vinapu

actually #47 changed number to # 69, I should mention it in day 8 report but now I have a word from visiting dignitaries that he is back to #47. What reason it would be , I can only speculate but really I don't care. Also #3 Bos was using #23 when I saw him on the last trip. We are offing neither name nor number , we are taking home boy of interest, name and number irrelevant

yes he also goes by that nick but to me he introduced himself as Soda, this is also name some other members know him by so it looks he is using them both.

we have no control about what they talk about with themselves but certainly they talk. What they tell their friends is up to them and it is not always truth. I know my cases when boys either overestimated or underestimated tips received when talking to friends. and often when I ask how much they want they answer ' same you gave to XXX' So I'm not concerned about that part. While ago I wanted to off long time one of the Arena boys but he was very reluctant to go because he never went out with clients. Then all of the sudden he agreed, he told others and they , namely James told him I'm a good guy As for case at hand I was told by one of the boys what he told about me and I hope what I had to say was transmitted to him but I left it at that. I didn't want to get involved in any intrigues 'he said this, he said that" Bottom line is performance was good but boy was greedy and I don't have much time for greedy people in my life. Since few boys were offed by me more then once on this trip he should get that I did not like something,

Day 8 Sunday, lazy day for me . As mentioned Raya is to comfortable and sometimes I have problem leaving room. At 5 p.m. with friend from the same hotel but not our member we went to Arena. All in all this is my favorite massage place in BKK and usually I start every trip there but recently changed my ways. In December did not go there at all and on this trip only now. But I did not forget boys and certainly they did not forget me. Dit , my favorite from there come to say hallo right away and so did his brother Fai, an excellent masseur whom I immediately recommended to my friend. Art, the mamas an got a little weight and was curious why I was not there that long. Never ever since I started patronizing them on my first trip they disappointed me. There were several boys but of course first shot belongs always to Dit so off we went for usual 1.5 hr. session. Good massage and a lot of fun since I remembered his very ticklish spot and he knew very well how to defend himself. It ‘s good to feel like a kid once in a while. Tipped him generously as always, I was surprised he remembered our first long time off, what hotel we went to / BBB / and that in the morning he was walking me to BTS because I was going to Laos, it was 3 years ago ! Upon return to the lobby another smiling face recognizing me – James , quite muscular and very talkative boy I had massage with few times and offed him as well. Perhaps I should stop butterflying all over and park myself there like I did in Dec of 2014 ? I left all smiling as always. My friend was gone already , I strolled along Silom where street was closed today for Sunday market pretty well attended. In that crowd I met Tao from BBB Inn , my off from third night with their receptionist shopping for a supper treats. At 10 p.m. the same friend and I went to , surprise, Tawan. Yesterday I promised to off #48 Ton who was trying to extract that from me for a few nights but to my surprise, he passed by not even looking at me and hid himself at other end of bar where gym equipment is. WTF I thought, it was very strange. But it always helps to have friends in high places, Alek #20, whole excited about tomorrow escapade to Pattaya with me greeted me right away with reminder that he will be in the lobby at 11 and shortly after he came with news that #48 can’t do long time tonight for some reason. O Gee, couldn’t he just come and tell me that , after all I’m in Tawan?. There are a lot of substitutes and actually one was sitting just in front of me. No , not Alek, he got already a bit of business and will much more but #15 Boy. So no harm done Ton. But I guess he was trying to save a face pretending that he doesn’t see me so I went to his hiding corner , told him that it is Ok, slipped 100 baht deep in his briefs , hugged him and made a peace before even war started. It worked for me, truth is Boy is charming bastard, company of whom I adore. He is probably smallest of all Tawan boys but has this cheeky personality which I like. He was my first off from Tawan ever back in Dec 2014 , in May last year I offed him three times . I even suspect he may like me a bit. Even if he does not, I like him a lot, simply him more even that his lean body. He knows what he wants but also knows perfectly well why he is being offed. And he is OK with morning gymnastics I so like. So great time I had as always. But in the morning , on departure he tried to spoil my mood. Another request for 4000. With so many offs I did not even bother to ask him how much he wants in the bar but there he was. I gave him that extra 1000 without hesitation, he was worth that for me and possibly he even sensed it but I’m not that soft tough - I told him next time long time off will be 2000 and he kind of agreed. We will see in the future if I will hold to my promise, knowing me , I will. Quite possibly what z909 suggested earlier, he learned from #47 that he was successful so tried his luck, no doubt with success. After all that time another lesson learned, even if you know boy well make sure you repeat your terms before it’s too late. In contract with few nights before I was still happy, one of those cases where it’s better to overpay and smile than save and be forced to fake a grin. And so day 8 was over.

