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of course they are, otherwise why they would be presenting their wares to mostly male audience ? I always have my doubts how straight really those guys are

don't take it personally but this is common excuse for Cheap Charlies. I don't think we need any excuse for not giving money to somebody we barely know. We also don't need excuse if we decided to respond to request, it's all between us and a boy in question. Problem is not to get entrapped in barrage of constant requests like you were with that Patong guy. Then only thing that would work is either to block contact or liberally use phrase " I can't" without going to too much explanation.

since few of us can afford helping 9 boys at time I guess Gaybutton's advice applies more widely. I rarely share contacts and in cases I did , can't say is abused but yes, money requests are coming at least once from at least half on contacts , usually shortly after I left Thailand. My answer is usually " when we met I did what I could then"

In Western Union you still need at least his name, no ? OP wanted surprise

nobody asked me but I do : wake up, take shower , brush teeth, shave, have breakfast and go from there

Dreamboys, Tawan , Hot Male and Fresh Boys in Bangkok. Moonlight and Jupiter have shows too but on more tame side so don't expect to see naked flesh, even less erections there.

until they abandon that nonsensical zero covid policy it's better to stay away from China unless you fancy to get stuck in quarantine for couple weeks somewhere just because they find one case in city you happen to be

I agree with both of you 127.84 % but that's solution when we are present in person to give that money. When we somewhere far logistics of sending money may be more difficult ( we may need boy's full name , perhaps also copy of ID and address or bank accout details ) are more complex than going to specialized website and asking them to deliver basket of goods to say Eak at Good Boys bar , Sunee plaza , Pattaya

Nice Boys - next door types on a bit of rough but adventurous side. Shy types don't need apply there

that classic example of cultural difference. While in many places most likely both boy and you would laugh if off and moved on, Thai boy took it as offensive. As consolation , I had similar exchange with one of Tawan boys , replace " cute " with "I like you". Fortunately he took my "I don't like you THAT much " better, most likely because he knew me from the bar visits before and could have word or two about me from his bar friends. Subsequently I even offed him few times.

What's weird about trying to make boy happy at very modest cost? Isn't it reason good enough ? I once sent money to guy I learned was in trouble at that time. He did not ask me about anything and I offed him only once before. I just liked way he was trying to get himself out of his hole by taking very low job so decided to help , expecting nothing in exchange. Or one may say just to feel good myself. And I did when two years later he recognized me passing by in soi 4

covering their enemy's coffin, yes. Otherwise I'm not so sure. I'd not sent flowers to a guy unless I knew he liked an idea. Specially to a guy from another culture where it may have different meaning than in our societies ( I'm making it up but on another hand I grew up in culture than giving even number of flowers like 2,4 or 6 was bad form so who knows what other societies invented). Another thing to consider is economy - boy may have better use of more practical items like gift basket or even motorcycle than aesthetic items like flowers, unless of course his enemy just died. Reader is right about buying face, this is most precious part of ichigo's idea in boys' eyes, I'm sure

and then they returned to their countries and are paying for simple lunch more that for that lavish Christmas dinner without second thought. You are right about having reason to be upset with such a surprise, on another hand I recall seeing on booking sites information about mandatory Christmas or New Year's Eve dinners so "surprise" claim may not be warranted

you already know as boy told you he is happy with your tip. That's what I'd tip too. I tip 1000 for 1 hr , 1500 for 1.50 hr unless minimum tip is higher which may be a case is some places in BKK ( VCK, JeySpa, not sure about Senso post covid ) If shop had minimum tip policy they would let you know in advance but I don't think it's a case in Jomtien.

