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Wasn’t exactly referring to laziness in bed but rather laziness in life. They find it hard returning to a normal job which requires hours of work for the same compensation of having their cock grabbed, even when they are well aware of they have aged out of the game . Which is why you see fat ageing bar boys working the same stage year after year. And I don’t mean being practical and going where the money is good. Some of them just want an easy life of working 3 hours, drinking the rest of the night; and sleeping until 6 pm. 

Update #4
Thursday 
AM:  Didn't do much but to sleep in and collect my clothes from the laundry Shop.
PM: Went to Tawan and met with another forum member. Not much customers, only 1 show for the night, only few big veterans boys are present. Didn't see my preferred boy to off but still stayed throughout the show with my two numbers boys K and D while our good friend from this forum left with his boy. By the end of the night I took K back to my room for a heart to heart conversation 🤣🤣🤣
 
Friday 
AM: nothing worth reporting. Just a day out with my lady friends exploring different malls until we somehow ended up in Icon Siam.
PM: I went to Big Boys Bar at around 22:45hrs with a hopeful expectations but found out that I'm the sole customer in a very annoying loud bar. Around 23:00hrs a M/F couple came. The mamasan/papasan(?) said they will start the show by 23:30hrs.
Now, the Boys? I see a couple of guys from old Tawan/atlas, out-of-shape "puffed" J and another lean guy I don't know the name of.
Others I'm not familiar with but maybe only two to three boys (two who did the show and one hunky pleasant faced boy) I see is on a ever so slightly better physique. Most of the boys on the stage are out of shape or down right fat. Some looking bored and uninterested, others so focused on their phones. 😩🫩😕🫤
The show is a pathetic 😑 just 4 different acts. 1st is a slightly muscly guy grinding with is hands on the chains connected on two opposite dance poles. 2nd is a Khatoey lip syncing. 3rd is another muscle guy dance grinding with his dick out. And lastly a Khatoey dancing with a peacock headdress. So that's all the cocks shown in their 15 minute show.
The mamasan/papasan(?) said next show is after 40mins.
AlsoI shouldn't have worn my white shirt and shorts here as I could be mistaken as one of the boys, and if I removed my shirt I could be dragged up on the stage with my fatty arse with the other "big" boys 🤣 🤣 🤣.
The place lacks PROPER bulky muscly men. Well the name did say BIG BOYS bar, but they didn't define what kind of BIG they meant.
I'm a self proclaimed muscle worshiping enthusiast and Chubby chaser but the place left me disappointed. 
I can only describe the place as sad. 😔
I've given out a few red notes to the boys who actually cared to say hello and chat a bit and to the performer who approached. As I prepared to leave by 23:45hrs a couple of east Asian guys came and were seated on the next table, a few minutes later I bolt out of the premises and headed to Tawan to appease my longing heart.
Tawan was also with very few customers 12 to be exact the whole night according to my number boys K and D. My preferred muscle boy is not present again today, i think there is an ongoing or upcoming bodybuilding competition happening somewhere, that all of my favourite personal trainer Tawan boys run off to. Anyway I brought my number boy D back in my room for an in-depth interview.
 
Tawan totally dropped the need for token/ticket at the entrance and adopted how other gogo bars do, enter, sit and pay for first drink. The only tickets they are giving is tickets to the boys who you buy drinks to, for them to claim their measly THB100 commission from the cost of the drink.
For Big Boy Bar, you pay outside, ticket given to the Mamasan/papasan/waiter/host that will seat you in. Like @jason1975 said I also didn't get good vibes before and after going in. The boys there are not engaging, busy with their phones, looks like they want to be anywhere than to be there and don't actively look at the customers. So much for a Host bar 😛
Total opposite of Tawan or even Goodboys.
That's the end of this update.
 
 

Update #3
I'm writing this update on my bed today Thursday early morning at 04:00am.
It seems my body clock is messed up and can't adjust 🤣🤣
I haven't had an update as I was busy with accompanying two of my non-scene lady friends, first timers in Bangkok, becoming their tour guide and porter hahaha
 
Tuesday Evening 
Let's see, hmmm I went to Tawan bar by 22:45hrs to watch the show and see a prospective off for a different day (3 of whom I'm quite fits the bill 🤤). There was only me and around 5 or 6 other customers one of which was celebrating their Birthday there, who I actually recognise due to plenty of videos on X with him on it.
I saw lots familiar faces and bodies from the boys too. The show was good from the vanilla big cock show, the BJ show, until the hardcore fuck show as their highlight 😍🥰😁 and they did the scene longer than it usually was 😳👍. Of all the boy bars in Silom ghetto I've visited so far only Tawan does the fuck show. I'm not sure about the new Big boys bar if they do too but I will know once I go there next time. 
After the show and once the bar closed I invited 3 of the number boys of Tawan for a meal at the @surawong restaurant not too far away. The place was nice and they do live music too, food was tasty and we all enjoyed the meals especially the Beef Tongue and Fried Sea Bass.
After we finished our meals and copious amount of beer we left and said our see you laters after they dropped me back to my hotel around 02:30 hrs.
Satisfied I returned back to my room and slept.
 
