vinapu

people mention that quite often and I wonder if I have good luck or them have bad one. Serious very rarely I have that kind of problem and I have LT almost every night when there. And I'm rather early riser if only in order to catch that discounted breakfast at Foodland before 9 to save 16 baht ( 65 vs. 81) Even with that my problem seems to be reverse - boy wanting to leave too early which is always upsetting me ( 2 cases last trip ). For me long time is till breakfast whether he goes with me or not

that's their problem

I know that feeling, strangely I had that only on approach of Arena and Senso, but not other places. Be brave next time

no need for prejudices or preconceived notions. First my comment to z909 you quoting was not sarcastic at all. We met several times, visited few bars together and both of us know that we are not competing with each other. What he likes I don't, what I like z909 runs away from. It doesn't stop of having fun going to bar together if only to tell mamasans pushing for off to give that fake excuse " not today , I have boyfriend with me", nobody believes but message ' get lost ' is received with smile. ( If I go alone , I tell them " I like girls" with the same effect ) Second , if I'm able to hang out with spoon or 18past19 what makes you thinking we can't handle each other. Third , I'm least competitive person you never met and can assure you that I will yield to you 11 times out of 10 so please , after you. Only exception will be if I tell you up front ' if we go to Sexy Boys bar and XYX will be there , he is mine " So next time we are together on BKK or Pattaya don't be afraid to hang together with almost invisible quiet church mouse Vinapu , of course if you wish. I already met 27 members over the years and did not bite anybody. Actually I think hunting for boys together is more fun.

next time just do what I do- drink beer straight from the bottle or have a shot of gin/whisky/ vodka / whatever. Ice is nothing more than water and only dilutes taste of whatever you drink

both explanations make much sense but there's third one- each of them is talking to own friends on Facebook or Line. Unfortunately view of boring boy sitting with farang who doesn't pay any attention to him is not that unique

I like that farang and boy sitting beside each other and both glued to their phone, strong romantic bond indeed

# 1 leave him alone but if you happen to pass by do not pretend you don't know him, just act normal, smile, buy food and move on. If you hear from him in the future , be straightforward with what you are looking for # 2 first meeting act cool , straight but smiley-friendly, 2nd attempt , day or two later, don't waste time and hint him you like him.

right after second NO I'd say

doubled post, I'm sorry

I'm not saying no, but not this trip as it was my last night in Pattaya and I returned to Bangkok as we learn when I post next day later today (or tomorrow for those who are in different time zone ). While I liked those two multi boys nights I must state that my preference is still one on one . Multi boys may be more fun but one on one is more romantic. That gives me idea for next time if they still be there and I find them still attractive - dinner together than drinking in the room for fun part , then boys sent away with exception of one designated to be romantic partner for that night. Why I say " if I find them still attractive " ? This is a life . I don't meant particularly those three but most likely most of us experienced it in the past . Guy we salivated about last trip , all of the sudden doesn't seem to be so glorious now even if nothing changed. Or even worse - he doesn't seem to pay any attention to us, avoiding even eye contact or pretending we never met. Of course it works both ways, guy previously overlooked now shines like a star and one who sported blank eye then, now is all smiles and winks. Actual off seems to be often breaking point. I used to have big hots for certain model offed him twice despite some antics on first off and only after 2nd time when those antics were repeated I realized that hots are gone for good. On another hand X featuring in my trip stories never paid any attention to me when he was in bar to extend then in order to off him I searched help of another member but after first , somewhat forced off we hit it on with multiple repeats. No double my handsomeness is the factor, otherwise what it could be ?

