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we know the thrill of counting days

100-200 % markup, nice, where's nearest 7/11 ?

that is what I advise everybody , go to the nearest BTS , MRT , river or Saen Saep khlong and continue

possible but impossible to verify so I gave him money / 400, cost of 1 hr massage there /. I took him straight from Copa massage after end of his shift so it was in plain view of the whole soi. In the past I had Arena , Bonny's and Bangkok Massage soi Twilight charging me directly even if I was taking boys out at closing time so his story sounded somewhat credible , bosses are at times greedy animals

All that pricing controversy steaming from report could be avoided simply by me omitting financial details but I did it for purpose as nothing enlivens threads like money matters, particularly somebody else's money. Funny thing for me is that in two weeks there I did not spent as much energy on finances like in following two weeks of daily reporting that trip So here's another round ( my underlines and numbering for easier read ) : 1.as said before , I'm not arguing , just presenting my way of thinking about financing vacation fun 2. as for stunning boys is enough to comb through few pages of comments on our model thread to learn that stunner to one is Humpback from Notre Dame to somebody else. When you compare fees you paid with ones I did, are you sure we are talking about the same boys ? It takes all 18 years and a day for security for twink to be pretending stunner while several more years of exercising, dieting and who know what other sacrifices are necessary to get model look and perhaps even more to built body shape to be stunner for those who like bodybuilders or muscled man. And in those years girlfriend get pregnant and boys are out of business taken by family life so rarer they become if one is looking for more mature and mentally balanced men. They may become less attractive for some but rarer species for those who look for them thus commanding better rate. In short , I think all of Super A boys will go for 1000 ST while very few if any of Jupiter or Tawan ones will. 3. For me on vacation fun is more precious than standing by my budget plan and if I find boy attractive I like to taste him leaving saving money for after vacation life 4. that's the whole point , you are not happy , don't do / pay / it. , bargain down , or walk away in easy search of another fish I'm happy, would never cross my mind to be jealous on learning that boy who skinned me alive for 3000-4000 landed next night in somebody else's embraces for 1200 I knew before I even left Thailand that with only 4 substantial rains in 2 weeks I was very lucky even if 4000 is outrageous I still gladly paid and I'm forever grateful to those 4 boys who extracted it from me and provided outstanding time in exchange. My money ,my pleasure, boy's joy. in 2001 I paid LT tip in BKK, this was upper end of 1500-2000 scale then

it happens and nothing stops you from doing the same. If you read my recent travel report you will find two day time meetings and three after hours long times organized that way. Keep in mind that boy of your dream boy may be busy during day / work , home chores, needs to go to the gym or simply needs to sleep because his last off was long time / and for the same reasons may not be available after hours, the same like all of us working folks doing our best 9-5 but not keen on overtimes. Be discreet so boy's boss don't get a wind of it , my two time after hours off from Copa was actually charged off fee next day (or so he told me). I reimbursed him of course.

Must be something in the Mississippi and Colorado waters

Don't feel discouraged, you are not at fault for posting somebody else's dubious inventions and it's great community service to let us know what others are saying about subjects we are also familiar with. Your time is used very well, rest assured.

I understand your sarcasm but time wise depending on traffic train option may turn out to be the same like taxi. This comes from somebody who just recently suffered 70 minutes crossing of Saphan Taksin bridge by bus, taxi would be the same, in meantime at least 14 BTS trains passed by in the same direction !

GQ is trying to spoil an excellent Thai food with too much wax in it's lyrics. I doubt very much we see may construction workers with their 300 /day salary feeding in food court and business tycoon lining up to get his Pad Thai will be scarcer even more.

I'm not picking up on Americans , OP was about owning guns legally , not necessarily case when gun crime is considered. But is seems to me that Americans love to be proud owners of legal guns more than other nations.

We all are using what suits us the best. Not necessary what one does somebody else follows and there's no right or wrong. Sometimes even person changes his approach how to extract more fun . There are those who visit bar or massage place only once every trip ( my trips 1.2.3.5.6.7.8.)and those who park themselves in their favorite places and get all their fun from there ( my trip 13 ). Budgetary discipline you are talking about is only to be commended and admired as there's only that much money we can spent. But like with every discipline it's only step from mental terror we may inflict on ourselves. No favorite meal today because they raised price from 190 to 205 and 200 is my budget, no museum visited today because on Tuesday they have 50 % off admission ( and related hordes of economizing visitors ), getting almost heart attack being close to missing flight because we opted to bus instead taxi etc. Good that you don't regret and move on. I learned my lessons that it not always pays. In my younger years I did not visit Uffizzi Gallery in Florence because admission was to steep for me , it took 20 years for another chance to be in Florence again , just for a day and horror of horrors, due to technical issues Gallery was closed that day. so wound is still bleeding. On Easter Island I saw sculpture in wood , true piece of art but at 400 $ it seemed excessively priced so I passed by opting for 10 times cheaper crude one. When came to my senses and returned next day shop lady waved me away , it was sold apparently soon after I left , I still hate myself for that. I did not win lottery and did not squander my inheritance, I just found the way of financing certain indulgences by cutting on other ones. There are readers who may consider tips I pay excessive but they readily discuss advantages of staying in Crowne Plaza over Dusit Thani , seek feedback on the best restaurants or roof top beer bars and consider taking bus to Pattaya or train to Swampy waste of time. And why not , if that is what rocks their boat as much as mine is rocked by taking 5 baht train from DMK to Bangkok or managing to get to Foodland Patpong before 9 a.m. to get an advantage of having breakfast for 62 instead of 85 baht. And at end of day as my trip reported above attests there are always cheaper boys, hey only four 4000 LT's as opposite to five 2000 ones

