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perhaps other have , I don't take boys pictures and I did not off #36 although I talk to him briefly

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ! already started and it seems first off on the next trip God knows when is already monetary secured.

When comes to gay killings unfortunately recently it seems that USA is the worst, isn't it? Should we be afraid of going there too?

watch what you are saying , there are some on this forum with very good memory so you better keep your promise

just off him and stop tormenting yourself

after all , like all other bars, Jupiter is a boy bar not a gay one. I like their show and look of their boys but I never saw girl offing boy from there. Tried their boys twice and need to second firecat's voice above but I'm not that easily discouraged and may consider wasting money in future on #'s 7, 44 ,55 and 60

really? me? I never offed a men without a cock and only once one with single testicle. yes #36 was offed almost nightly when I was there. Growing star perhaps.

It's a good form to buy boy a drink if he is sitting with you but if you already decided on an off and boy agrees just tell him to dress and don't bother with drink. This is formula I use when offing boys already known to me.

In Tawan very often boys are approaching you, mamasans are really just to collect money but if you need translation or are just shy type sure you can enlist their help. Point is and any bar you don't need mamasan as intermediary

I decided to shed some light on trip finances in view of your comments and those you mentioned. Your point is perfect. If I go to local go-go bar where I live I can have naked guy dancing in front of me for length of 1 song / aprox 5 mins / and it will cost me aprox 540 baht. Sometimes he will not even allow to touch him not to mention kiss, cuddle or hug. So 15 minutes of mostly viewing pleasure will cost me 1620 baht. Plus beer. so some boring statistics below: I was in Thailand 12 full days and 11 nights but paid for 12 nights since I wanted to have an access to a room on my last day when I was leaving just past midnight. Airfare was 800 USD this time , cheapest I ever pay to Thailand was 519 USD, most expensive 1380 USD so it varies wildly. Hotels: Raya 8 nights 538 USD, I could do it much cheaper / 412 / but for 4 nights I decided to splurge and treat myself to boost my self-esteem, breakfast for two included. Ambiance Pattaya 2 nights for less than 60 USD total with breakfast, Agoda had special and I grabbed it. It was 27.09 or 29.07 USD per night , I don't remember which one. Nantra Silom 70 something USD, I don't remember exactly but it was something between 71-79 for two nights and it was not their cheaper room, actually third from bottom in their scale whatever they call it. So on both Raya and Nantra it could be even cheaper without sacrificing much. I had 15 long time / 7 single and 4 double nights / and 3 short time offs plus 11 massages which cost: 6800 baht / 193 USD / in off fees, 8750 baht / 248 USD / in massage fees 69900 baht / 1985 USD/ in tips including tip for a boy from Toy Boys which we actually did not even take home. 6000 out of this amount I consider misspent because inflated boy demands / 2 times/ , non using boy's company and hiring boy who did not perform as promised. Other substantial expenses were 3500 speed boat / no idea if can be hired cheaper but trip to Koh Larn by ferry is just 60 / and 1600 for trip to Kanchanaburi which could be found chepaer /1200-1300/ in Silom area and probably as low as 800-1000 in Kao San area, not sure but people I met on the train told me they paid less than 2000 for two. Total tips in bars were probably well below 2000, I usually tip 100 best looking boy and some show performers, some boys are getting taxi money in the morning . On another hand I spent most of my time in Tawan and I don't tip nor buy drinks for boys I offed or I'm firmly planning to off on this trip so only one boy drink there , on the first night when Alek was great unknown to me. Drinks in bars were probably 4000-5000 max. total between me and boys in tow. I did not bother to even count No substantial spending on food even if I always invite boys for a dinner before going to hotel in most cases they were happy with street food including frogs and insects treats. I'm low maintenance and no substantial shopping / shorts, shirt , t-shirt and rag which I promptly lost /. 1300 went for cleaning teeth and 200 for haircut. So tips are most substantial part of expenses and biggest savings can be had there but reducing amounts and number of encounters but as Firecat said in his post above -why on such a short trip ? Hope it helps some to budget for their own trip.

yes , with exception of night 3. no I'm not but fact that I got bonus at work equivalent of 10 long time off tips just 2 weeks before departure helped to a great degree. My reasoning is , I don't spent 18 hours flying to economize and spend lonely nights. I do it with great success at home, LOL

