of then sudden I realized I have 5 days free to roam fortified with 30000 baht CCP decided to leave in my pocket by pissing on our deal. At noon I was in Swampy already. Immigration was breeze. Hour later I was checking into Rose. It was my first time there and I liked what I saw. Super location in quiet corner steps from Suriwong, room with the view. Only thing I did not like was washbasin in the toilet, way too low. Clearly aimed at people much shorter than I’m. I went for a stroll and crossing Silom I spotted one of boys known to me with handsome farang. Because we exchanged few PMs on the subject of said guy I suspected I knew who farang is but they were in rush and I had blackout forgetting farang’s nick so did not stop them either. Later on fired PM to him to confirm it was him and it was a case indeed. So to 31 forum members I met I add one whom I just passed by chance, lol. G’bangkok in soi 4 was busy so I went for dinner to Happy Beer Garden greeted warmly by one of waitresses who by coincidence had birthday today as whispered by other waiter. So treated her with big bottle of Chang. Then to Hot Male beer bar, had few drinks with P , my first night stand and then decided to check Jupiter’s show. Bar was packed. As always boys were first class look but smiles lacking, nothing new here .After show and it was midnight I decided to leave passing by few their guys standing by the door including one quite muscular and handsome like hell. I was already outside when Guardian Angel pushed me back inside so I asked that guy about drink. We sat down and made deal very fast. Boy drink and off fee 950, gave mamasan 1000 baht note and couldn’t get a change so after few minutes decided to leave. If somebody will wonder why on my next visit or two at Jupiter I will not tip , there’s answer, that self service. Boy, J, was hungry and suggested modestly Foodland but inside was less modest ordering their most expensive dish, some steak. No harm done and Bon Appetit. In the room was very active and pleasant. World is coming to an end, another Jupiter off I’m so happy with. I never thought I will live that long! Too bad he did not want to stay till morning. Tipped him generously though as it was well deserved but as always I denied request for taxi money. What was supposed to be my last night in PP turned to be my first in Rose. Nice to be back in Bangkok, it took less than a day for me to get over and forget whole CCP debacle like it never happened.

no idea , I don't know those things but noticed unusually yellow eyes. It was , at end of day whole thing was covered by half full part of glass It's why I'm not bitter, as said above on recollection of first few days after he contacted me I still smile. Broadly. Sure I spend some money and it was mostly wasted as per specification above but may be it was just price for that dream. I suspect he may be losing more sleep then me over it as money he forfeited by those antics was , at least for Cambodia, substantial

I only brought one guy , on my second night but no, not a problem at all. I met him on the street in front of hotel and we entered together. Guy on reception saw us waiting for an elevator for quite a while but did not care. No problem with guest at Saravoan in Oct 2022 either , night guard just opened gate and smiled oiled with some banknote.

I like your analysis. It goes along my lines of thinking then and now. When I entered car he was clearly disappointed that I don't have that new shiny suitcase with me to a degree I was even surprised. Dark cloud going through his face was visible even if it was just second or two. Red flags were notice but I chose to take a chance and go ahead. In hindsight I should stop right there when request to change flights was made but I was not in mood to blow a deal I was dreaming about over such trivial matter. Now , after all dust settled I tend to think underscored part was his real motive. But if it was a case another question needs to be asked - why he told his former bar friend about that trip if he was not even planning to go ?

I guess you must be right. It's still puzzling me that he forfeited whole deal as from financial point of view he was bound to make quite a buck based on our agreement. Clearly not enough for him I guess though You guys may be right but something tells me it was not a reason. He could simply suggest the I should pretend I don't know him and it's what I suggested but answer was very clear ' you should go first". lesson learned. I doubt I ever will forward money before slipping my hand into boy's jeans first. It was bit costly tuition but tuition it was. When one looks at whole financial side of the affair it was not him who benefited the most but various airlines. All he got was 200 $ for shopping and 15 $ for bringing me to the hotel from airport. Total 215 ? his ticket to BKK -175 $ my second ticket when he requested separate flight 80$, my third ticket when I decided to cut my time in PP short 75 $, bottle of wine 17$, money lost on cancelling original hotel reservation 10$. Total 357 $ And so did I. Risk was calculated indeed and I understood that it's on his side as well since we never spent really time together. It's why we ironed almost everything before I even set off. When I recall those first few days after we connected and how thrilled I was then I tend to think it was still worth expense and being burdened with subsequent disappointment. Call me stupid but I still smile. Yes , overall trip was very enjoyable and that affair while disappointed me , did not spoil my fun even close to degree one could expect. As I reported above , even my last night in PP was VERY pleasant and pleasing affair.

remember what I said here 2 158 964 times, my second worst and THE BEST off ever were with the same guy two years apart. Later on we will return to that story and it will be another uplifting one about reunion with guy who dumped me in Nov over my complains about his excessive phone use and turned sweeter than honey only 3 months later.