Must be battery low or something

perhaps it's result of improving life standards and better, often too good, nutrition? Pattaya seems to be better for your preferences, specially Jomtien Complex. And as we know, disaster for one is blessing for other ( I like visiting bars with you as we are sure not to compete for the same guy)

welcome to the forum and sorry to hear you had bad luck with all 4 bars you visited. But let's be honest if somebody has to have bad luck in them it's better you than me. Vaughn is right, try Fresh Boys other time as it seems to have most of your types. How I know? It's only bar I did not off from on my last trip and I like opposite type than you i.e. hunky guys with preferably axe murderer face if available. Don't listen to advice of my friend z909 and visit every bar, including Tawan , Moonlight, New Twilight and BananaClub, You never know what you find and whom you will like (resident twink at Tawan is very easy on the eye IMHO although may be tad too big for you but twink he is ) Check Hot Male beer bar on soi level, few hosts there may suit your taste Situation in bars is dynamic and selection varies from day to day and time of evening too, some boys are taken early and come back from engagements later on. as for presence of ladies keep in mind all bars we are talking about are boy bars , not gay bars so expect girls in them , Their money helps bar to stay afloat too , they may bother you at times but it's the same with for example chain smoking or drunk gays. Don't be discouraged by first evening and try again. Apps may be your salvation but in bars you have real display and smile if any , not possibly outdated pictures

most massage places have it just to ensure boy is properly compensated . It also indicates that more than massage is available. In some places I noticed boys have their individual minimum tip. Don't assume that for minimum tip you can do with him whatever you want, some will offer just hand job, some will go all the way but is always will be more than just a massage. I use my own rate 1000 / hr, 1500/1.5 hr but if minimum tip is higher I pay higher rate. ( I see spoon answered thread at the same minute so hope I'm not repeating what he says)

sounds like Jupiter

I see an advantage to such situation as you had most day for your self with option of returning to the room and cuddling to the boy at any time but I agree, it's not workable for longer term , day or three , yes but after that I'm not surprised you lost your patience. After all , like one of Tawan boys nicked Bos once remarked in the morning in our Raya room when I asked him if he got good sleep : ' no , but you are not paying me to sleep". Too bad two fabulous guys on my last trip did not know they rule and ruined my dreams ( still to be reported )

better not considering that saints on icons are mostly dead and I don't even start with me being saint. as for comparison of Bangkok and Pattaya parts of trip, yes Pattaya was more adventurous with all those crowded beds but Bangkok guys were more hunky so at end of day I think I liked Bangkok better, no surprise here.

Day 11 Bay View restaurant was not opened yet so for breakfast we went by baht bus all the way to Kiss and despite early ( for Pattaya ) hours they were quite busy, in fact I think we took last free table. We parted ways after that , I went again to exchange money, what else at such a pace and to Internet café to catch with my e-mails. Then some aimless wandering here and there. Early afternoon I took motorsai , just for sake of supporting economy ( 60 baht) to Jomtien Complex to see Nara in his shop for good bye 1.5 hr massage. Driver dumped me on the main road and while passing by in one of massage shops I noticed quite handsome and muscly , heavily tattooed hunk and took note of his presence just in case. But I kept my plan , had massage with Nara, tipped him 2000 as it was our last meeting this trip and invited him for a meal to French restaurant on the corner as I wanted to taste that duck leg mentioned yesterday. It was great but not better than one I’m making I noted proudly. After meals we kissed out good bye, Nara is not shy guy. He went to his shop and I went to look for songtaew but recalled that handsome masseur and decided to see if he is still there. He was so I just motioned and we went inside for another massage, session was good, he was muscular and well endowed , kissy, huggy but there was something I did not like –strange odor coming from his skin. Not smell, not even unpleasant but it bothered me. No idea what it could be – soap, some skin cream or other cosmetic, diet, result of taking some medication or substance , whatever it was , it spoiled my experience. I did not say anything, tipped him my normal rate 1000 / hr and went home bit disappointed as he was prime material for a night long session. Oh well , I need to find some substitution. And I got an idea who it will be, P and R from my first night in Pattaya and yesterday party in Dreamboys. So I freshened up, shaved and went to Pickety for people watching. My yesterday’s guy was busy with guests but it was Ok as my mind was fixed. After finishing beer changed sides to BBB, ordered some drink and asked mamasan about my guys. There weren’t there yet but he assured me they will come as they are at the gym. Oiled with 100 baht tip , he even called them to confirm. P showed soon , R bit later. L , our companion 2 night ago seeing what is going on stopped by hoping he will be third but ‘just two tonight “ I said , consoled him with red note, paid 1000 off fee and off we went to Bay View for a dinner passing by Suwit shop. He was not there but was keeping watchful eye from somewhere because soon after we sat down for a meal I got Line message ‘ two boys tonight my Casanova “ from him. In 7/11 we stocked on few beers and went to the room. Both are very talkative , P more on shy side , R quite opposite , undressed right away as he explained he doesn’t like chain of dress when inside. They told me a lot about their lives and friendship and at one point, I swear it was not my idea, P asked if his brother B whom we met last evening in Dreamboys can join. Holly molly thought I but of course agreed, in few minutes phone rung and P went to pick him up downstairs. He looked even more handsome than yesterday and perhaps most manly of them three , explained by age difference. Thankfully we were well stocked with beer and also few snacks so we feed him and fun continued until time came to go to bed. I had 2 spare towels so showering was no problem but to keep things civilized I suggested I will shower with each of them separately. After all we have two brothers here. Other guys were familiar with procedure from 2 days ago, B, last in line to get wet was visibly shy, I sense he must be new in the business and never showered with customer before but he soldiered on with smile. When we emerged it looked that other two boys not only made some order on the table after all that drinks and snacks but also thought well about bed arrangement reserving right half of bed for us two latecomers. That way brothers were separated by R and me , eliminated any brotherly awkwardness in such a situation. No , we did not have any foursome, that would be gross. I had three guys with me to enjoy their company one by one so obviously at one point I switched places with R in order for P not to feel abandoned or discriminated . In process I understood what it means to sleep with the phone, R literally was clutching his all night. It was fun and thanks to mutual co-operation and understanding we avoided anything we possibly could feel uneasy about recalling it later. Sure R emerged in the morning from under the sheets sporting glorious erection but from reaction of other two it was clear he is not shy in their room either , they all live together in one room with one more guy who I understand doesn’t work in a bar. Morning distribution of tips ended such fabulous day 11, they declined offer of breakfast saying that they have food at home they want to eat otherwise it may be unusable later. Thank you my glorious boys I thought after they left, what a night !

