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in my opinion your way of thinking is correct in both paragraphs above. At end of day it's up to you to assess deal as good for you and up to boy to assess it as good for him. make sure he enjoys all that partying in gay nighlife venues as he will have invisible mark on his forehead " I'm whore hired by that farang". Clear it with him up front. the same with fancy restaurants and other places. Some boys may like it , others not that much. How I know ? Because one of my guys once told me that in plain language only replacing word 'whore' with 'bar boy'. Other thing you should mind is expenses. Guy may be thrilled you treat him to say 2186 baht dinner, other may think or even tell you " that was waste , we could have dinner for 1/3 of it and 2/3 you saved we could split in half". Third issue to consider is what my maternal grandmother described as 'poor people can't afford cheap things " . If your boy will feel he was underpaid he may be pressing you for extra bonus at end and / or some gifts every time you pass by fancy mall or store. So hold to your offer firm, been there done that, last time as recently as 5 weeks ago.

I visited each bar once in early Nov, Freshboys was packed for the show that night to extend some farang moved a bit to create sitting space for me. Dreamboys was also quite good patronized. Hot Male so, so, may be 10 clients but at least 3 offs( one of them double, just reported in another thread)during my time there. Perhaps all that "bars are expensive , apps are cheaper" ( I'm not saying false ) propaganda is seeping into clients ears and bars are being abandoned one by one ? But with boys fully or at least half dressed it may be their fate. Only bar where guys are wearing just undies if that much- Tawan seems to be well patronized although considering their new size it's not tall order to make it crowded.

you got it right, we mostly discuss tip to high, no too low. but I have similar ,not as drastic story from BBB. I had hots for some guy, offed him few times and went early to off him again. He was sitting and drinking with some Oriental lady already. I tried to outwait her , then watched the show and probably past midnight gave up , taking another guy hoping mine got offed or at least tipped handsomely. Next day I return , he was available and took him home. told him about waiting and asked him about off and tip. Answer was no off and 100 ( one hundred) baht for being prevented from off for whole evening. He lost 1900 as I'd tip him 2000. It's why on my last trip I did not take any offense when while sitting with boy in HotMale mamasan came and asked me if I'm taking guy because somebody else is interested. I said no, tipped guy and he went with some guy 1/3 of my age and another boy from that bar.

yes , 4 lanes and 4 collectors southbound and the same number northbound. Some collectors are quite short but yes , this is what I have right in front of me. Contrary to what one may think is not that bad as for most year either windows are closed because is cold or foliage on few trees in between surprisingly dampens most of that noise. Early spring( warm , yet no leafs ) and late fall (leafs gone but still warm ) are the worse.

It can go both ways ? most of us better keep shirt on and forget about getting tipped

we can only vote with our feet. It up to owners and landlords to sort it out with police and local politicians. Surely there's no logic in denying go-go bars there

It is a fee indeed. If it was tip some punter could have a good fuck and then leave boy with nothing or 10 baht using exact sentence from your line " is a tip, then it's my decision how much the tip should be."

I was there month ago, Prince closed, staff at Senso entirely new but that may change on short notice- keep in mind they re-opened not long ago so may be still looking for guys and some may return. You won't be disappointed at Arena, great staff, some new , some veterans but certainly there's choice. From other places with similar types you may try Sabaidee in the same soi Pluk Chit Sanctuary Spa is ( it was opened in December so I assume still is ) and Jey Spa in Sukhumvit soi 41. As for bars try also Moongligt and entirely new Queens Club (just renamed from New Twilight ) in the same soi Nature Boys and Super A are around the corner from Tawan Have fun !

it may actually vary widely depending on venue, On last trip I asked quite a few boys how much of drink price they are getting and answers were between 20 and 100 ...... as for second issue we need to remember that not only informed and generous farangs are bar clients. Some punters may not have a clue and some may assume even that off fee includes boy or girl service ( I heard it more than once, is not that strange as apparently this is how it works in Japan - you pay once , all in ) so by establishing some minimum fee bars are protecting boys interests. Stories about few Indians taking escort for one off fee and expecting service for all of them circulate in Pattaya regularly.

sad news, I had some question about succession issues but clip attached elegantly answered it

right there, behind the nearest SUV parked ?

I'm indeed. But remember I have spies everywhere and made already partial initial investigation. I wish I was there to take part in all that fun. I join reader with thanks for report on 9-teen, somehow I skipped that place last month. I know I should go , if only out of curiosity.

Having tried both on last trip I say you did right thing for similar price. I'd settle for Raya even up to 10$ more , above that price difference I'd take 56

I stay there last 2 nights of my trip I returned from mid-Nov. It at mouth of Patpong 1 , just across he street so great location for Patpong 2 boy bars as well as Mooonlight and Tawan. Walk to DJ station manageable 5-7 mins. No problem with visitors day or night. Room big and well appointed but was missing two things I like to have - kettle and safety deposit box. It looks one must use one on reception, not an issue for me at end of trip. Kettle problem I solved as always - I carry immense heater to make my tea on every trip. Here some pictures , sorry about the mess, there were two of us and I did not include my companion in 'visitors' category above, LOL

for 4 nights , it makes 1537 a night to clarify record. During covid they had very deep discounts and it's how I found that hotel in Dec 2021. Now I'm big fan of it.

yes , they stopped it when allowed to have people inside I agree , it's great place in great location but noise at times may be just too much. great analysis ! It must be true. As reported in other thread at end of Oct I visited quite remote Banteai Chmmar temple near Sisophon in Cambodia. Unfortunately during some village fair and deafening music which was heard probably in half of province ruined somewhat my visit as all I wanted was to either get deaf or leave , whatever comes first.

How did you like there ?

last December , post-covid that spirit was revived when Castro and BBB co-operated to have one show in the soi , outside of bars. Actually it was fun, show ended well before midnight so no sleep disruption.

+1 also haggling tend to kill the joy for me although sometimes it's necessary when quotation is out of blue. In such cases I counteroffer and then it's usually take it or no deal.

that's still not bad. One of boys in Bangkok I know for years told me he is lucky if he has 5 offs per month, he is on bit older side though. While I too tend to tip of upper range but we need to remind ourselves from time to time we are NOT responsible for guys income stream.

I think it's possible, all boils to negotiating. Longer time , lower per day fee may be. It may also depend on who initiated idea , if it was boy , we are in better negotiating position

I did it twice in the past pre-covid and paid 3000 per day, in one case it was what boy asked for , in another what I volunteered and he approved i.e took the money with smile. 2000 plus expenses sounds about right as it's long time Pattaya rate on another hand if boy is with us whole day it also means it available for carnal pleasures all the time so 2000 will be bit on lower side. There was reason I preferred to be generous with guy in question so I agreed to meet him mid way. Was it right call? as we learn soon , not necessary.

I agree with your statement if somebody asks me it suits me well, there's service , it should be fee

I'm with gayinpattaya with that ( I run out of 'likes' for today). Deafening noise if not an entertainment , is nuisance for all ( Ok , colmx and few others excepted ) and health hazard for those who must work close to source. This brought memories of one night I had in The Venue. There was party in Qmark bar but noise was unbearable and I know thing or two about the noise as my windows are facing 16 lane highway , in summer I sleep with open windows. Around 2 am I resigned trying to sleep and went down to the source, honestly it seemed volume was lower in bar than in the room. It was good decision because waiter asked me if I sleep alone tonight and I answered ' no, with you" so it ended well but to this day I take great care of not making bookings in that part of Complex (Zing is pretty quite, sheltered from that bullshit by row of buildings)

you are telling me guy in navy shirt may miss two front teeth ?