yes, that's him. I'm not offing bulky bodybuilders - too big for me. He is Lao I'm not changing any names, they are recorded as they presented themselves to me. Some names may be distorted due to pronunciation or boys may be using more than one nick. Keep in mind their bar friends may know them by their real names, quite the same like here on the forum . To some members we are known by our nick , to others by real name. Since from post in another thread it looks you are there just call them over and ask their name, you can even tip Alek #20 if you want. Hope this cleared your concerns

it's why my first 8 trips to Thailand were always combined with one of the countries in the region - Cambodia, Burma , Laos , Vietnam and Indonesia

I agree , nice respite after hustle and bustle of big city

few pictures from Kanchanaburi trip for those who are thinking about going there or never heard about the place attachment=16884:P1200078.JPG]

Day 7 So Bos left and since it was 6 and breakfast at Raya starts at 7 I went to Foodland Patpong to east something, American breakfast is 62 baht there between 5.30 and 9 a.m. Nothing fancy but filing enough. At 7 van picked me up from Raya, we went to some other place in Sanam Luang where I was directed to change to another van and after about 2 hours of quite pleasant drive we stopped in front of Kanchanaburi War Cemetery where our guide met us. Not that she sweat much , just told us to go and see and be back in ½ hr. Place is very well maintained so I strolled among the graves wondering about idiocy of war and sacrifices those guys made sent that far by their governments. I was quite moved actually my those thoughts. Than we were taken to nearby Museum from where there’s good view to bridge over river Kwai of book and movie fame. With some spare time I surveyed market across the street, quite a few interesting t-shirts but mostly regular tourist junk we so love to buy and then wonder where were our eyes then. Next step was to board the train trundling over greenery of rural Thailand, I had nice conversation with my seat neighbors, my compatriots by sheer coincidence. It looks that they paid 600 less for the same trip but their guide was collecting 100 baht from for train ticket and mine was already included. After about 1 hr. we left train to jump to our van and after 10 minutes we were invited for a lunch in riverside restaurant. Food was simple but delicious light fare , just perfect for a heat. Wi-fi worked perfectly in such a remote spot and I was able to catch with forum postings . Our next step was a waterfall but courtesy of drought actually waterless at this time , interesting sight nevertheless. We managed to reach Bangkok just before afternoon rush crush and I was dumped in front of hotel. Pleasant and enjoyable trip , free of unnecessary guides chatter which I’m not big fan of, time and money well spent although certainly can be had for less than my 1600 I paid or rather overpaid.. No, I did not take any boy with me although an idea crossed my mind but I decided against. I like exploring new places and if boy is not interested in them we may get both upset. I had a taste of that last year when I took boy to Muang Boran and he became bored quite fast so I was forced to cut visit short. After such a hard day I decided to get a massage so went around the corner to Bangkok Massage in soi Twilight. My regular from there Namu was absent which I noticed few days ago, apparently he landed a boyfriend and according to his brother also working there he is happy. So I took Lek, 100 % gay , tall and muscular guy. It makes nice contrast , Tawan type men sounding and behaving very feminine but massage was excellent and fun even better. I like my men muscular and muscled one he is. Dinner at Maxi this time. On every trip I like to patronize at least once my favorite dining places :Dick’s . Maxi, Madrid , Oasis and of course Foodland Patpong. Everywhere I have my favorite dish, at Dick’s rice Casimir / chicken with marasquino cherries / , at Maxi Wienner schnitzel, at Oasis of course chicken with cashew nuts, at Madrid cheese/spinach white pizza and at Foodland their breakfast. In the evening I joined Xiluzer and his friends in an escapade to , you guessed rightly , Tawan, since on his trip I’m on serious bar monodiet. Tiger, Od and Boy were missing in action, #47 was trying to get my attention again but I went only for shaking hands and saying halloo, #20 Alek is scheduled to go with me to Pattaya so resigned to his fate of being sidetracked tonight but still was visibly happy about incoming foray. I thought Bos # 3 will not be inclined to suffer indignity of second sleepless night in row but I was wrong, “ I go with you?” , ‘yes’ said I but after the show , he was ready to go in no time. In meantime I was object of interest for # 48 Ton. He was around me yesterday , today he came to shake hands and flex muscles even more. Brown skinned, very muscular , 110 % my type. A bit reluctant to go long time but since I already fixed Bos for tonight I promised I will take him tomorrow. I always dispense an advice to go for boys who are at least a bit interested in us so I need to follow my own wisdom, we will see what happens. Again Bos and me marched to Raya on opposite sides of Suriwong, this time I was kind enough to suggest it myself to his visible joy. Fact is, again I saw him talking to few guys on his way so obviously he is well known on this stretch for one reason or another. He told me he was DJ at XBoys for a few years. Great gymnastics after such a busy day. Breakfast finished day 7, Bos went home to catch up on sleep and I started day 8 with stroll to Lumpini.