I'm early riser for two reasons, first longer your day on vacation , longer your vacations are. Second, I usually have guy beside me and like some romantic exercises before going for a breakfast. I don't sleep during day unless jet lag forces me to , but even that will be 1-3 hours nap max. depending on companion or lack of him ( rarely ) I go to bed between 12 and 2 . While in civil life I'm party man in Thailand I prefer one on one encounters so partying till , say 3 or 5 is out of question. That's to answer question you had. Now advice you even did not ask for : Avoid any routine on vacation as after while it will be boring, catch the day and do what you feel like doing at the moment, vacations are not to be spent checking watch all the time. If you wake up at 4 am and feel like not sleeping , wake up and have early morning stroll, you will be surprised how different familiar streets are. If you feel like sleeping till noon, don't feel guilty you did even if you lost good chunk of vacation day. They did not give World Heritage designation to Foodland Patpong for nothing , you can have breakfast there at 2 pm as well as 2 am. Nearly 60 and old fart ? What KFC man should say ? Dead already 😄?

traveler ?

so some have fun ignoring greedy boys and others paying them overpriced fees as long as you take vitamin D regularly you will be OK

right ! It was time when I was one of them , LOL I even know somebody who offed him very recently and is extremely satisfied with experience. Different people are looking for different things , be it muscle, bulge, ass, face , personality, bed or massage skills and any combination of those. Even with our own preferences at times we can be in the mood to spice life with change. Certain KFC man likes hunks but is known to off twinks , even up to three a bed as was seen kissing with very diminutive Lao guy. Over year I dragged few members , known twink lovers to Tawan, some run away screaming , some surprised themselves with liking the experience even if not necessarily guys on display there. Sure Min has a point , what kind of model chubby guy is ? , but all that model game at Moonlight is just a spectacle , not a talent agency jamboree.

thanks for clarification, 21000 looked like multi day commitment which is entirely possible. As we see , not all customers are afraid to pay up front, my guess will be customer is more kind of regular for the boy.

21000 or it was supposed to be 2000 ? I guess with money already transferred boy did not have a chance than accept an order, still I'd be upset being in your place. Strange kind if solidarity if others also backed up, this I wouldn't like even more , nor surprised that you were close to give up. That the danger of patronizing the same bar or guys too often, some are tempted to take us for granted. Butterflying has it's advantages