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like with every dying business, it's shortage of customers which lead to Sunee strangulation. Some where chased away by drug raids, others by underage raids, biology did it's part, closure of shisha bars could add up ,general unattractiveness and relative seclusion (although in my eyes that 's the bonus ) of the area did not help. Jomtien Complex provided strong alternative, add apps as last blow . For me and other guys liking older, more muscular guys it was also lack of suitable hiring material also it needs to be admitted I had fun in Good Boys , Krazy Dragon, Eros , Nice Boys and Winners. But Boyztown , itself area with own set of troubles wins every time I'm in Pattaya.

don't let nasty manager deprive you chance of enjoying his guys. Just ignore him

Crowne Plaza Silom did not have mandatory Christmas dinner last Christmas but it means nothing when comes to this year's one. So like Gaybutton suggest, better check in advance although I know few people who were participating in those pre-covid in some Chiang Mai and Bangkok hotels and they found it good value so it's not necessary a bad way to spend money

you meant "does not do money boys" , right ?

if one is first time may not know where BS starts or indeed may not even recognize BS at all. Take me on my first trip back in 2001. I thought I came well prepared but somehow I did not get distinction between short and long time off. So I took boy from non -existing Up to You bar to Suriwong hotel's short time rooms and after hour or two of fabulous time I gave him what I read was generous tip of 2000. I can hear his squeak to this day as then 2000 was indeed generous long time tip. Nobody tricked me , I did it for myself but still self inflicted BS it was And of curse thaiophilus above is 100 % right, confrontation is not good strategy in Thailand, you will have everybody against you.

Thank you for recommendations but stay on the subject, question was about tacky, not high quality souvenirs, LOL

don't be too harsh, after all Orange Overlord lost his job not in the coup but by electoral means. But yes, I'd call it " manipulative democracy "

that would be a case when you are taking guy from his place or work during scheduled hours but even than 2000 seems to be excessive for just 1 hr

while you may be correct, reason it's new one for you is that, as you say, you don't take boys from those kind of places. While not universal, I heard it few times in Dec and in May , mostly in BKK and I'm pretty sure I also did before covid. It may be guy's own initiative or indeed bar's suggestion or even requirement. I don't know but it's not new. And boys are still willing to amend that quote. On another hand we need to keep in mind that if they are paying off mamasan , if he lowers tip likely even less money stays in his pocket after that "pimping fee". It's many things going on which we don't know because guys don't tell us , even if asked. I know guy who changed venues exactly for reason of mamasan trying to extort too high cut. not disputing what you said but what it really means " not the best lookers ". Over years I visited many places in company of our members and I know one thing for sure. They are guys I'm salivating over other will run screaming from and other way around. Second , not the best lookers indeed may have other advantages when comes to their work being enthusiastic tops, skilled bottoms and great kissers or just have great attitude, not to mention sizable and shapely endowment. As many of us learned at great expense , at times great looking guys are somehow lacking in customer service department.

I second that although 1500 for long time , while obtainable is rather on lower side i.e. not universally accepted. as for underscored sentence, I have my doubt whether you correct. as reported in my May report, I had Bangkok guy LT and in the morning when I gave him his 3000, he gave me 1000 back saying 'that's too much " . Somehow I forced that 1000 on him and offed him 2 times more subsequently. But he is not a bar boy.

it would. My dream off , never realized so far for few reasons is just hand holding session. Even when I tried it always turned to hand holding something other than guy's hand

tell me something I don't know, LOL

Patpong Night market may be not reinstated yet but in the evening there are still some souvenir stands along Silom between hospital and former Robinson. Tourist Boat piers near Grand Palace and Khaosan are good hunting grounds as well as Grand Palace vicinity toward National Museum and KhaoSan herself Sukhumvit in the evening between sois 3 and 21 too during daytime markets at Silom soi 8 and on opposite side in soi 5 may have some I saw few souvenir stands on Convent in between all those food stands Plenty souvenirs in New Twilight, Tawan, Moonlight, FreshBoys, DreamBoys, HotMale, Banana Club and Jupiter but I'd not call them tacky and are rather on expensive side compare to tuk-tuk above

proud to admit that I took your advice on Mar 23 -1997 and ever since I made very few exceptions, Reagan and John Paul II funerals and few soccer finals

yes and I'm grateful for your recommendation, gooD guy he is and one of those who look handsome even if fully dressed

not everything , just guys

issue with bottoming may be size of client, on few occasions boys, when asked told me they would bottom but only for small size

I see, but gained some weight though

double post

I like guy holding sign STOP , one with AGAINST is not bad too

For sure they do and such unfortunate occurrences , hopefully very rare, are, so to speak , included in price. Sometimes it's other way around too, "I do everything " claimed in bar but not really so in the room or requesting high minimum tip in massage but providing strictly massage service with non-exisiting extras ( my case last trip ). But those are exceptions , not rules, the same like rain in dry season. As for requesting payment up front I'd not mind although in Thailand immediately I was suspicious as it's not how is done (yet ?)

I had that before from different boys and different bars so it may be bar policies indeed. This is the way bars are trying to take care about their employees and prevent them from undercutting each other I guess. If fee expected is too high nothing stops us from trying to bargain it down, the same way we are not stopped from tipping higher than quoted. 1500 , while sensible , in Pattaya is not competitive with what boys from apps may be happy with though but as we all know advantage of bar is that we know whom we are taking home so it warrants a bit of premium. Way boy responded to conversation ( immediate justification ) shows that he may think fee is on higher side. I like way Min conducted that interview, short, brief "yes or no" without killing fun by excessive exchange. I try to do the same way each time.

by the way, how she is doing ?

not size of regular kitchen , more of Buckingham Palace kitchen, but , yes about half size of previous location

I can't say I feel sorry for him though , on both accounts , age and fee stiffing