one by one , I'm not big fan of crowds LOL

I'm glad they were there , not chased back home by the recent raids. I miss them all

Thank you, you have a good heart ! Some may find them boring for lack of graphics but there are parts i like to leave just to myself and boys. What standards you are talking about? Whoring? I may be a bit progressive when comes to number of visitors and length of their stay in my room but Raya people across the street from Patpong and beside soi Twilight likely saw it all and more. I saw plenty in my 8 days there. But yes , I recommend Raya as long as one is willing for fork out a bit more for an accommodation. I felt pampered there.

Day 6 After night spent in somewhat crowded bed I was busy doing nothing till noon. This is danger of staying in comfortable hotel with spacious room. I’m feeling so pampered that hardly I’m tempted to go out. But urge to get massage chased me out, not that I need to go far, with soi Twilight around the corner literally in a minute I was climbing stairs to Bonny to ask if Sokchai, my favorite from there in on duty. I met him already twice in Lumpini and promised to pay him a visit and as always I’m glad I did. Great massage and 1.5 hr, 1500 tip. Never disappointed with him. One day I need to take him long time but Bonny’s off fee of 1000 baht is putting me of an idea. Then I went to travel office in Saphan Taksin station to book tour to Kanchanaburi for tomorrow, 1600 baht. After return to the hotel call from Xiluzer staying on the same floor. He got a call from his friend mamas an at Hero , they are operating at new location and all we need is to go to Bering station , give him a call and somebody will pick us up. Joined him and his friends and our pack of 6 braved rush hour on BTS, it took exactly 40 minutes from Sala Daeng to Bearing. There we had a bit of problem locating exit where car will be waiting but thanks to modern technology soon we found our car and driver. Place now is called Super Hero. Xiluzer already posted some pictures from that visit in Hero Closing thread and we weren’t impressed. Place looks worn and only few boys on duty, some new , some familiar faces from old location. We were given a VIP tour of premises, not much to write home about but at least it looked functional and showers clean so for good beginning most of us gave them a business and took massages. My choice was Charoon, veteran of old place with impressive muscles and I must say while ambiance of new place is substandard, massage and service was close to perfection, probably better than anything I ever had at old place. When showering he made sure to soap even soles of my feet. Great massage and afters so I have impression that there’s future for SuperHero in soi 78. Certainly worth of trouble of getting there. On our way back excesses of the last night turned against me and my head started collapsing ready to go to a sleep. Somehow I managed to stay awake, after all day is not over yet. As you noticed I’m on bar monodiet this trip so evening fun was to be had again at Tawan. Nice surprise, Bos, now #3, my first off from last Dec trip appeared. We both instantly recognized each other , hugs , smiles and all. Today is his first day after more than 2 months hiatus so he was very willing to accompany me tonight , deal sealed to disappointment of my other boys . #20 Alek was less jealous because of promise of taking him to Pattaya in few days. #48 Ton , very well built brown skinned boy started moves to secure my business, we will see what future brings because I like him and his steely muscles. Time is getting tight and it’s only half trip today. #47 is not losing hope of future offs but tough luck, smile and shaking hands yes but not more. After the show we went to the hotel, he asked me to walk separately so I suggested we use opposite sides of Suriwong. He was working in soi Twilight before and has still friends there so likely did not want to be seen with grey haired farang and I fully understand that. On way to Raya I observed he stopped at least three times for short chat with somebody so certainly had a point. We met in the elevator. Reception must be getting impatient with me , for a first time they asked my boy to leave ID. Great finish to another great day of vacations, in the morning he was complaining about lack of sleep but noticed that I’m not tipping him for just sleeping. Certainly he was happy to land off on his first day and I was happy for such a reunion with another well built muscly Tawan specimen. He skipped breakfast and went home to sleep . asked to leave at 6 which I granted gladly because at 7 I’m supposed to be picked up for my trip. And that was end of day 6.

