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I remember you telling us that story and yes , at that time 2000 ST was considered high even for Dreamboys's , Tawan's or Jupiter's boys You know better , I also agree that greed doesn't go by nationality, rather by popularity and good look. It's hard to blame boy who is offed nightly , sometimes even twice nightly for asking / expecting more than his friend whose last off was Thursday last week. I would still try with 1500 , after all this was what I was asked for last time I offed ST from soi Twilight in Dec 2016. Possibly boys discounted me because it was almost closing time and I took two of them at once at their suggestion. I'm one of those who likes to set fee before marching down the soi as I think it's of benefit for both sides, others may think and act differently though. how turning nasty would be possible if such pillars of community are taking part in discussion ? While it's correct that boy who was stunner back in 2012 now may be developing Singha muscle and greying hair sure rates can be compared. Still we may arrive to different solutions as not only nominal amount in baht counts, boys will be considering rise in their costs like food or rent while we will be looking at exchange rates of our domestic currencies and our own earning power which may cloud but also rosify our assessment of how dear / cheap tips become. correct in pure monetary terms abut trip to Thailand comes with bonus on being on vacations not to mention weather behind the window ( is raining already 6 hours here and it just +2 Centigrade )

But they don't, it's why I like money boys and massages and don' t go to saunas. as for rest of your post we agree to disagree as well. 100 %

it may be dress code in some if not all of those bars, no sandals , no shorts , no t-shirts hope others with experience of visiting will confirm / deny

I like story about plane being haunted and newspaper drifting to the stairs. Still lot of 747 are still flying world over

this is not how I read it but if that was a case then I agree , it was cheating lots of big words but vendor did not use any of those criteria, she used 'ability to pay' test, exactly one used in in taxation in most affluent i.e. Western countries We agree to disagree. 100 %

I understand your reasoning , I used to butterfly religiously but in time I noticed that it may be more productive to say with and enjoy known quality as long as boy feels the same. Ever since boys previously offed I was happy with have priority access to my tip fund. Great report , thank you very much

I'm not short time offer but I think you are right, on my last trip I had few guys who wanted 1500 - 2000 for long time ( there were also few who wanted 4000, LOL ) so 1000 must still be going rate. As for Toy Boys , one I had in Sept wanted and got 2000 for long time, worst spent 2000 that trip. Lack of chemistry. Year before another boy there wanted 1500 for short time but it was two of us offing him so I guess he wanted premium pay for premium audience ( we converted it to 2000 LT ) What puzzles me are those supposed hunks outside, there are always several boys but can't recall even one I'd classify as hunk worth trouble offing, l count my blessings.

even for me, who apart from GoodBoys has not much to admire in Sunee bars , Nice Boys on my last visit (with aussie_ in Sept ) seemed quite very OK

my massage tipping practice is similar to reader's normal massage = cost of massage 1 hr =1000 unless higher minimum tip is indicated i.e. Senso at 1200 1.50 hr = 1500 unless higher minimum tip is indicated i.e. Senso at 1800 2 hr =2000 or whatever minimum tip is but no less than 1500 of course we are talking about massage by naked, fully accessible , man In Pattaya I'm ruining market by tipping the same In regards of shower I'll go along with local practice, few times but literally few I needed to offer an inducemet of 100-200 for boy to shower with me never had massage bad enough to warrant above tip reduction although on few occasions I offed boys providing very good massage service and they turned duds in the room but that's another story

unless price was clearly posted I don't see cheating in charging unsuspected farang more. Deplorable and obnoxious practice , yes but it's not cheating, it's market forces at work. You may be driving car which cost you 2000 $ less than identical car another guy with poorer bargaining skills or just bad timing bought at the the same dealer few days apart. There is a statistic chance that all passengers sitting in economy of say, Bangkok heading jet paid different price for their tickets. All departing and arriving at the same time , eating the same food and breathing the same fart infused air in the cabin.

that's the reason, price level doesn't leave much room for an additional extraction of money but locals still have benefit of knowing cheaper places nearby

lots of seniors are not weak, helpless , vulnerable or poor and they still get seniors discounts, clear example of double pricing. Not that I'm against , mind you, but truth needs to be told. Visa pricing is clearest of them all example of charging( or not ) different categories of foreigners differently but somehow we , with visa waiver to Thailand are not complaining for not being charged while others are. While I don't like double pricing I see often justification for it and reason for that is disparity in income distribution. Can't see why Thai making minimum daily wage of 333 is supposed to pay the same 500 baht admission fee to Grand Palace like foreigner living in jurisdiction where 364 baht is minimum hourly wage. They give us ( or Chinese for that matter ) visa free access so we will support Thai economy by other means. We are inclined to scream that we were charged 150 instead of 50 for a lunch meal but in the evening think nothing about shelling 500 for a dish which can be had two soi over for 120 in place with perhaps crappier ambiance but not necessarily worse cook. As for excesses of senior pricing in saunas perhaps fair exchange is if they let younger and fitter stock in for less or for free.

great piece of reporting for those who are interested in snakes , Red Cross Snake Farm in Bangkok is right across the road from BBB Inn with 2 different shows a day so save your ticket, at 11 is snake milking, at 2 snake handling

don't be apologetic and we all have our priorities and not necessarily your advice was misleading. Out of 4 points above I care only about 4. hot water , all other are welcomed if they are there but by no means lack of any or all of these spoils an experience for me. What really counts is quality of the boy first and massage second, rest is mostly trimmings. I understand others may feel differently.

and we need to remember it works both ways, our recommendation may be confirmed by others but also prove to be complete disappointments for them for multitude of factors. It doesn't mean we or other side is wrong , it's just different experience. But bad experience is bad experience , whether reason for spoilage is within us or external , we tend to dwell on it.

+1 I like that phrase ' sweet immovable lump ' in the post above and can imagine what pleasure would be to try to move it

perhaps it was polite and face saving way of saying I'm not available tonight.

so it looks that neither modesty nor philanthropy are not good way to climb to presidency. Masses like shine it seems

my reading that was all night proposal , still very high even for Bangkok but I 'd be surprised it it wouldn't be haggable down to 3000, even for dancer

it happens with surprising regularity that best boy of the trip is found on our last day / night, no surprise here because this is how it works, LOL as for returning to a boy next trip , I found and no doubt other as well that sometimes boy we were dreaming about in farangland upon return turns out not to be as attractive as our first impression and following dreams made him. On another hand at times upon return we notice familiar face of boy we previously saw but just glanced over and now we wonder how it was possible to miss such a stunner.

with them being open on and off recently some problem is brewing underneath

nothing unusual the world over to try to take skin alive from unsuspecting foreigners, just greedy vendor bad luck.

thanks God our parents did not think like that , otherwise I wonder where we would be now?

whatever happens, happens. As for tipping over boy's clothes I hardly recall any one of them just dumping hos clothes on the floor, always they fold them neatly and place on the desk / table

reminds me answer given by my uncle who fell while strolling and got some scratches and bruises, When asked ' what happened , did you tip over or step on something:" answer was ,' no, that's penalty for living too long"