you or somebody else recently voiced similar concern in another thread I guess. Your Singaporean friend most likely overpaid but if he liked boy and experience nothing wrong with that. I rather pay 10000 and be happy then find somebody for 2000 who turns out to be low skilled sand bag. Being quoted 20000 is overboard but it may happen and come to realization, after all 4 off at 5000 equals 1 off at 20000 and only boy would know if that makes sense for him or not. I think it was fishing. None of us flies to BKK to pay that much and very few to pay that 10000. My last LT offs from there were 3000 in Dec and 5000 in May. In both cases guys were not in bar so I asked mamasans to bring them over. In 3000 case it was my offer after his 'up to you " answer to my question about his fee. 5000 was quoted by boy and I accepted right away because I liked him. Like reader above, I think each boy has his own rate depending of his popularity, client , phase of moon and so on. Nothing is written in stone though and may be negotiated. If guy is open to negotiation given day depends of the same criteria I listed. I met my '5000 ' guy before and then LT was out of question, even ST he was somewhat apprehensive with all that girls in audience but luckily changed his mind post-covid as we can see. in my opinion 5000 is a maximum, specially for untested guy, even in Jupiter, Moonlight or Tawan. If you have hots for guy you may go for more but be prepared to be disappointed. Alternative is to meet him ST first and see if you clicked There are few guys in various places I adore but none warranting more than that fee IMHO. 5000 is a lot of money and it's still easy to find somebody suitable for 3000, perhaps even 2500. Keep that in mind when you get too hot under the collar. When boy asks for more and is not yielding , tell him politely that 5000 or whatever is all you can pay and stick to that. Don't tell him (face !!! ) he is too expensive or that you can find guy for less. Tip him for his time and move on. Don't hold it against him , he knows better what his financial position is and may stick to his quote the same way we stick to ours. Next time you are in bar he may smile at you which will be good sign to try once more or will ignore you which means your offer was too low indeed. Be firm but polite and keep negotiations to minimum in order not to kill the fun. My rule is max 3 strikes "his quote, my quote, his quote, yes or no" or " my quote, his quote, my quote, yes or no" Keep in mind that quote from reader above The guy you like will have a price range in mind and you should, too.

but getting to Luang Prabang from Vientiane or other way around all of the sudden become cheaper than flying and much faster than bus

like with every dying business, it's shortage of customers which lead to Sunee strangulation. Some where chased away by drug raids, others by underage raids, biology did it's part, closure of shisha bars could add up ,general unattractiveness and relative seclusion (although in my eyes that 's the bonus ) of the area did not help. Jomtien Complex provided strong alternative, add apps as last blow . For me and other guys liking older, more muscular guys it was also lack of suitable hiring material also it needs to be admitted I had fun in Good Boys , Krazy Dragon, Eros , Nice Boys and Winners. But Boyztown , itself area with own set of troubles wins every time I'm in Pattaya.

don't let nasty manager deprive you chance of enjoying his guys. Just ignore him

Crowne Plaza Silom did not have mandatory Christmas dinner last Christmas but it means nothing when comes to this year's one. So like Gaybutton suggest, better check in advance although I know few people who were participating in those pre-covid in some Chiang Mai and Bangkok hotels and they found it good value so it's not necessary a bad way to spend money

you meant "does not do money boys" , right ?

if one is first time may not know where BS starts or indeed may not even recognize BS at all. Take me on my first trip back in 2001. I thought I came well prepared but somehow I did not get distinction between short and long time off. So I took boy from non -existing Up to You bar to Suriwong hotel's short time rooms and after hour or two of fabulous time I gave him what I read was generous tip of 2000. I can hear his squeak to this day as then 2000 was indeed generous long time tip. Nobody tricked me , I did it for myself but still self inflicted BS it was And of curse thaiophilus above is 100 % right, confrontation is not good strategy in Thailand, you will have everybody against you.

Thank you for recommendations but stay on the subject, question was about tacky, not high quality souvenirs, LOL

don't be too harsh, after all Orange Overlord lost his job not in the coup but by electoral means. But yes, I'd call it " manipulative democracy "

that would be a case when you are taking guy from his place or work during scheduled hours but even than 2000 seems to be excessive for just 1 hr

while you may be correct, reason it's new one for you is that, as you say, you don't take boys from those kind of places. While not universal, I heard it few times in Dec and in May , mostly in BKK and I'm pretty sure I also did before covid. It may be guy's own initiative or indeed bar's suggestion or even requirement. I don't know but it's not new. And boys are still willing to amend that quote. On another hand we need to keep in mind that if they are paying off mamasan , if he lowers tip likely even less money stays in his pocket after that "pimping fee". It's many things going on which we don't know because guys don't tell us , even if asked. I know guy who changed venues exactly for reason of mamasan trying to extort too high cut. not disputing what you said but what it really means " not the best lookers ". Over years I visited many places in company of our members and I know one thing for sure. They are guys I'm salivating over other will run screaming from and other way around. Second , not the best lookers indeed may have other advantages when comes to their work being enthusiastic tops, skilled bottoms and great kissers or just have great attitude, not to mention sizable and shapely endowment. As many of us learned at great expense , at times great looking guys are somehow lacking in customer service department.