Wednesday 
I woke up by 8:00 HRS and decided to have a small snack, a egg salad sandwich I bought from 7-eleven then dozed off again. Woke up by 11:00 HRS and realised I'm running out of fresh clothes, so I quickly packed my dirty laundry and marched up to S.T. Laundry behind Park Silom.
Having no actual plans today and already informed my lady friends that I'm sleeping in all day today to rest, I had a quick view on my Line app and saw Jey Spa and it's available boys.
I haven't been to Jey Spa yet so I decided to give it a try. I wanted to book Ball but I saw in his Instagram that he was in Japan and as confirmed by the admin he was currently on vacation not available now.
Now I was torn between JayJay or Phong, in the end I choose to book Phong instead because he has the massive muscle build that I love 🥰😍🤤. I booked for 14:00HRS 90mins Oil massage in their deluxe VIP room and I was quoted THB1250. The admin also mentioned that Phong can Top or Bottom and mentioned his expected tip. This was quite helpful for me as I don't need to negotiate the tip and won't be surprised if I'm asked the rate I'm not expecting.
So now from Park Silom I have enough time to travel via BTS to the location.
By 13:50hrs I've reached Jey Spa and Phong with his massive build welcome me at the door. After paying the room we headed up to the next floor, deluxe room is just a room with a double bed with a shower inside but no toilet. I was guided to shower first while he go get his paraphernalia then once he came back and took shower afterwards.
With his strong hands he started the massage from my lower body to my back, the massage was ok. An hour through the massage he already started to be more intimate with his hands. And once in a while aims his girthy member to my face which I gladly receive.
I was getting a little worried if appendage of his can even fit me later as it's already a mouthful 🤣🤣🤣. Then my anticipation ends when he started aiming it down there and as expected I had difficulties receiving it without wincing. Phong is not aggressive helped me relax and suggested to sat on him so I'll be in control, completely opposite from the time I had with one of the Arena guys whose very forceful and I did not fully enjoyed the experience then 😵‍💫.
After a few minutes of trying, from just the tip till successfully accommodated the full member. It became pleasurable, rough and intense and, I was manhandled and I had a blast (😉😏🫣🤣🤣🤣). Full 90 mins worth all the penny spent. Jey Spa you just earned a loyal customer here 🤣🤣🤣
Leaving Jey Spa with trembling legs like I was coming from an intense workout or a marathon I walked towards the BTS but went to explore EMquater and Emporium malls first before heading back to my hotel room. 
I've reached back to my room around 18:30HRS I realised how famished I was having only a small egg salad sandwich from today morning. I'm feeling a bit sore so I don't want to go anywhere right now so I decided to buy some quick hot meals from 7-Eleven and brought it back to my room to eat. 
Took a shower after and by that time it's already 20:30 hrs. I've decided against visiting Big Boys tonight for an early rest.
And so why I'm here right now posting this at 06:30 HRS finishing my report hahaha
I'll be snoozing now 😴💤
 
 
 
 
 
 

Update #2
The last couple of days nothing much interesting to share. Just shopping, enjoyed Guido's sausages two nights in a row 😉🤣🤣, and visiting bars I didn't had a chance to go to from my past few times I'm here like Banana Room, Jupiter, Moonlight, etc. I also didn't off anyone yet as I'm still in the rediscovery state of my return to Bangkok and I haven't prepared myself yet 🤣 🤣 🤣 
 
Sunday
I checked out from 56 Surawong and checked in to Raya by 12:00hrs. Afternoon around 13:00hrs I went to Chatuchak Weekend Market. I opt to do shopping for souvenirs at the first few of days of my trip so I won't forget the things my friends request from here. Basically, Thai beauty products for the ladies, Thailand shirts (love the ones with Thai food graphics like mango sticks rice, pad Thai, etc.) for the gents, some cute stuffed indigo elephant key chains, Cha tra mue Thai Tea and miscellaneous stuffs for the others. This is just to get over it and mark it out of my to do list. I returned to my hotel by 17:00hrs exhausted from the heat, rain and walking, I took a quick shower and slept till evening.
Woke up by 21:30hrs fixed myself up and decided to go to G's for my first German Sausage of this trip 🤣.

By 22:30hrs I headed to Jupiter.
Jupiter only has a handful of boys I may consider to off (the boys don't have numbers here to my confusion), they also don't seem to be approachable even if I wanted to give some red note tips, so didn't, I'm too shy to call em. The music too loud on where I sat by the left side of the stage with the mamasan pestering me all night. Not much people there maybe 15-20 customers during the time I was there.

I left after the show and returned to my room immediately fell asleep due to fatigue during the day.
 
Monday
I slept like a rock until 12:15 hrs and decided to go to MBK to see if they have something I was looking for. I went first for lunch in Park Silom at Kub Kao Kub Pla and ordered the sun dried pork appetizer and the fried sea bass in tamarind sauce for the main. I didn't know the sea bass is a big portion dish hahaha I forced myself to finish it anyway, tasty 😋 🤣 🤣 

I didn't find what I was looking for in MBK after roaming around the mall for a few hours.
So same as yesterday I returned from MBK by 17:00hrs and slept in my room till 21:30hrs and when to G's for dinner this time I had Guido's Austrian Cheese Sausage 😋🤣🤣 then left to visit Moonlight.

 
To Moonlight, I was here for the first show and only about 12 customers. Sat at back right side of the stage. None of Number boys are my type, as for the models I like how big and chunky Mr.Tum is 🤤.

Babe was there, but no Nicky, no Tiger and no Nut 😕. Boss is there looking cute but still too twinky for me. Only the production numbers where Mr.Tum performed are the ones I actually enjoyed. I left around 23:45 and walk towards the soi where the other boy bars are located with no predetermined bar to go to.
Fresh boys and Hot male touts are busy with their phones and only the Dreamboy tout dragged me inside for the last show of the night. Last year I enjoyed the show here so I let myself be dragged inside. This time, it's not very entertaining; the big cock show? didn't like it, the performers looks so emaciated.
There were only about 6 boys left on stage none of them is enticing. In a normal day I would off #46 the mustache/beardy guy but I don't feel him tonight. I was looking for #2 the uncle but he was already taken. I left after the show and went back to my hotel to rest, my feet were still very sore from all the walking for last couple of days of Shopping in the day time and going to the bars at night.
It seems that I accomplished my weekly steps goal in just two days hahaha 🤣
Tomorrow I plan to visit the Big Boy bar and Than Tawan bar in the evening and maybe Fresh boys and Hot male bar the next day.
After visiting all of them, I'll decide where to frequent for the rest of my trip days and starting offing the ones I like. 
Later part of my trip is also to start visiting Massage places I haven't been to like Ssense, senso, prince, history, Tcs, prestige, and others.
I don't think I can visit everything due to limited funds and I don't want to stress my self out so I'll just see which of which I'll be able to go this time around and add the rest to next years to do list.
Again, this year's Bangkok trip nothing was planned beforehand so I'll just wing it and do whatever I feel like. Heck, even the things I planned may get sacked too if I'm not in the mood hahaha 🤣 🤣 🤣 
That's it for now for this update!
 

