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the do but it's between you and masseur, not between you and venue if you see they advertise something like T or B or number i.e. 54, you know you are heading to a place of your dreams

they showed now suspending PM after all. It's why I suspect he crossed spades with somebody more powerful

neither do I, some may be sniffing an opportunity and try so we need to use common sense like you said above.

I wonder what he did wrong this time ?

it may not be bad thing for a while

I don't speak Thai and like you , find Translator tiring. So only conversation possible is in English. While I can engage overnight off with guy speaking none or very little of it, for trip or longer stay with me , even day trip, I wouldn't even think about taking guy who doesn't speak at least basic English .

girls ?

I, for one, am not complaining. Not all boys I met were angels, some had problems to keep their promised side of bargain, but often improved given second chance ( I said it 127 times already my second worst off and THE BEST were with the same guy perhaps 2 trips apart ). Few enthusiastic on the first off started slacking a bit on the next one but overall picture is rosy one . It's why , like many, I keep returning and returning. Like Min , I believe money should be earned and don't send them money when they ask and needs to be said some are shockingly straightforward with their requests ( " I need 20000 baht and my account is xxxxxxx " , I'm kidding you not ) but I treat is as part of folklore. Not discounting fact they may be in genuine need, I just don't intend carry somebody else's problems on my shoulder. But at times it pays to be generous. W hen in covid time I learned guy I like is in problem on my own I sent him some money not even being sure he remembers me. Year later we met by chance in soi4 , he not only recognized me but also thanked me for the money, so obviously he valued it more than me. So at end of day guys are in it for money and we can't blame them for trying to earn it by , after all, honest means. We have our brains and from time to need to use them not to fall into entrapments skillfully set.

or even worse , KFC man as I was called on few occasions. When they call us those things they don't mean to be mean, rather thy say it matter-of-factly. That illustrates well difference - what is neutral for them , may be bit offensive for others and other way around.

and we can't wait to be subject of that entrapment again and again ! On serious note, it does happen but not too often Most boys we met are behaving professionally , providing requested service for a fee and closing door when done.

Tomm42 macaroni21 is right, impossible to be invisible in Tawan, just go, sit wherever will be free seat and enjoy, don't worry about anything, guys there are friendly. When comes to worst tell them " I like girls", they won't believe you but get the message not to pester you too much

no shortage of hotels in all price range walking distance to to Patpong area . as for stack of 100's you may want to change money at XOne on Suriwong, one or two sois past soi Tawan walking FROM Patpong. They are very accommodating with request to give few thousands in 100's . As for tipping , don't overdue it because you may become easy target which may become costly and ever more important, annoying. And I don't think I'm particularly stingy, specially in Tawan. few things to consider : if boy sits with you uninvited don't feel under pressure to buy him a drink or even less to tip him unless you want to. Show that you are not interested ( simple hand gesture will suffice) and he will go away. If he starts massaging you and you don't want it for any reason / for example you have an eye on another guy, my most likely reason / , tell him ' no' . But if you let him to continue I'd tip him that 100. If you buy him a drink , either on your own or he will talk you too, then yes, he is supposed to sit with you and you are supposed to tip him 100-200, depending of time taken, more if you guys will be more adventurous, touchy , kissy etc. if you invite boy to sit with you , then yes you are supposed to buy him a drink and tip as described above. But he is supposed to sit with you , not circulate. If he will go here and there every 5 minutes forget about tipping him , even less 100 for every 5 minutes. I'd be actually pretty pissed off. Only case I let him leave is toilet or if he he called to the scene for his rotation or participates in the show. If you decide to off that guy tonight, don't tip him for sitting with you in the bar, he will get his off tip in the room on another hand be fair to boys and if you don't intend to off him today , I'd tell him that after say, 20 minutes and if he wants, release him and tip him of course. It's perfectly acceptable and at Tawan but also in other bars few times I had somebody else sitting with me and somebody else waiting in wings in the knowledge he will be offed that night , both informed about outcome in advance. for bringing drinks I tip waiter 20 per round i.e if he brings drinks for me and a boy at the same time it's 20. If I order drink just for myself it's 20 and if later on I invite guy to sit with me it's another 20. word of caution, seasoned guys sometimes may try to invite their bar friend for a drink at your expense, feel free to say no, specially if they did not even ask you if you agree. If you are soft hearted or don't want other guy to lose face , chalk up your loss but at first opportune moment let your guy know you did not like it. Happens very rarely but it does. mamasans are known to stretch their palms and feel free to ignore those unless they act as waiters too or if they were helpful i.e calling boy not scheduled today to come because you asked about him or helped with translation etc. On another hand if you are planning to frequent particular bar more often it may be good idea to slip that 100 to mamasan at one point just in case you may need him. Contrary to what you may hear from mamasans , if you know whom you want it's nothing wrong to show up in the bar and point at the door " I want guy # 81 ", pay off fee and go with him without bothering with drinks , shows, tips etc. Of course that would work only if you clear with boy in question he will go with you. hope it helped

I was tempted to say , "lucky guys there , at least they go some rain " but I bite my tongue

my thought exactly. Actually I think I'd be offended too if , say , boy asked if I will off him, I confirmed and then he said "I was joking, can't go with you"

also some may reson that they did not fly half world to exotic destination in order to socialize with people their own nationality or culture so they may appear unsocial while their 'seclusion' is just by design. in years of soi twilight one of our members, my compatriot , reported he will be in Bkk at the same time like me. When I suggested we can meet, he politely declined to a tune cited above which I fully understood and did not press the issue.

not if one liked Hero or later MyHero boys in the same soi

precisely what I did in December

also ABomb in the next soi and Xboys as well as Dreamboys in next soi again, Pikky bar is host bar other 5 are go-go have fun !

that's the main thing I hold against Thai bars with very few exceptions

that's part of vacation fun , no ?

you are correct but realistically speaking, we are very small niche and even at that , only some are inclined to party in bars to wee hours. Perhaps those doctors are not entirely wrong ? Before covid biggest arrivals were from China , Russia and India. Did those nationals really crowded Patpong , Walking Street and soi Bukhao bars?

yes , specially BL series !

if that's the case it will be nice, improved formula of end times. Yes , smiles at Jupiter are appearing more often and I found resident twink at Tawan quite attractive. Even attempted to off him but he declined , presumably being primed by other boys , saying "I can't do long time because I have a job"

yes, I think boys at Jupiter are doing their walk every 1/2 hour and then disappear to the sides, sometimes trying to make an eye contact during that interval though. In December one even smiled at me and I thought I have stroke or something. Rewarded him with an off few days later

really ? only thing I'd be carry more are perhaps prescription drugs. Otherwise if we need something , all can be bought in Thailand anyways, often cheaper than at home . few people would take 2 month supply of say, shirts, for longer trip so why bother with 10 if 3 will do? back to laundry in the sink, more often though