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try Moonlight and new Jupiter 2018 in soi 4 for massages Senso and Prince, check new Hero as well

Excellent report you got me REALLY interested in those two bars, since Cambodia is one of my most favorite countries I have my sights on returning to PP

then we will have boys on stage glued to their smartphones and customers in audience glued to bar's ipads, fun indeed ( to watch the scene from the door )

perhaps because years ago we were different too, more attractive looking and even more enthusiastic ?

Hopefully you will find your way to Nice Boys, glad you have a good time in Pattaya

showering with boy before and after is one of great pleasures of offing them . Some are not that keen so I'm not pressing them if they don't want to do it together but I always let them know that this is what I like.

perhaps it's good idea for newbies to start with regular, smiling at them guys, before they start with guys who think they are stars. Handling guys with a bit of attitude requires some experience. Yes , my encounter with Nicky was with the same script, he must have soft spot for expensive Japanese restaurants so perhaps advice for all would be be to decline any forays other than customer's hotel room. In all fairness I must say other than upscale leanings he did not show any attitudes and I was happy with him but price tag was too high for both of us.

thank you for a great report which I read in one go. Sorry but I run out of 'likes' today. I wish you good luck on the last day wherever you decide to go. Sorry to hear about your crappy experience with Nicky which in part mirrors mine from October as somebody noticed. The same pattern - gas station visit to fill up the tank , expensive Japanese restaurant ( in Thong Lor I presume ). Fortunately for me we had chemistry so at least I don't have that feeling of wasted money. Too bad my trip report did not manage to generate warning signals about Nicky but probably I was very happy with him despite of expense. It's great that we are able to read about bad experiences which can act as warning signal, unfortunately at members expense. Perhaps some of those models need to be left alone?

very often when I know exactly which guy I want to take off I don't bother with drink , just wave him over , pay off fee and off we go.

don't clone yourself as you will never be sure which you has more fun

that's their job - selling illusions

looks very impressive

for me is academic as I don't have anybody on ignore but some may find using it preferable to instigating forum quarrels

I, like forky123, go by how my body feels, tried different approaches and nothing worked. Only factor which may make difference for me is elbow room i.e -nobody is sitting beside me, since I always take aisle seat if enhances my comfort just a bit and I noticed , in turn it mitigates jet lag a bit. I did not notice any effect of arrival or departure times neither light nor drinking pattern, all I know that with age jet lags are getting worse and worse but long flight are getting more and more bearable so at least there's trade. In Thailand usually my 2 and 3 days are the worst, first one I run on adrenaline I guess. My advice is , if you feel like you need a sleep just go to bed no matter what as body is not that easy to cheat. I once almost felled asleep going down the stairs of Sala Daeng station and it was very scary.

go to "my profile", then 'edit my profile' then ' my settings' then 'ignore preferences '

being negative about negative means being positive but I digress. I support Op way of thinking and it's why I always advise to off or have a massage with boy who is smiling at us, not always but it usually works very well

no wonder so many people are advising against using motorsai taxis

and if you do , rest assured guy you will be with will be very impressed with you

as far as I see in the mirror it works, for years I was saying publicly on this forum that for me BBB is overall the best bar in Thailand but after my last trip , again publicly, I gave Moonlight that coveted Vinapu's Most Favorite Bar tittle, LOL Fun to be in , only somewhat intrusive mamasans, discounted second drink , great selection of both models and regular guys, boys friendlier than in other upscale bars and show changing a bit every time makes it bar is fun to be in. Only hope success will not spoil it.

Unfortunately you are right. And that tiny group manages to suck life out of their countries because our Western countries welcome their ill gotten money with open arms. I know I sound like illegitimate leftie son of Rosa Luxembourg but am I wrong?

for Moonlight you can't do better than Surawongse Hotel which is basically upstairs. Has it's best years well behind but still I found it quite acceptable in October and definitely will be considering it in the future. Raya across the street from Moonlight soi is more upscale and often full but you may have luck. Baan Silom in soi 3 is a little further but still closer to action than Furama is. On budget side I'd suggest Nantra Silom in soi 8. Use Agoda or booking.com not some untested sites although they may be quite legitimate. Once I used some inknown booking site based in Ukraine to book Malaysia hotel because sites mentioned above did not have space for my dates in and it worked very well.

you will be a bit shy only in your first bar on the first day, after first evening you suddenly discover you are the expert !

I understand what you said very well , in fact when I travel often proper bread or at least what I consider proper bread / of rye variety / is thing I miss the most.

We should ensure that boy thinks along the same lines. Few times I noticed they don't feel comfortable even if I wanted to treat them. We may not notice those stares and not understand what is said but they will . I almost always treat my long time offs with dinner and breakfast but learned long time ago to leave choice of venue to them.

It's why I ignore opinion of strangers , food is notorious as hard to judge by what other people say as we all have different tastes and are used to different staples and treat for one is just a feed for other . Often people are just getting back at venue because they did not like something, in this internet era both praise and slander are easy to distribute