This is what upset me as well when I had that request, I thought I'm cooked with such high fee and all boys will be demanding the same but to my relief and their credit it only happened twice more in the whole trip, handling will be reported in due course. So yes they talk and know what we paid / all my boys subsequently offed knew that I paid 4000 to #47 / and yes they accepted their 3000 baht fate. Two who wanted more at least did not use an argument that I paid that much to their friend. Fact that almost everybody was offed more then once and if was not, at least I was asking for them in bar in days of their absence probably did not escape their attention I guess. Most boys rather be offed twice for 3000 than once for 4000. As for agreeing up front - I always do beginning from second off on my trip nr 1 back in 2001. It's why additional requests are pissing me off immensely. Talking about overpaying 1000 per session in relation to Bill Gates wealth is going overboard. It's only 30$ times 12 =360, . lots of money but certainly not worth losing sleep over even for somebody of meager means like me. As for planning of paying - sometimes we need to weigh if we should stand by our principles , whatever they are and risk of creating scene or commotion or just let it go. I had a case back in 2013 when I stand my ground to lazy and greedy Dreamboy boy and I don't recall it fondly. Sure I saved money but standoff was upsetting enough to spoil vacations quite a bit. At end of day we need to make our own move when confronted by lazy or greedy boy, my option is to pay him to leave since it happens rarely enough. In 13 trips I recall 5 offs where I think my money was wasted, 15000 baht total, 1153 per trip, by sheer coincidence this is what taxi from my place to the airport costs.

alone ?

didn't I say 'no sandwich was prepared" ?

Whatever it was, left good long lasting feeling

I think z909 meant if boys will return to their countries pool of them available THERE will improve.

Day 5 After Alek left I packed up because staying in the same room 4 days was boring enough and moved across the corridor to treat myself with executive room size of my condo for next four night. After all it’s my birthday today . Then taxi to Platinum Mall inspired by xiluzer’s shirt purchased there yesterday. I’m not big on malls, shopping and clothing so actually upon arrival instead of immersing myself in the mall I walked to Bayioke Sky hotel hoping to get to the viewing platform at the top. I expected lines but it was very easy , got ticket right away , 350 baht including fruit buffet on 19th floor. It was quite clear day and vista from the top was exceptional , I spent good hour on the revolving platform up there enjoying not only view but also refreshing breeze . Fruit buffet nothing special but I like fruits and ice cream so had nice substitute for a lunch. On my way back went to the cavernous Platinum mall but nothing took my fancy and after hour or two of wandering there with great relief I marched all the way to Chit Lom BTS. At 5 p.m. I met Xiluzer and his friends also staying in Raya and we took taxi to Prince. I was suggesting just walking there but majority rules so we spent next hour in air-conditioned taxi snailing in the traffic. Prince was very busy and five of us added even more crowd. At one moment 5 clients were lining up at the counter to pay for a massage ! Some former Hero boys are already there . I picked up Mao, not THAT Mao though who delivered very good massage rewarded with 1500 tip, after we were all done it turned out we all were happy with our selections. Because of my birthday friends treated me with ice cream feast at Silom Centre where we mover after Prince. Then after two days of absence trek to Tawan where few boys sat at my table with birthday wishes, even to my surprise, #47 came to shake my hand and suggested that he may be my birthday ‘s night companion but sorry , no, thank you for reason already explained. I was not sure whom to off, was planning Tiger or Boy but they weren’t there , in meantime Od and Alek knitted new idea of offing both of them for sandwich , threesome and you name it. I’m not big fan of crowd in the bed but since I like both boys , why not ? I had extra towel in the room stolen from cleaner’s cart already after all. Idea was of both boys , not mine, hence no danger of awkward situation so Happy Birthday Vinapu , to cheer of bar boys three of us marched out to Raya buying some snacks as we walked to the room. Passing by reception I was so proud. Good time we had although no sandwich was prepared and consumed. Having no shame in the morning I went to reception to purchase extra breakfast, girl accepted request with wide smile not even asking why I’m so hungry. Not a single brew was raised in the breakfast room and it could be seen why. There was one Japanese with a girl and another one with a boy so we blended in nicely. I walked both boys down to a street level and this was end of day 5. I’m still smiling.

