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and that's the right attitude. You feel you get your money worth -that's all that counts

good news and thank you for letting us know

we wish you good luck and are waiting impatiently for your impressions from Tawan and rest of BKK gay scene

not only Japan , rest assured. I remember that case.

That's not nice

Very good point about Sunee, dare I say those Sunee-nostalgic types arose question marks not only in do-gooder circles. Great idea with "boyz" ! I guess worth a try

Terry4, my comment was in response to Vessey's frivolous suggestion, has nothing to do with what you suggesting. Actually I happen to agree with you that word' boy' is perhaps overused and may be taken by some out of context. On another hand I don't see it being issue worth splitting hair in four , discussion was nice , everybody had his say and I guess very few will mind their ways because of what they read here. As long as bar boys / guys / men will use it , so will us I guess.

at least in Bangkok we have Hot Male already

I don't see any problem. Topics were initiated and quite a vivid discussion followed , free of mud throwing which is what what I like. It means that even if we are provoked , we still managed to stay civil and impressively on the subject .

watching older men trying to climb the greased pole ?

no but it's suggestion of ' do not scratch yourself if you don't have any itching "

ah, memories, Boy from Tawan or Bank from BBB ! On the merit of OP, surprisingly perhaps, I kind of support Terry here. Yes , it's true that this is how invariably bar and massage workers refer to themselves and their friends but uninitiated lurkers and readers of those forums at times may cringe indeed when they read something like " I wanted to off smiling small boy but other farang was faster and grabbed him before my move ". I just did , reading hanan post above, even if I, like all us us I fully understand and even agree with what he is saying but I'm kind of ' in the know ' person visited that bar few times and invariably running out screaming , horrified by lack of body mass of their guys ( see I'm learning ) so yes, I agree that overusing ' boy ' world may spell trouble and gradually we should learn to use 'guy" or 'man ' instead, not out of political correctness which may lead to idiocies well illustrated by Jasper above but out of desire to peace in the world and our forums being undisturbed. I know it's easy for me to say as boys I like are usually well past boyhood stage and other than us are called "boy' perhaps by their grandmothers only and even I smile when one Tawan boy refers to other , equally massive ' that boy ". and a bit of personal experience - upon return home from my Dec 2014 trip I was randomly chosen for closer inspection. Not that it was much to inspect as I travel lightly but small notebook with picture of fully dressed baby on the cover made officer immediately energized. To his disappointment it was almost unused with few irrelevant notes scribbled inside but I knew that if was used / thank you Guardian Angel for making me lazy / I'd be in trouble. I was even asked explicitly about why I chose such cover when I travel to Thailand. I'm not making it up and kidding you not. Fortunately my explanation that it was only kind available in my local dollar store was accepted and I was let go. We can or can't agree with Terry4 but it needs to be admitted that recently he initiated two very interesting discussions on this forum.

be careful what you are saying as you unwillingly perhaps just supported what Terry4 says in his OP

no , Silom Centre is that mall adjacent to Sala Daeng BTS

I usually watch parade and then head inside of BoyzBoyzBoyz but I agree , boys fully dressed is disappointment. Bare chested in jeans, that was sexy spectacle. Still boys parade is better than tourist groups being herded through the soi.

he did My advice to visitors to Angkor temples is not to forget about lesser known but still very impressive temples other than big 4 (Angor Wat, Bayon, Ta Prohm and Preah Khan , perhaps Banteai Srei can be added here ). Crowds can be unnerving and being pushed from right, left and center doesn't make for enjoyable sightseeing. So for those looking for substitution places like Pre Rup, Ta Keo, ,Neak Pean are only bit less monumental but still worth every penny. Ta Som is nice substitute for Ta Prohm and my favourite and Banteai Samre is never crowded but still impressive . Phnom Krom , high over Tonle Sap Lake is impressive site as well as Rulous Group to the east of Siem Reap . Little known is that walls around Angkor Thom , city at the center of which Bayon temple sits can be walked / cycled in entirety and are never crowded - if I ever return , God willing that it will be my first tour. For those with more time and money there are day trips to relatively close Bang Melea and Koh Ker pyramid temple further away. And then there are UNESCO listed Preah Vihear atop of mountain, Sambor Prei Kuk, grandmother of them all and very remote Preah Khan Kompong Svay called also Prasat Bakan , all of them requring full day trips. And there' s Phnom Kulen mountain and carved riverbed of Kbal Spean. So even for first time visitors there's way to beat crowds by not being herded where everybody else and his brother goes. While I consider rising early to see sunrise waste of time, spoon's advice about starting very early is precious as it allows to see at last some temples in relative solitude and beat the heat.

that's true . often they mention other job , gym or even taking kids to school as excuse for skipping on long time , rarely if ever I heard that their girlfriend / boyfriend / wife is obstacle though. I guess money speaks What softens their stance? first have drink with them , it works much better than just showing up , calling boy and asking about long time. Second , if you offed them short time previously , they kind of know what to expect in both terms of tip and your personality and may be much more enthusiastic , worked for me many times. Third, if you are known to other boys in the bar, mention that. Their recommendation may work. I even had a case when boy hold firm on requested tip until his bar friend told him what he got night before and off we went, three of us in fact as they talked me to taking both of them, LOL Be aware that scenario may also work against you - tip you paid will be expected by all but I found that simple explanation " I only pay that to X " worked specially if boy taken is untested for you.

Massage place beside Tawan is called actually Sun massage which is the same thing as I was told that Tawan means ' sun ' in Thai. I addition to excellent paulfort piece above: if you unwilling / don't want to take boy to your hotel boys will know short time rooms and I was told that for that purpose they can use massage room in Sun , right beside the bar. You will be charged extra for that 300-500 baht I guess. As for tips, short time which is 1-3 hrs , 2000 should be accepted with smile , boys will try for more seeing sparks in your eyes (been there , done that ) but 2500 is very generous and unless you really enamored with boy , try to stick with 2000. In low season , slow day newish boys may accept even as low as 1500 but don't count on it. Long-time which is overnight or as I always specify ' till breakfast' - 3000 but they definitely will be pressing for 4000 or even as high as 5000 but if you stick your ground 3000 should be accepted and newish boys will smile at 2500 perhaps. As they are invariably very friendly don't lose your head but if you really like boy, don't try to economize either as some of them are very popular and can be taken fast. I noticed that boys take early , like between 9-11 p.m. may tend to rush things hoping to finish you and return to the bar for another chance, closer to midnight they may be more relaxed and amendable but best choices may be gone already. But really what best choice is ? My dreamboy may not warrant second glance from you and vice versa. When you having drink in the bar with them they are not averse to some discreet inspection and not shy to kiss if you ask them. Mamasans are not pushy which can't be said about many other bars. You will have blast there, just enter with smile

DJ Station still around and popular as ever

so when you had that fabulous bareback fuck? 2 or 6 months ago ?

often when boy we are hunting for is not present / available it opens new opportunities and boys who otherwise will be overlooked are turning out to be shining stars. Luck has it's own uses IMHO

I can't agree more

if this kind of thinking would become mainstream, it were outright scary. Right to do what we want is one thing but our lives are littered with wrong choices made on daily basis and some of those are affecting others. what about financial means to exercise that right ?

that is very good reason to let that option go

I wonder how many of those young ones will not have a chance to be older and see how it is keeping with change because of that new definition or rather diefinition of safe sex. But at least we should be grateful to you for initiating that discussion above and congratulate ourselves that whatever our opinion is , we managed to keep it civil and on the subject. This thread is a candidate to Timeless forum I suggest