After dinner, it was off to the bars. I made a stop at Good Boy to pick up Handsome Guy. Then Handsome Guy, forum member and I went upstairs to Freshboy. I ordered a bottle of Chivas - 4000 baht with unlimited mixers. About 40 boys tonight. However, 12 boys were offed by a single Asian customer (to go drinking). Next to our table, two boys were seated with farang customer with bottle of whisky. Other boys were sitting individually with customers. Fewer than 20 boys available left. A group of 10 Japanese ladies came in just to watch the show and they were shrieking when they saw the big cock shows. 6 big cock guys came around for tips at end of 2nd show. Forum member and I showed our appreciation by tipping all 6 guys. It became 5 guys at end of 3rd show after midnight because one guy got offed. Enjoyable evening overall and I was especially happy as I discovered Handsome Guy used to work in massage shop. He gave me excellent finger, hand, shoulder and back massage while we watched the show. I was in happy mood and I ended up spending 2k on tips - big cock show guys, cute waiters, ladyboy diva performers, boys who came to drink with us and even mamasan - my last 100 baht note went to her on way out the door!

Why did I go to Platinum Mall in afternoon? Because I found out that cute Myanmar waiter at Rainbow Dragon is a big football fan. He supports German national team so I bought him the latest Germany World Cup jersey. He was appreciative when I gave it to him and of course I got him to try it on. Perfect fit for his tall strapping frame (and cute smile!)

Heard there is a new BigBoy Bar, have you try this, wonder how is their line up and show

Tonight I took Music Guy to Beef. My 3rd time this trip and all with different guys. It was packed as it was a Saturday night. Music Guy and I danced in front of the DJ consoles and we kissed openly. Besides the drinks that came with the cover charge, we had additional tequila shots. At about 12:30am, I felt there were too many people and I told Music Guy we should leave. It took us a while to squeeze our way out and there was still a steady stream of people coming in. Just next to Beef is a bar with live bar. Unable to resist, I pulled Music Guy inside and we had beer while we enjoyed the live music. The atmosphere in the bar became even more lively when a big group of well-dressed Thais came in. They had came from a wedding (possibly nearby Crowne Plaza Hotel?) A few minutes later, the bride and groom joined the party. The groom even sang a song with the live band to his new wife. Music Guy and I happily took in the experience. We were drunk but thoroughly enjoyed ourselves on this Saturday night.

yes the smoking guy in a bathrobe was one! the other two were the guy jerking off to a magazine, and the guy playing a violin.

Heard there is a new BigBoy Bar, have you try this, wonder how is their line up and show

yes you read it right!
out of the eight musical acts at Jupiter bar (Silom Soi 4), three have nudity!
and I don’t mean rear nudity, or flash-and-tease kind of nudity.
I mean FULL FRONTAL nudity for more than a few seconds!
perhaps many already knew about this, but it still came as a surprise to me, as there wasn’t any nudity during my previous visits (recent one was November 2025).
and some of these are new acts I have never seen before too! definitely a good sign, as the previous acts were getting a little predictable and boring.
as for the boys on rotation, there were about 18 of them on a Friday night, 3 of whom I would consider off-ing.
especially the boy who was also a dancer in several acts. tanned, swimmer-built, wearing a necklace, with a tattoo on his right back. does anyone happen to know his name?
I tipped him a red note, and he seemed pleasantly surprised. I should have sat him down for a drink…oh well.
the boys did three rounds of rotation: first round in red speedos and a red translucent coat, second round in black undies, and third round in jeans.
sadly, the tables were less than 40% filled on a Friday night, from 22:30 till midnight.
although it’s Pride Month, it seems like June is a low season for tourists?
and guess what? there were more female customers than male! what a travesty!

Visited Big Boy bar on the 21st and thought would offer my observations. Am now killing time before my flight out so turned out longer than I intended, readers interested in dry facts please only refer to the next paragraph, khop khun krap.
 
Tl;dr drinks at 400 baht, only Asian customers during my visit, while some boys were offered drinks didn't see any offs, shows similar to other bars performed at 10:30, around 12, and 1.
 
The bar itself is indeed difficult to find and I would not have known of it without the help of this forum. Even with basic instructions (near derby king) I had to walk past it a couple of times before finding the entrance. Its entrance is next to a massage shop and while some Asian customers were deciding whether to get a massage (from the sheepish expression on one patron, maybe more than just massages?), I walked up to the barker for the bar and indicated I wanted in (I'd already walked past a couple times and he hadn't tried to get my attention - do I not look like I would enjoy watching naked boys on stage?) There was no price indicated on the menu, so I asked him the price (tao rai krap) to which he replied 400 baht (my efforts in learning my neung song sam sis wasted once again).
 
Up the flight of stairs to discover the establishment to be around at half occupancy. They seemed to be mostly local (of both genders) with some Chinese? mixed in, if I had to guess. Indeed, during my stay, I think I only saw Asian customers. Ordered water (nam kaew, but I think I messed up the accent because the mamasan seemed amused), upon which I discovered this bar only had bottled water.
 
