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Before I start treating my computer with steel bar I better ask this question above. In last several days when trying to access my messages and to lesser extend also posts in forum, it seems getting connection lasts forever and often is terminated before getting there. Since I did not notice that with surfing other sites I wonder if it just my local problem or others had it as well ?

I found both Zing Resort and The Venue in the Complex itself good value and no problems with visitors. For bit more space and luxury Baan Souy in quiet side street short hop by songtaew / motorsai or still walkable from Complex is another option.

In the upper left corner under "browse " and to the left of ' clubs" there's button ' forums ' , when you click that you will see several different forums available

interesting recent Macaroni21's impressions from Jupiter in his blog https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/

https://www.gayguides.com/forums/forum/42-timeless-info-thailand-and-the-world/

looks like somewhere in the middle of Sahara ?

immigrant's, legal or not , motivation often boils down to difference in purchasing power of unit of income . ( Of course this is not about people escaping hunger or persecution as their motives as not questionable at all ) If you need to work whole year, if only year, to save for motorbike and you know that even if you manage to save just 1/3 of your minimum western pay and over year you will have enough to buy a car in your country or built a simple home , then you are heavily motivated to risk plenty to improve your lot in life , even if you have acceptable standard of living in your own country. Such dream perhaps motivated all those fallen men in that ill - fateful truck. Dollar, pound, Euro and in some countries even baht goes longer way in many countries that in their place of issue. It's why you have so many Polish and other East Europeans in UK even if those countries are by no mean poverty stricken. This is the same reason some Westerners are leaving all and sundry in order to retire in Thailand expecting that their meager pension by their country standard will buy them way more comfortable golden years in LOS. When I was visiting Mandalay in 2001 I was shown quite spacious house with big garden which was on the market for 2300 USD , yes two thousand three hundred . It meant that if somebody was working whole 1 year , just 8 hours a day , 5 days a week and managed to save just 1.15 USD per hour worked , in one year would have then enough to buy that place.

in my experience payment of tip signalizes our time together is over

According to poster boys from Lucky Boys are prohibited from quoting more so may go for less / no personal experience /

In Bangkok off fee will be 400-500 depending on the bar drink 350-500 , boy drink the same range although in some bars buy drink may be slightly cheaper or more expensive ( 20-40 baht difference either way ) short time from 1500 , some guys may accept less but they may be from apps or beer bars in soi 4 and Hot male outside in Patpong 2 rather than go-go bars long time is subject to double inflation , it looks less guys are willing to do it and if they do, 2500 -3000 seems to be bottom and more popular or better built guys may not even start that " low ". Again boys from apps may be less demanding. Hunting for guy matching your specification is 80% of fun, other 20% you will have in your room

is not that bad, I found that simple statements like ' put that fucking phone away ' does miracle , both with boys there and younger cousins at home

I'm neither shy nor reserved, just don't like crowds I guess, why I don't like soi 4 I don't have an idea but I don't like it still although now with Jupiter and Banana is at least some reason to visit

we too waiting for another trip report

it would be a nice community service

perhaps his English was too poor to converse ? most important, you have a fun from the start !

Yes, that's the best idea to get a lot of small denomination , ask your bank whenever you are, it may be easier than you think although it may take few days for the to fill an order. having them you will avoid situation colmx is describing when you will be confused by change you receive in mix of both currencies and some USD notes received may be damaged i.e. hard to spend in Cambodia. Last time I was there in Dec 2016 i armed myself with 50*1, 20*5, 10*10, 10*20 , 2*50 and 5*100 notes and it worked well, not all was spent but most of small denominations were Yes, ATM will spit out USD Yes , when price will be quoted in USD in most cases they will accept riels so you can pay for that 20 $ shirt with 100 000 riels note and receive 3 $ and 8000 riels in change. They will not accept riels in airport if you will be buying visa on arrival and on deperture behind controls, better hotels may also require paymnet in USD but otherwise is is full blend of currencies, just USD are more portable. When you will see 15000 riel note is not a fake - it's recently issued commemorative note for kings 15th anniversary of coronation.

for sure he heard but sometimes we need some encouragement to go somewhere , even if well known. Look at me , I like muscle guys but it was only 8th trip when I went to Tawan. And the 9th when I went to Pattaya for a first time. In 20 visits I still did not cross DJ Station, GOD nor Babylon doors and still feel uneasy going to soi 4. On another hand I know few Pattaya regulars who visited Bangkok scene last time during Clinton presidency before Lewinsky hotel in Pattayaland got it's present name.

you are cutting our cultural bunch short

this is what i thought. That type of "higher end " is good for the bar but not necessarily for the boys. Few times I heard that it was fun to get drinks but at end of day tip given was something like 100-200 and in meantime guy was kept from the stage and thus from opportunity to be offed. I guess this all is part of bar culture. And so it's buying one drink , surveying the scene and moving to next bar.

small fishing village called Pattaya, 1.5 hr by bus from Swampy airport ,

welcome to the forum and have fun in Pattaya . just curious - how one recognizes high end customer in bar ? One who is throwing money around and tipping everybody in sight ?

nothing stops us from being more generous although those tips are quite very reasonable I agree with your observation , when I was there few weeks ago a lot of boys were sitting with customers already. Even mamasan Lucy was nice, when she pestered me for an off I told her my usual "I like the girls better ' , she smartly replied "I'm a girl " Too bad guys there are on twinky side.

I don't think problem is with people not being allowed to leave , problem is they are not allowed to be admitted. Hence all those visa regimes and wall countries are trying to built around their borders under leadership of Orange Overlords of the world to applaud of many of their citizens , themselves descendants of those who often came because they wanted to , not because they were invited.

it must be religious reason

If they don't wear number chances are they are in ' no available for an off " category or already booked. Nothing wrong with that , at least we have an eye candy to admire. But in reality never hurts to call guy over and ask / guy himself , not mamasan / if he is available. If not tonight he may be back on the market next evening or during day. Don't go by what others / mamasans, waiters , members reporting / say, go to the source, guy himself. Even most popular guys have periods of drought so may be adaptable and chances are they may not like one of us but gladly go with another. For me classic case , reported here was Handsome Cambodian from BBB Boyztown, first said ' I no gay" then ' I must think about it ' after that ' lets have a drink outside" and finally " ok but you go first" , 20 minutes all and deal sealed. On another hand guys offed many times before all of the sudden may not become available, usually because our victorious competition in in sight ( pretty girl or rich, fat farang or the worst, pretty and rich girl )