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off yes, he always complains that I never offed him so obviously he is available and longs for my business, what makes you thinking you don't have a chance if I do ? As for karaoke, ask him if he likes an idea as my experience with boys taken to places is , they not always are fascinated by what we are. Why you would be dragging such good looking guy to karaoke instead right to the room via perhaps restaurant is mystery for me but what old KFC man knows about you youngsters ?

glad to learn that I'm such an exception on both counts. With one exception I spent much more time in Bkk than Pattaya ( last trip ratio of nights 16:4 ). Main reason I like Bangkok better is daytime activities, I'm not a bitch (beach? ) person and don't like much of the sea because I find water too wet so during day in Pattaya I kind of struggle to find suitable activities while in Bangkock just strolling down the street provides an entertainment and eye candy to no end not to mention wats , parks, palaces and at the top -cruise along Chao Praya river. Z909 is right , budget goes further in Pattaya both on the flesh pleasures and hotels. Bangkok has more hunks for me to chase but Pattaya share is usually sufficient . What bothers me at times is compactness of the scene, you off one guy and next day you get a LOOK from guy you offed day before. I did not notice any differences in attitude or friendliness, there are great guys in both places with occasional dud thrown to raise blood pressure As for food, Bangkok and Bangkok only has 7 1/2 stars Foodland Patpong. I have forum friends in both places and glad to meet them anytime I'm there if only our timing will align, last trip missed Gaybutton and Biguyby in Pattaya and Christian PFC in Bangkok. For me both places are like tea and coffee, some like this , others that, many drink both in different times of day, no right or wrong

both are offable like all staff in that bar although behind the counter guys may be available only after hours

I'm sure you will like new roof

obviously not since they are still throwing that insult at me with abundance

like Red Planet with room of similar size to Quarters. modern and well maintained

not that you care but from all boy places in Bangkok I like soi 4 the least with sole exception of G'Bangkok German restaurant and even this perhaps because it's at soi's mouth so no need to go deeper.

ok, ok, I gave up , lol

and Hot Male host bar downstairs runs second

and promptly report your findings please

they may be ordered by managament to join if client is well paying regular. Years ago I had similar case in Tawan, boy abandoning me to drink with another guy

so they started that BS of reserving seats again !

sorry, how do you know? as it was past midnight, perhaps one boy was just invited to join them for late dinner ?

reading jason's narrative I wanted to say the same but you were first, benefits of time difference , LOL But yes, we should leave our pre-conceived notions about straight / gay issue ( how straight is straight guy making himself available to men in a boy bar? ) There are tiny twinks who will be top only and hunks who bottom because they like. So yes, ask discretely and if you don't like the answer , try again next time.

tie 1:1 I , like you rather go with the flow and see what happens, not only for fear that prolonged itemization or haggling may kill the fun but also from experience I know that situation behid closed door is at times dynamic and it goes both ways, sometimes boys reneges on promises, sometimes it other way around. One guys I offed last trip was "no kissing' when I asked in the bar ( I always do ask to avoid issues with unwanted kiss ) , just a bit (nit noi ) after round of Listerine and then Chang in the rooom and quite a kissssssssssss, then another in the morning. For Listerine issue , after running through all available things on the market I'm firmly with z909 and yes for me is the best, specially original one. In my daily backpack I always carry a small bottle when about the city as one never knows when hunky masseur in front of shop may appear (boy, hot in here, lol). Some shops provide one in the shower but it's usually diluted.

correct, I shave every time I hit bars and sometimes during day as well. I do that for the boys not only because tickle issue but also close hug tends to leave red marks on some bodies so wife/ girlfriend / boyfriend may be alarmed when in doubt , i take his hand , run by my face and ask if he wants be to shave for him, after all it's only minute or less.

I only repeat what he told me, I did not dwell on the issue who his clients are , what counted for me was that he was happy enough to continue working

Day 4 No problems with early rising and rinsing, at 7.30 on the dot we entered world famous , jimbill joined us there and after breakfast we hailed taxi and went to the Grand Palace. Taxi from Silom was less than 100 .There is some construction so we circulated a bit to find entrance , they made sure we are not wearing shorts. Tickets are 500 , Thais free. Since S is Cambodian I paid for his ticket. Visit was a treat, just like private tour due to early hour and sparse crowds. Even Emerald Buddha temple we had almost to ourselves. We were also pleased with S as he clearly was interested in sights , tried to explain to us some motives and rituals. That was pleasant contrast with last time I was there with a guy who couldn’t wait until we go back. Wat Po with Reclining Buddha is walking distance but ever stylish we took tuk-tuk to take us there, 50 baht for good start of the day for driver. The same situation , few visitors, while in normal times seeing Reclining Buddha is testing patience, fact well testified by signs on the floor ‘wait here” and so on. Us three and perhaps two Japanese girls was all crowd in the grand hall with statue. Instead taxi or MRT ( Sanam Luang station nearby is very impressive ) we decided to go by the river to walked to a Wat Arun ferry nearby. They made us waiting 15 minutes so we had some beer and S called him Mom in Cambodia proudly showing her farangs he was guide of , at least this is how he presented us I presume. Don’t believe he said ,”mom , tonight I slept with that grey haired guy in glasses, he snores like saw mill “. Ferry is whole 4 baht , 25% rise from Decemver when I paid only 3. From Wat Arun we took tourist boat to Saphan Taksin at 50 a piece for single trip and there by BTS to Silom where we parted our ways. Than you both gentlemen for such interesting trip. Jet lag is still there so I had some rest in the room, went to change money as at those tip rates is almost daily ritual, did some laundry and at dark to soi 4 for my daily schnitzel .I truly don’t like soi 4 and never did but somehow this trip I’m frequenting it daily, shame on me. After dinner to Hot Male downstairs bar for chat with paulsf, jimbill and bar boys there with Alex behind the counter and tiny Laotioan clingy as always. From my rotation today was supposed to be Jupiter day so it’s where we went to feast on their handsome guys , in process to get frozen and deaf at the same time. A/C was set waaaaaaaaaaaaay too low and sound volume waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high. We had out drinks , watched the show and parade of their semi-gods looking great and even greater but lacking smiles as always but due to noise it was impossible to say and hear the word so with great relief we left that noisy Arctic and I went to Tawan . I wanted to off Dum who fortunately was available and I sensed , upon seeing me full of hope today will be his turn. It was late so not much time in bar, drink , off fee and off we went to Raya. Since I offed him few times in the past he had all advantages of known quality. Wanted 4000, I offered 3000, he reluctantly but wisely agreed . Why wisely ? Because that was max I ordered myself to offer for tonight. K, hero of my first night no doubt told him what he got as they are friends and hailing from the same city but muscle beats belly any time in my books and he knew it. But there are very few babies in the world who have such silky skin Dum has. So I finished day 4 holding 30 y.o. baby in my arms.

some? I'd think all of them

and best body IMHO

I-Come massage on Suan Plu still alive , spruced and kicking

I'll stick with Raya or Baan Silom

who quoted you ? mamasan or guys themselves ? I'd never get mamasan involved in price negotiation unless befriended him before as they tend to inflate prices and then press guys to share the spoils. That's most common explanation I hear when I ask guys why they changed bars or massage joint Based on my experience you did right thing by declining. I went for it and it did not really worked out as I dreamed, report in few days this is how market economy works. On another hand even 1 off per week at 5000 is still 20000 per month

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