Ambiance had breakfast included. It was my first stay there, so far I always used Le Cafe Royale but this time crossed the soi enticed by offer on Agoda website of less then 30 USD per night with breakfast for two. I don't remember exact figure but it was a steal. I found both hotels equally pleasant and very good value for money. I did not notice anything jaded about Ambiance but truth is , other than night we spent very little time in the hotel. A/C was working perfectly , room was on smallish side but comfortable enough. I recommend both hotels equally with clear conscience, ideal for somebody like me who likes to be close to the desired action and Pattaya biggest attraction, Boyztown in absence of Louvre and Colliseum

I read it too and it was comforting thought when my mother died on my hands. Life is too short to look at empty half of glass and vacations are too short to worry about wasting money here and there or inevitable poor choice of companion from time to time. just go , enjoy and remember that in order to return we need to leave first.

crowding bed with 2 different boys each night you call romance? I don't have feeling it was anything romantic in this trip, at least not for me but fun filled she was, days and nights with very little boredom, this is what I like on my vacations

as mentioned above mono diet served me surprisingly well trying new things may cost more money but many things we don't know how they taste unless we try - this is my way of thinking. Last year I tried double night and it did not work because I did not consult boy whom to bring , I just did. This year I did not even think about it but for a change boys came with that idea , Not entirely sure I liked it and it cost much more money but it was something new and actually each of those 4 nights had a bit of different scenario. As for your trip report forget word 'maybe' please. Tears were stupid which I noticed very fast, why to cry at end of such pleasant and fun filled trip instead of smiling all the way to the bank to pay trip debts?

Since wi-fi is very good and they can't care less about the joiners it must be safe, sometimes not working, you need to call reception to open it etc but for me it's not an obstacle lift the seat so won't be wet, if you place your money in the safe it will be too heavy to lift anyways, budget hotel must make money on something, never saw insects there but one room smelled foul with durian he is right because there no divider between shower and a seat but remedy is presented above

what I'm supposed to do at 10 at night? leave 2 handsome boys watching TV and hunt for a towel ?

American breakfast, 62 baht between 5.30 and 9, 78 baht at other times two eggs with choice of saussage , ham or bacon small glass of fruit juice / orange or guava/ tea or coffee two toasts with orange jam nothing fancy but filing and whenever I stay in Nantra, Pavillion, Take a nap or BBB Inn I go for breakfast to Foodland. They have full range of dishes available at all times and my boys are usually taking something more lunch / dinner like

or three twosomes

this is what usually happens to conversations. Staring with proposal of solution to Palestine crisis and finishing with quarrel of which Eros boy is better bottom