I arrived close to 11, and the show soon ended with the mamasan promising the next one would begin in 40 minutes. Most of the customers left at this time, and only a couple of Japanese (of the fairer sex) arrived later so the bar was left sadly empty but I was offered a seat close to the stage, so silver linings? During the interval the boys came up on stage (2 groups that rotated every so often), more than 10 and similar to the number of boys at Hotmale, to my estimation. Some of them, like the bar name suggested, were big but had seen some years, but there were younger ones too. I had already offed a boy from another bar and was waiting for him to arrive so didn't call anyone over, but there were a couple I wouldn't have minded getting to know better.
 
Soon after my boy arrived to discover that he and the mamasan knew each other (he used to be a manager at the building he stayed in?). As for the show, I thought it was similar to the shows at the other bars with a mixture of boys and lip syncing, but my boy was less than impressed by the show (mai sanuk) and he would be the expert on such matters. The show didn't feel too long, with the next one promised at 1am. We left (drinks were indeed si roi baht), grabbed some food at foodland and retired to the hotel. When we were leaving, one of the boys grabbed me and told me that he had seen me the other day going into another bar?, which told me that it was indeed time to head back home.

continued…Installment 7: I am going to be out of pocket for a couple of days.  Paradise guy is taking two days off for our so-called ‘trip’.  My idea of a trip and his are entirely two different things.  Guess that’s what happens when my Thai is non-existent, and his English is very limited.  lol. I had envisioned we were going someplace exotic and relaxing outside of the city.  His definition of trip was taking me to various places around Bangkok for two days that he wanted to make sure I saw or experienced.  Anyway, that’s taking place Thursday and Friday until the evening.  One of his buddies at the shop has a birthday on Friday and they are having an after-hours party once the shop closes at midnight.  To be fair, he did invite me but I politely declined the invitation.  I am pretty sure he knew I would, as well as was probably hoping I would!  Basically I am the tourist and he is my guide.
I actually laid low during the day on Wednesday.  Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop.  Ultimately decided it was perhaps a good idea to do some laundry if the next two days would be completely occupied.  Actually connected with another forum member who happens to be in town now and we made plans to meet for drinks later in the evening.  It will be nice to actually meet with someone in person.  I headed over to Silom planning to arrive around 8:15 or thereabouts.  I knew the other forum member had special plans late afternoon and would probably be at dinner around that time.  I wanted to walk around and check out some of the other venues.  As I was walking past Rainbow Dragon, I was stopped by their barker and I took a quick glance at their menu.  I had no idea what type of club it was, and before I knew it he had grabbed my arm and was dragging me inside.  It is a small place with perhaps 8 booths that can hold four persons in each, long bar with stools, and that’s about it.  I sat in the first booth and ordered one drink.  I was not planning to stay long.  In the next booth was a gentleman who had to be at least five years older than me.  Oh, and for those who may not know, this is a host bar.  There was one bar tender, one host sitting with the older gentleman, the barker outside and one other person who acted as a waiter.  Turns out he was also a host.  There was a group of four persons sitting at the last booth down, but they left shortly after I arrived.  A couple soon arrived and occupied one of the other empty booths.  I finally asked the guy who took my drink order what his official position was, and he said he was one of the hosts.  So, I invited him to join me and bought him a drink.  We chatted for a good ten or fifteen minutes.  He was just my type, too.  He said the owner is from California originally and that all of the guys working there are from Myanmar.  English was quite good.  During our conversation, the older gentleman got up to leave.  As he was heading to the exit, his host actually followed him outside.  From this I kind of assumed that the host was going home with the gentleman.  So, I asked the guy sitting with me if that, in fact, was taking place.  He explained the owner does not allow the employees to be taken off during hours.  What they do after the bar closes is their own business, but during open hours they socialize but never go off with customers.  Naturally, I had to pursue that just a bit further and asked if he ever arranged to meet customers for some fun after the bar closes.  Answer was affirmative, so I went one step further and asked if he would like to get together with me. Everyone saw this coming, didn’t you.  lol.  Exchanged contact info, and he said he actually preferred meeting people before going to work instead of when the bar closes.  Closing time is 3am, so rather late to try and connect he said.  That certainly works out better for me as well.  So we exchanged contact info and will plan for a time to meet next week.
By this time I had heard from the forum member asking if I was in the area now and where did we want to meet.  He had already been to Freshboy and Goodboy, so would prefer someplace different.  Options considered were Hotmale, Moonlight or Dreamboys.  Neither of us were really keen on Moonlight, and I was wanting to check out Hotmale anyway to see if the young man I took off with me in October was still working there.  So, we agreed to meet at Hotmale, which was right down the soi from my current location.  Took me less than five minutes to wrap things up at Rainbow Dragon and head on over.  Be about 30 minutes before the other forum member would get there.  I knew it was early, so didn’t think there would be many customers yet.  When I went inside, there were no other customers.  I was the one and only.  Probably about 12-15 guys in house doing their rotation on stage with no customers.  lol.  I still do not understand the thinking behind that.  Anyway, I recognized my October tryst right away.  He was still there, and he recognized me as well.  Had this great big smile on his face.  Couldn’t resist and did not hesitate to invite him over right away.  I wasn’t about to take any chance that someone else would come in and scoop him up before I could make my move.  Didn’t even bother to discuss business with mamasan.  Warned the forum member that when he arrived I was already inside and might have some company with me.  Also let him know that we might be the only customers for the first show.  Checked with my guy to see if he would like to go with me for some playtime and he readily agreed.  Only doing short term tonight.  No idea what time Paradise guy will show up at the condo in the morning.  Deal is sealed and paid the off fee so when we were ready to leave everything was taken care of in advance.
Show started at 10pm.  There were a few more customers by then, but not many.  Some stayed, while others came and went…mostly went.  I think at the most there were 12-15 number guys…well, minus one now.  Mostly familiar faces from when I was there in October.  First show as ok.  Rather short.  Stayed for the second show and it was actually much better.  Performers seemed to enjoy the second act more as well, and it showed in their energy level.  After the second show we said our goodbyes and will try to connect again in another week or so.  I am occupied the next two days with Paradise guy, and the other forum member is traveling elsewhere in Asia.  He will return to Bangkok in about one week.  Also think one or two other forum members might be here then as well, and the mention of possibly some karaoke.  Headed to the condo for several hours of glorious fun.  He definitely remembered things I enjoy doing.
For those curious, bar drinks at Hotmale are THB 400.  Off fee was THB 500.  Gave Cam THB 2000 for short term of three hours, which included tip.  That did not include travel time to/from condo.  Opted for taxi this trip.  More time with Cam at the condo.  Exchanged contact info and will definitely be seeing him again.  Dang…all of these contact numbers and repeat business.  Time is slipping away!