Last Dec arrivving from Cambodia to DMK I took train , 5 baht and then MRT fro Halampong to Silom , 18 baht

just out of curiosity, are all those guys Americans or more mixed bunch ? Desire to own a gun seem to be very American to me.

enjoy your trip and don't forget about us here

that is all bullshit, what will be next? mountains of used condoms on streets contributing to the traffic gridlock by narrowing them ?

You guys are spoiling me. I wouldn't mind some critical voices / too long , to brief , too detailed, not detailed enough, lacking pictures and NO GRAPHICS, what the hell you guys were doing there and so on / We hope you will keep you word but I need to warn you. It's quite time consuming , particularly if you are typing with 1 or 2 fingers only like me.

that the lesson I learned over years, one has always choice and must live with consequences. Earlier I was cautious to economize and keen to stick to so called 'fair rates'. Than after few experiences like yours - boy I liked disappeared from the scene depriving me forever a chance to embrace him now I rather employ " boy first, money second" approach. Doesn't always work as I wish but by grace of God worked perfectly this trip. If I chickened out and passed offing Tam, #60 from Boy66 I know I'd be spitting at myself in the mirror every morning when I shave. When I travel I use the same approach in respect of tours and souvenirs, If I want go somewhere I pay , if I see something I like I may bargain but I will buy it. Some genius invented line of credit, why not to use it, LOL

I did, three times I woke up in the morning without boy beside, shame on me.

I also regret we did not meet due to un-coordinated timing, it was more of that , one of our members left Pattaya on the day I arrived there, another one arrived in Thailand in the evening before my morning departure next day 1. you may be correct but apparently blue pill still works only if one feels a little bit heat, no? 2. I knew about Tawan from my first trip on. After all , Tomahwak, then bar across the soi was one of firsts I visited in BKK but wherever I got my feedback from then , it was less than favorable so I did not ventured inside Tawan and it was the same trip after trip , massage places , mainly Aqua Spa and Arena were my hunting grounds and whatever my feeds were from it was always about Tawan boys being lazy, greedy and the like. Only when I discovered this forum I read here some credible accolades, reinforced by reading bangkokbois blog by the late Rush. So finally on trip # 9 I dragged Dreamboys boy with me to see the show and only at end of my next trip , it was 10th , on the last night I braved to off boy Boy #15 and become fan of Tawan instantly. By trip #13 I was on monodiet, all LT offs on that trip bar just one were all Tawan men. That's the story of love coming late in life, LOL But there some contractions, perhaps due to too much of good thing for both boys and me , in Dec 2016 despite of being in Thailand twice I went there only once. Now with cooler head I enjoy bar again and while spoiling boys with compensation they repay me with very well pretended affection , truly win-win situation for now with rosy glasses discarded.

thank you for a good laugh, " keyboard wankers " , that's funny If everything else fails there's still an option of moving conversation to a bar table and seeing boy eye to eye and feeling him knee to knee

you are right, all is included in price of participation, still not a bad kind of gambling

welcome to the forum and let us know from time to time how you are doing bar/ boy wise

every bit helps to reduce overpopulation and one day, not too soon, we will chip in

thank you reader, I read your assessment with great pleasure , not that I need boost to my self-esteem but never hurts to be a bit overestimated. I don't think I arrived with any agenda other than having fun, other than booking accommodation I plan very little before a trip. I like things just happen. I liked my time in Pattaya in December so decided to stay longer and extension was owed to fun I had there. I may try such approach in the future. I was hoping Bank will be working at BBB but his bar friends picked up the slack nicely. You are correct with 4000 tips going to sought after boys, in fact careful readers of my previous reports will find them mentioned and in 2 cases offed previously so I did know very well what I'm up to. I'm nobody to comment other's tipping practices but only boys themselves can assess us when comes to generosity but definitely there are those who are willing to go home empty handed instead to accept any compensation. Longer in business they are and unfortunately to my pocket those are boys I'm chasing, better they become in assessing what they can and can't pull from their clients. As for straight boys my well published theory is they know they need to try better to compensate for lack of lust but at end of day I have serious doubts about how straight they really are, often hard before I even touch them. No , soi 6 other than Tawan was never really my hunting ground but had 2 offs from Super A before. This trip surprisingly quite a few boys there were offing material for me. I like to watch world go by at soi Twilight but no so much soi 4 as I generally don't like to waste time sitting in bars and soi twilight for me is more business oriented. Now with Jupiter I may look at soi 4 more kindly. I was not trying to set any bar for anybody, just to let world know how one guy is spending his vacation / and a money / in Thailand. We all know better how we like our vacation but at times some inspiration may help. If I helped somebody to get some ideas for their next trip , all the better. If not this forum I 'd never put my foot on Tawan and Pattaya nor stay in Raya and Nantra Silom so I owe you guys something.