Day 12, the last. Some may need tissues. Last day for me is always devoted to tourist program so I took canal boat to Talat Bobae market. Easy accessible and much, much smaller than Chatuchak , not very crowded makes good place to wander between stalls munching on some fruits and snacks. I did not buy anything but prices , specially for clothing there are very reasonable. Returned by the boat as well and walked according to sign on the pier 230 meters to a Jim Thompson house. He is a guy credited with reviving Thai cottage silk industry who disappeared into thin air in Malayasia in 1967 without a trace. House is actually few houses in a nice garden, sightseeing is with the guide only so I waited 20 minutes for start of my tour, entry 200 baht for foreigners. Quite interesting and due to compact size not tiring so worth trying, for lazy types there’s free shuttle tuk-tuk to and from National Stadium BTS. As with museums biggest part is souvenir shop and actually I splurged on some beautiful rag , spent 420 , thought I put it in my backpack but when I peeked inside while on the train thing was gone. Where, how and when I don’t know. Just disappeared , quite like Jim. Early afternoon I went to Senso, my first massage this trip was there and so it will be last thought I hoping Jack will be there this time but he was not. So I settled to Ton, tall guy with beard. Massage was Ok but went I tried to discover what is poking me from behind he turned out to be exceptionally well endowed. At first I thought silicon but under closer examination I did not see that being a case. WOW, wow, wow. So again Senso did not disappoint , my only concern is that at 4 they had only 4 boys available and when I was leaving at 5.30 it was the same number. But all very handsome and well built. I was a bit rushing home because at 6 I was expecting Alek for a last time, he came actually a bit earlier. He started with his ‘ you are my boyfriend ‘ but it was time to open eyes. I’m leaving , I will be very far and don’t even know when I will be back since for both this and next year I have some other trips to undertake. His eyes turned misty , then more and all of the sudden he burst into tears hiding his face in the towel. It did not take long before I needed my own towel, what a drama! He is telling me that his heart was never so broken since his boyfriend left him few years ago. Then I had this sobering moment : why we are crying if we had such a good time in last 2 weeks , shouldn’t we be happy that it happened instead of crying that is over ? It worked as charm, smiles returned, hugs followed , hands started wandering here and there , towels are drying and we are back in fun business. It looks that shedding clothes made us smiling again , certainly it was residue of washing powder which made us crying before! We even become hungry so we went to soi 4 again for the last supper. I was already packed and when time came to leave he was insisting to go with me to the airport, idea I was trying to discourage because it was late and he will be forced to take a taxi and all I can give him is 1500 I put aside as short time tip . He even did not want to take this money but when I told him that if he was in bar instead here he could land a client he resigned to his fate and took notes. Familiar route – Phaya Thai , City Link . We arrived at 11.45 , I suggested that he takes last train so last hugs and kisses on the platform. No tears this time , we are too old for that I guess. Wave good bye and he returned, I went to departure hall with enough time just to pass through emigration without haste. With no money left no need to stroll through duty free shops. Actually I found 10 baht coin in one of pockets so as always gave my last money to a cleaning lady. Another fun filled trip is over. Despite of what some may think I almost managed to keep it within budget. New invention was so many nights / 4 / spent with 2 boys. Not really my idea , I just wanted to swim with the flow. I think I still like one on one encounters better but if we don’t try , we don’t know. Having another quasi boyfriend again , it just happened. At least Alek fully understood meaning of butterfly and not even once tried to stop me from “betraying” him. No, I’m not a boyfriend material. I don’t believe in long distance relationships, friendships yes but nothing more. It was fun and joy but at times I thought that part of my holidays are on somebody else’s agenda. It was price worth paying although on longer vacations it could become a bit tiresome for somebody like me who likes unplanned holidays. If other party is involved it becomes much harder to make decision in a second. Not even once he asked me for money or more money. Only glitch on the trip was second night with inflated request for a tip but I did not dwell on the issue. I remember that I had another boy asking for more but as much as I hate those surprises he did because he could. Tawan monodiet was not boring nor exhausting, it looks that their boys have what I’m looking for. I don’t know what it is but they have it. I think it may be some maturity and understanding what both sides of a deal are supposed to get out of it. I guess they are just, well, men. I have regrets too. I could take Tao from BBB Inn at least once more. I’m still dreaming about offing Tiger long time. I should take at least once Dit from Arena and have massage with his brother Fai. I was not brave enough to try to off Mekhin in Tawan and one of Jupiter stars but I guess in two weeks one can’t have it all. I think despite of long and tiring flights I like two weeks stays better than longer ones . Enthusiasm is undiminished and budget easier to control. I liked Raya although is not for everybody’s budget and I was thrilled with my notoriety when I was passing with different boys every so often. Nantra Silom is great place to stay and value for money. Just for their price don’t expect too much Other than breakfast included I did not see much difference between Ambiance and Le Café Royale. I still like Bangkok better than Pattaya but perhaps I should give her more chance and spend at least 1 week there? It was great pleasure to spent so much time with Xiluzer and his crowd and to meet Williewillie in Pattaya and Anddy in Bangkok. Always fun to meet face behind the name and posts. If somebody enjoyed those reports I’m glad to hear. If somebody found them boring and useless I don’t take any offence if he tells me why. My apologies for lack of graphics and pictures. Since I use boys numbers and nicks I think some things should be kept unsaid.

it's why we went to Foodland for a breakfast

on the last trip arranged with two boys to show up before bar hours , one at 12 noon and another at 5 and I did not pay off fees. Just talked to them , slipped them hotels card with room number and that was it. Just be discreet , you don't need mamasan's for this. I paid off fee for last day but boy was supposed to show up at 6 as stay till I leave soe it was fair and I also paid fee for those two days I removed him to Pattaya.

Nantra Silom is good value for money. Some rooms can use more maintenance but generally over years I had only once issue there with room smelling durian. Location is great too- quiet corner but steps from Silom

Your description of Alek fits, not bald though but very short cut. He is new, started mid April. I'm surprised with phone issue, I never had buy there sitting with me and playing on his phone. May be I'm picking up poor and ugly? If you have a trouble of getting boys attention my word would be - forget him until he actually smiles at you. One with fake interest in you is still better than one who likes his games more. There are exceptions but few and far between. The same goes with massage boys