I seem to recall almost exactly the same words being used about Soi Twilight...

My source, who works there, says that #25 is not new at Fresh Boys and has worked there a while. But I agree he is very handsome and popular. And he has a very handsome and cute relative working at Dreamboys number #14.
 

He has been working for 2 years. In fact, he was using a different number and only changed his number last month.
The previous #25 is now using a different number.
I have no idea why the guys decide to change numbers!

Alright I shall answer my own question… 🤣
Arrived in Bangkok just in time for Halloween! Glad to report that the bar shows have NOT been toned down, and still the same way I enjoy and remember them.
Visited Jupiter and Fresh Boys on the night of 31 October (Halloween).
The crowd at Jupiter was surprisingly sparse at 10:15pm with only three tables filled, and I was assigned a perfect seat right in front of the stage.
The waiters were dressed as Annabelle, Chucky (and other fictional monsters I’m unable to identify), while the boys were in their jeans for the first parade, and white undies for the second.
Tipped three boys who smiled at me as they walked past. Great face great body, I would have off-ed anyone of them!
On the other hand, Fresh Boys was almost full-house at 11:45pm, with about 15 boys on stage, and 10 boys sitting with customers.
The show began with a special Halloween item, where three boys danced fully cloaked in black.
Yes, fully cloaked. Very underwhelming.
But as usual, the show climaxed (pun not intended) with 8 boys taking turns to hit that pole with their cocks.
Gotta mention that #25 really caught my eye, and he was the only one I tipped. Defined pecs with a huge apparatus, and adorably endearing with his awkward dance moves.
I don’t remember seeing him previously (or maybe I just wasn’t paying attention)… Anyone knows if #25 is new with Fresh Boys?
Might return again to off #25, but I’m not confident of handling that huge apparatus… WISH ME LUCK!

I generally find the quality in Hotmale to be quite high. One of my best offs from my last trip was from Hotmale, nicely tatted Cambodian guy who did everything. Messages me from time to time asking when I'm coming back. There wasn't many customers in the bar when I visited so decided to have a grope of all the big-cock show performers, just to help out the economy, you know 😅

Day 6 Bangkok - Fresh Boys
Was running just a tad late for the 22:15 show due to my extra-curricular activity at Avarin.  Having never been to Fresh Boys before, I assumed it would be similar to my previous stop at Moonlight with low attendance and a late start.  Boy, was I wrong!  Show started on time, and the place was packed.  Papasan could barely find a place for me to sit.  Felt like I was in a can of sardines.  Since the show had just started, I did not see the beforehand parade of number boys, but would guess in total around 30 boys.  First couple of acts seemed like more something I would see in a leather or fetish bar.  Lots of skin, erotic playfulness, and big cocks.  Show was definitely more risqué with lots of nudity compared to Moonlight.  Not sure how to describe the majority of guys here…definitely not what I would call muscular or manly; but, also not completely twinkish, either.  Kind of an in-between, mixed bag I would say.  A couple just slightly chunky.  Perhaps this is where the new term twunk would fit?!?  Since the club was so crowded, even if there was a boy I would have been interested in there was absolutely no space for him to sit beside me.  Would have been forced to either sit on his lap or he on mine…either could be fun. lol.  Seemed like a mixed crowd.  Mostly Asian males, maybe a half-dozen caucasians, and a couple of females (also Asian).  Around 60 customers total.  There seemed to be several little groups here.  Fortunately, because it was so crowded I was able to fade into the background and be absorbed so papasan and mamasan left me alone for the most part.  To be honest, the waiter was more annoying.  Prissy thing prancing around all over the place screaming for attention!  Total turn off.  Several of the groups were definitely in party mode, with a number of boys being invited to join them.  Got the impression these are frequent customers well known to all and mamasan gave them extra special attention.  No clue how many bottles were consumed by these couple of groups, but must have been substantial income for the house!  One caucasian gentleman sitting dead center in the back row must also be a somewhat regular and very popular.  At one time I counted seven boys he had with him with probably as many bottles of alcohol.  They were frequently sending shots up on stage for their buddies, sent shots twice to the drag queen (she was NOT amused), and even sent shots to the DJ.  So, when I say party atmosphere…you get the idea.  Shower show was somewhat amusing, because once they two guys were soaped up they had a challenging time standing or moving around in the soapy water. Couldn’t help chuckle to myself and wonder which one would fall first.  Drag queen was ok from my perspective.  Wasn’t really anything wrong with the performance.  Just seemed to lack energy.  Enjoyed the one at Moonlight much more.  It seemed most of the sex was oral, with anal simulated but no real penetration.  Perhaps that came later after I left.  I stayed through the big cock show with hitting the pole and had reached my limit by this time.  Too loud, too crowded, and too many drunk people for my taste…to be honest.  Guys walked around for tips after hitting the pole with their cocks, but it was difficult for them to get around the room because it was so crowded.  Also, I would have considered tipping but it was so dark inside I could not see inside my wallet to know which note I was pulling out.  I sure as heck wasn’t going to grab a 1K note instead of a 100, so didn’t tip at all.  (Sorry, guys!)  While Moonlight was somewhat boring and a little depressing (aside from Mr. Boss), I am not quite sure I understand the business model of these clubs or the financial acumen of the boys.  The club is packed so apparently business is good.  Yeah for the club.  I am not sure how that success filters down to the boys.  If they are invited to join these ‘big spender’ groups for drinking during the show, but only receive a minimal tip for that pleasure but no offing, how is that to their benefit.  Could I afford to invite a handful of boys over to sit and drink with me for an hour, give them a couple of hundred baht for their time, and send them back to the rotation…sure.  But, that’s not me.  And my guess is there were a number of people in the bar just like me who would prefer some 1:1 time with a nice young man in conversation, one drink, leading to an off for the young man.  That would be much more lucrative and financially beneficial to the young man…at least one would think so.  Versus spending a couple of hours with a wealthy donor for a couple of hundred baht.  That math just doesn’t make sense in my book.  So the young men flock to the big spenders which basically restricts their availability to other, possibly more generous customers in a 1:1 situation.  So, at least for me, visited Fresh Boys but probably would not go back due to the party atmosphere and exclusion of quality 1:1 interaction.  Just my perspective, guys, as a first timer.  Between the two clubs, would go back to Moonlight but not Fresh Boys.  May try Hot Male tomorrow night.  See how I feel.