yes I was on the fifth floor whole stay, this is where reception is

Day 4 Today cultural day for me, after breakfast taxi to National Museum . Good deal, from Suriwong to Sanam Luang 80 baht. Museum itself quite interesting , Louvre it is not but I spent few hours wandering between exhibitions in various pavillons. Then through mayhem of buses offloading millions of mainly Chinese visitors to the Grand Palace to the river and boat back to Saphan Taksin. Always interesting sight to see life on the mighty Chao Praya river. Going home I felt a bit hungry so dropped at Madrid Tavern on Patpong, only place in the entire world where I like pizza. Praise and glory to ChristianPFC who introduced that place to me and where we dined together few times. Thank you Christian if you are reading those words. At 5 p.m. I was expecting visit of Od #14 from Tawan , my most offed boy from there but being Thai boy he showed up at 6 but we still had very enjoyable 2 hour discussion about world peace. People on reception barely could catch their breaths because seconds after they handed him back his ID elevator opened with next ’ friend’ visiting me, Alek #20 as agreed few days ago. I gave him money for off fee already so he was free to stay whole night. No jealousy because he saw Od leaving for simple reason, night before they both were offed by client for even more in depth world peace discussions along with class on sandwich preparation I presume. Not before long he made suggestion that I may repeat that feast tomorrow because he likes me and Od as well. Things to consider for sure. Even stronger suggestion was made upon learning that I’m planning to go to Pattaya that since I’m his boyfriend / that’s novelty for me/ I will take him with me there. He worked hard enough that by the breakfast I was sold on idea. Last May I took boy from Pattaya to BKK so why not to try other direction? It looks that I’m spending holidays realizing somebody else’s agenda but what the heck ! After hour or two we left for dinner in soi 4 at his suggestion / I don’t like soi 4 / , probably he wanted to show off his new catch to his friends over there working in Telephone bar. After that we went to see show at Hot male, quite a nice selection there so on departure I left not one but of 2 my customary tips to best looking boys . in my entire life I was not called boyfriend as many times as in last few hours but I let him to have it because I like him a lot and plenty although not enough to change my modified butterfly ways . Upon return to the hotel next series of knowing smiles and even more when we went for breakfast. My reputation in Raya is in ruins but at least I hope they can see my good taste when comes to boys, LOL . And day 4 finished in stolen kisses in the elevator.

yes, they do, you will find them just before escalator down to the train platform but in contrast to airport proper outlets they are not open 7/24 so if one is arriving late, tough luck

you are right, it was great but unheralded place with cute boys always at front

2001 was also my first year in Thailand and in Bkk 2000 was standard rate for long time, at least this is what mamasan in my first bar , non-existing now told me . What he forgot to tell me is that it was also short time rate so i paid long time tip 2000 for short time encounter. To this day I remember boy';s happy smile and squeak of joy he made when given money. But then , as always in the past water was more wet than is now

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