Day 4 Bangkok - Part 1
There is a massage shop called The Master Gallery that isn’t located anywhere near other shops or what one could consider the gay area of Bangkok.  It is kind of out of the way and not near BTS or subway.  To be honest, I don’t even recall how I learned about this shop.  But, I have been receiving their updates via LINE and there was one therapist that I really fell in love with just from the photo.  Found their twitter account and even more photos of this adorable young man.  I have probably been dreaming about him obsessively for over a year.  I was warned on the forum by @vinapu not to get my hopes up on any one specific therapist because they come and go for many various reasons.  About two months ago his photo disappeared from their LINE and nothing new on twitter, either.  My heart sank.  I resigned myself to the fact I had missed out on this opportunity by distance and timing.  Oh well, I’ll get over it.  Then, recently I came across the name of another massage shop called Men Care.  I don’t remember where I read about it, but most likely it was mentioned by someone on this forum.  In checking them out I discovered they have three locations, with one in Sathorn area about 45 minutes walk from the Ibis Silom.  Too far for me to walk, so took Grab there and back. This particular shop is near the Ibis Sathorn and actually inside Tivoli Hotel for those of you familiar with the area. Anyway, I started receiving their LINE updates and also checked online to see if they had a website (Facebook & Instagram) and a twitter/X account.  While scrolling through the twitter account, it seems they have a relatively new addition to their staff.  And, even better, it is the guy I have been drooling over for months!!!  So I contacted them via LINE to ask if my preferred guy worked at the Sathorn location and, if so, would he be available for a 2pm session today.  The answer to both questions was a resounding ‘YES’.  Their therapists rotate around between all three shops, so whichever location is the most convenient for you is where the therapist will meet you.  The Sathorn location is literally at the back of the Tivoli Hotel.  Walk past the hotel lobby through the parking area to the back of the building.  There is a large sign, so you cannot miss it.  Enter through double glass doors into a large reception area with a formal, wood spiral staircase.  There are three levels to this building.  Reception area includes desk and comfortable seating.  It really is very spacious, as are the massage rooms, and gives you the impression it is a very expensive and exclusive spa.  Compared to other shops I have seen it is quite impressive.  The rooms are large and include private bath with shower in each room.  Tables are very large and wide with built in face cradle.  My only complaint would be the padding on the table is rather thin and can become uncomfortable after awhile, especially when laying on your stomach.  The tables are also very well made and sturdy.  I wasn’t sure what to expect, and had not read anything about these shops on the forum, so from overall first impressions I was thinking it would be strictly therapeutic and legitimate.  The therapist walked me up one floor to the room at the very end.  He was just as cute and sexy as the photos online. I counted five rooms in addition to mine on this floor.  I was invited to disrobe and shower and he would return in a few minutes…the usual routine.  I had selected a 2 hour aromatic just as I did at Prestige.  Just my preference, guys. lol.  Cost was 1390 Baht.  I was told in advance via LINE that tip would be 1500 Baht for my therapist.  I was also told he was Gay T/B.  It does vary by therapist.  Finished my shower and laid on the table.  Therapist returned with tray of supplies.  Ambience in the room is actually quite nice with calming music and soft lighting.  When I first laid down I had pulled the towel across myself since I wasn’t quite sure what to expect from this shop.  At first he did dry presses over the towel and would move it around as necessary.  He was actually on the table as he was working on my legs and back.  I would guess maybe about 5 minutes of this and then the towel slowly went away.  As he was still doing dry presses but straddling my legs I immediately recognized skin against skin.  He was naked, so there was no longer any question or doubt about where this was going to end.  Needless to say my fantasy played out in real time and certainly lived up to all of my expectations and then some.  Even if I wanted to walk back to Ibis Silom, I don’t think I could have!  I would definitely recommend this shop, and my therapist as well, but it is more on the pricey side compared to others.  No idea what the other two locations look like.  I would definitely be a repeat customer.  FYI: Prestige accepts credit card with no service charge.  Men Care is strictly cash.

Day 2 Bangkok - Part 2
Thanks to all of you wonderful forum members who have described in detail just how the boy clubs function, I was somewhat prepared for what to expect.  We arrived at 10pm with the first show scheduled to begin at 10:30pm.  I knew from comments here that the likelihood of the show actually starting on time were next to nil.  lol.  We were the only two customers in the place.  They had 13 number guys rotating on stage in groups of four.  I am guessing you would call him papasan, immediately pounced on us to invite boy over to sit with us.  I wasn’t rude, but declined the offer, said we were a couple not interested in additional company, and just planned to enjoy the show.  That seemed to be accepted and we were left alone the rest of the evening.  During the first rotation/set the guys all wore yellow shorts and black tank tops that said Moonlight.  During the second set, they only wore the yellow shorts.  What was interesting to me is even though there were very few customers, and just the two of us for a good 25 minutes, the boys still did their rotation and basically just stood there.  They looked very bored.  Not sure I understand the reason management would have them just get up on stage and stand there when no customers are there.  Anyway, about 10:20pm another caucasian/asian couple arrived and papasan immediately made a beeline for them.  Next up was an older Asian gentleman that everyone seemed to know and I assumed to be a regular.  All of the boys were trying really hard to attract his attention.  Then two Asian young men who ordered a bottle of liquor and was sharing it with a number of the boys and models.  It appeared they were all friends.  A group of three Asians of various ages were ushered in to a special corner booth in the front section.  They, too, ordered a bottle.  Last customers to appear were two lesbians who truly sat in the back and made out the entire time.  All total there were 14 customers during the entire first show.  Between boys, models, waiters, doormen, and other workers, they completely outnumbered all of the paying customers.  Show finally started at 11pm with the models doing several numbers, both as a group and some individual.  Drag queen performed one number by Mariah Carey near the end of the show.  Models did not have numbers, so I assume they cannot be offed???  Waiters all had numbers.  Since I was with someone, I certainly had no plans to entertain someone else.  None of the waiters or number boys really appealed to me.  Would consider going back and seeing if one of the models, Mr. Boss, was available.  He is the only one that really did anything for me.  There were 9 models.  Towards the end of the show you could tip the models with what I would call a stole.  Out of the 9 models, 4 received a 1000 Baht stole.  During our stay, I saw 3 number boys leave with customers.  One other thing I noticed about the entire experience…the number boys all try to make contact with the customers.  Eye contact, body language, facial expressions…a lot of interaction from onstage with customers.  Models…never looked directly at the customers/audience.  When performing, they were always looking at themselves in the mirrors across the back opposite the stage.  Several of them looked very bored and disinterested…like they wanted to be anywhere else but in the club.  Keep in mind this is my first time visiting these clubs, so that is just my overall impression.  After we left the club, we headed back to the hotel, took a shower, did the wild thing, and fell asleep cuddling.  Was not ever discussed or planned as an overnight, but we both just kind of went with the flow of things and it was so late it made more sense for him to stay the night.  He had to get up early, go home to change, and then off to work.  Exchanged contact info with both young men from Grinder.  Not sure I will follow up with another visit from the first guy, but definitely want to see the second one again.  I could see myself easily falling for him.  Dangerous territory.

Same nationality. I tried threesome with this guy last year however the third boy we choose was shy and couldn’t handle his size so this year I decided to talk to third boy more before hand to hopefully set clearer expectations, will be meeting up in a couple hours. 

also just want to add I read on this forum it was best to have first guy you pick to try and recommend second if you want threesome so you get someone compatible. The first guy I picked was really interested in this boy thinks he is cute and wants to top him. Second boy is versatile. 
I will post massage review tomorrow in separate thread. It has been three massage shops so far. Arena, prestige, ssense. 
 
 

This is my second visit to bangkok. I first stayed at pattaya for a week now I am in Bangkok for 2
i am staying at the quarter saladaeng. I liked the Furama silom last year and would have booked again this year however I stayed in an executive club suite last year and the price has now doubled. However I am now staying here at the quarter in a premier room and it’s just as comfortable. Shower has great water pressure and hot water, have a full kitchen so I can utilize fridge and microwave, doubt I will be doing any cooking. No issues with guests. They can walk right in with me without any issue. They have laundry machines on site 60 baht wash and 80 dry. However the dryer will need atleast two runs to dry your clothes. 
 
breakfast here is so so I have only had it once. They do have an egg station and can make you eggs anyway you like. They have usual se breakfast options and limited western style options. However they have lots of fruit and an automatic espresso machine.  They also have a cafe on site which you get 10% off as a hotel guest which serves bagel sandwiches and drinks/smoothies. 
 
they also offer a shuttle to and from the local bts stations. Lots of food vendors around the hotel and walking distance to Senso massage. 
 
first day I went to arena massage, I tried this last year based on reading this forum and really liked it, I like the all in pricing and the guys are fun. The guy I choose was fun however he surprised me cause he was really a bottom only. I guess I should have asked. I will return here next week maybe but some other shops I’m starting to like aswell. 
 
second day I hired a tour guide. We went to ancient city, some local street markets were I was the only foreigner which was great to experience. We also went to some malls. The new roof top garden at dust Thani. He showed me some local eats around my hotel. I’ve actually booked another trip for tomorrow with this guide. after this long day I was tired and just passed out for the night. 
 
Next day I went to prestige massage, they take card at no additional charge, I paid for massage with card but tipped in cash. The shop looks very modern and clean. They tables have proper head rests, which I appreciate it, the masseuse actually had good technique. After flipping over he asked if I wanted extra service. It was quoted at 2k which seems like a lot however he was very cute and I couldn’t resist 😊. The massage was great and the extras too, I will repeat and feel it’s worth it for what I paid. 
 
that night I strolled patpong market as they were setting up, I didn’t realize they setup each night last year I only visited during the night, I bought banana roti then went back to my hotel for a quick nap and to shower before heading out for the night. I decided to goto fresh boys as this was my favourite bar last year. I arrived in the middle of the first show during the gig cock parade. I was shocked and happy to see my fav boy from last year still there! He did not see me yet tho. I got seated and was watching the show as he was still performing in it. Then the boy lineup started and I was viewing who was still here and new. I recognized three guys from last year, however one boy I talked to told me he was here last year too. 
 
then my heart saddened as the boy I wanted was going to sit with another couple.. he walked past me and smiled and lit up! He recognized me from last year which made me have all kinds of feelings  I was sad but I was thinking maybe I will ask a different boy to sit with me. I contemplated but waited. The next show was starting and he left the couple as he was performing in the show, the mamasan came to me before and I said the boy I was interested in was busy. While he was in the show towards the end mamasan came to me again, I told her who I was interested in and I said I think he’s getting taken by the other couple. She said Nono I will check. I said ok I will buy drink if he is available. The drink came right away while he was still performing. 
 
after the show he arrived! He remembered me from last year even where I stayed. He’s 100% top but not straight and very affectionate. It could be an act, and I am fine with living in the delusional, atleast while on vacation . We chatted and he remembered our failed threesome last year. I told him I wouldn’t mind trying again but we need someone less shy. Right away his face lit up and he told me about two boys, however one in particular. He told me he wanted to fuck him bad, so I asked that boy to come for drink too. We discussed specifics and whether or not he was comfortable, he said he was and wanted to try. I told him I want for the next night as it’s my first night at bar, he was fine, my main boy was about to take part in the main show. I asked second boy to stay with me until show is over he was fine with that. At the end I thanked him and tipped him 500 and said I would likely see him tomorrow. Came back to hotel with first boy and had an amazing time. I love that it’s not mechanical with him. He wants to make sure you are enjoying too. He asked me about travels and cuddles with me a while afterwards as we talked and also discussed tomorrows events. 
 
next day I did the tourist boat and went up the river to wat lang market, did some shopping, stopped at khoasan road which was different than last year I visited. It was full of stalls selling items last year it was pretty empty, maybe I went on an off day. I was gonna head to some more stops but was tired, sadly my body doesn’t want to sleep in so everyday I’m getting up 7-8 even tho I’m going to bed 3-4 am. I came back to hotel and took a nap. 
 
night I went back to fresh boys. I called down main boy and he wanted me to call second boy right away, which I did. I immediately let papasan know I wanted both and he said wow both you take me too, haha. Main boy asked if he could do big cock show first then we can go. I said of course. After the three of us left back to the hotel, once again no issues with staff. We showered and it was a much more memorable experience than last years threesome. Third boy was really into it and it was very hot watching my main boy fuck the second boy. They were both so into it and really enjoyed it. Second boy said he was verse however I feel he leans more verse bottom. I would do a threesome again with this boy but I like the one and one. 
 
I do need to check out some of the other bars, I tend to find something I like and stick with it but I really want to experience some other bars. Like the new atlas. 
 
I was finally able to sleep in until 9:30 am! I laid around the hotel until around 12 I made an appointment at Ssense. I walked there from my hotel but google gave some weird directions however I eventually found it. This is another more upscale massage place. They provided cooling cloth and iced tea upon arrival. I was able to pay for massage with card with the basic 3% charge.  Another boy brought me up the stairs to the massage room which was clean and modern looking, this room also had a proper headrest. After showering the masseuse arrived. He was very strong. He had the right technique and worked the muscles properly. When I was getting this massage I didn’t think I was gonna get any extras because the massage was so good. I flipped over, he continued to massage then asked if I wanted extra service, he quoted me at 900 for b2b which I felt was a steal, I agreed, in the end I did tip him more tho. He did things that felt like, but without penetration. It was very sensual and turned me on a lot. One thing that happened was we finished early about 10 minutes, I know other places may continue massage but he didn’t, I wasn’t upset by it, however he had to phone downstairs to reception and let them know and then he out me on the phone and asked me if everything was alright, this was a bit awkward however I guess they value reviews cause they pushed me to write a review.
 
I came back to the hotel and did some laundry and relaxed, I wrote my pattaya report. 
 
I already told my boy from fresh boys I was taking a break tonight and would likely see him on Friday, which I will. After my laundry later in the evening I decided to try another massage place which is close to my hotel and Ssense called the prince massage, this is another all in pricing venue. I didn’t go here last year because I confused it with prime massage, which I believe is a strictly professional location. 
 
I arrived at Prince massage around 7:30 pm, there was three other guys sitting in chairs looking at the guys behind the glass who all lined up showing off to get chosen, now I like this and I hate this. I love that I can pick exact boy I want however I feel bad not picking a boy who really wants to be picked. Nearly all of them shirtless. There was 3-4 guys who stood out to me and I ended up picking one shirtless boy who kept smiling at me. I choose a deluxe room, however I think I ended up with a vip room cause it had a jacuzzi in it. This is all in pricing so I paid 2k for the room and 2k for the tip which is on the higher end for 90 minutes. The room has a large bed, no proper massage table, but I guess we are not there for that anyway. 
 
the boy was strong tho, the massage was decent, not as good as Ssense but I would repeat. The extras where fine, he asked me do you want to top or bottom? I feel like this boy was more a bottom but h topped just fine. I asked the papasan for top and he told me /they all top/ which I think is theoretically true but I feel like I need to be more specific next time. He ensured we used the entire time. During the massage it started to downpour outside and you can hear it through the walls, the boy was very concerned about me leaving in the rain because it’s heavy rain, it wasn’t that bad and I walked to the street to get some food, heading back to:hotel to rest for the next day, 
 
Tonight I’m going back to fresh boys first. I wanted to off my boy and we were going to goto that new gogo GASS BKK on the second floor above white rabbit but I don’t think it’s what I thought it was. I checked their facebook it appears just to be a dance bar with gogo boys. Can anyone confirm? Instead I think I’m gonna ask him if he is fine going to circus to watch the drag show, but yet again I don’t know if they still have a 11 pm show. So I guess we will see what happens tonight. 
 
tomorrow I head off to the train market and some local villages on a tour. I will write more as it happens and answer any questions, 

I will be in Bangkok for about 3 weeks until Christmas. If you are in Bangkok, let's meet!

Yes he is offable with number tag, but I can’t remember the number
he is so outstanding in dance especially the naughty facial expression
I believe he is straight as two girls buy him a drink, he keep wink on those girls even when he is fully nude on stage
He Is friendly to men as well, there was a guy keep touching his butt and he don’t mind at all, even ask to try his tool as he can get the tips