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continued…Installment 7: I am going to be out of pocket for a couple of days. Paradise guy is taking two days off for our so-called ‘trip’. My idea of a trip and his are entirely two different things. Guess that’s what happens when my Thai is non-existent, and his English is very limited. lol. I had envisioned we were going someplace exotic and relaxing outside of the city. His definition of trip was taking me to various places around Bangkok for two days that he wanted to make sure I saw or experienced. Anyway, that’s taking place Thursday and Friday until the evening. One of his buddies at the shop has a birthday on Friday and they are having an after-hours party once the shop closes at midnight. To be fair, he did invite me but I politely declined the invitation. I am pretty sure he knew I would, as well as was probably hoping I would! Basically I am the tourist and he is my guide. I actually laid low during the day on Wednesday. Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop. Ultimately decided it was perhaps a good idea to do some laundry if the next two days would be completely occupied. Actually connected with another forum member who happens to be in town now and we made plans to meet for drinks later in the evening. It will be nice to actually meet with someone in person. I headed over to Silom planning to arrive around 8:15 or thereabouts. I knew the other forum member had special plans late afternoon and would probably be at dinner around that time. I wanted to walk around and check out some of the other venues. As I was walking past Rainbow Dragon, I was stopped by their barker and I took a quick glance at their menu. I had no idea what type of club it was, and before I knew it he had grabbed my arm and was dragging me inside. It is a small place with perhaps 8 booths that can hold four persons in each, long bar with stools, and that’s about it. I sat in the first booth and ordered one drink. I was not planning to stay long. In the next booth was a gentleman who had to be at least five years older than me. Oh, and for those who may not know, this is a host bar. There was one bar tender, one host sitting with the older gentleman, the barker outside and one other person who acted as a waiter. Turns out he was also a host. There was a group of four persons sitting at the last booth down, but they left shortly after I arrived. A couple soon arrived and occupied one of the other empty booths. I finally asked the guy who took my drink order what his official position was, and he said he was one of the hosts. So, I invited him to join me and bought him a drink. We chatted for a good ten or fifteen minutes. He was just my type, too. He said the owner is from California originally and that all of the guys working there are from Myanmar. English was quite good. During our conversation, the older gentleman got up to leave. As he was heading to the exit, his host actually followed him outside. From this I kind of assumed that the host was going home with the gentleman. So, I asked the guy sitting with me if that, in fact, was taking place. He explained the owner does not allow the employees to be taken off during hours. What they do after the bar closes is their own business, but during open hours they socialize but never go off with customers. Naturally, I had to pursue that just a bit further and asked if he ever arranged to meet customers for some fun after the bar closes. Answer was affirmative, so I went one step further and asked if he would like to get together with me. Everyone saw this coming, didn’t you. lol. Exchanged contact info, and he said he actually preferred meeting people before going to work instead of when the bar closes. Closing time is 3am, so rather late to try and connect he said. That certainly works out better for me as well. So we exchanged contact info and will plan for a time to meet next week. By this time I had heard from the forum member asking if I was in the area now and where did we want to meet. He had already been to Freshboy and Goodboy, so would prefer someplace different. Options considered were Hotmale, Moonlight or Dreamboys. Neither of us were really keen on Moonlight, and I was wanting to check out Hotmale anyway to see if the young man I took off with me in October was still working there. So, we agreed to meet at Hotmale, which was right down the soi from my current location. Took me less than five minutes to wrap things up at Rainbow Dragon and head on over. Be about 30 minutes before the other forum member would get there. I knew it was early, so didn’t think there would be many customers yet. When I went inside, there were no other customers. I was the one and only. Probably about 12-15 guys in house doing their rotation on stage with no customers. lol. I still do not understand the thinking behind that. Anyway, I recognized my October tryst right away. He was still there, and he recognized me as well. Had this great big smile on his face. Couldn’t resist and did not hesitate to invite him over right away. I wasn’t about to take any chance that someone else would come in and scoop him up before I could make my move. Didn’t even bother to discuss business with mamasan. Warned the forum member that when he arrived I was already inside and might have some company with me. Also let him know that we might be the only customers for the first show. Checked with my guy to see if he would like to go with me for some playtime and he readily agreed. Only doing short term tonight. No idea what time Paradise guy will show up at the condo in the morning. Deal is sealed and paid the off fee so when we were ready to leave everything was taken care of in advance. Show started at 10pm. There were a few more customers by then, but not many. Some stayed, while others came and went…mostly went. I think at the most there were 12-15 number guys…well, minus one now. Mostly familiar faces from when I was there in October. First show as ok. Rather short. Stayed for the second show and it was actually much better. Performers seemed to enjoy the second act more as well, and it showed in their energy level. After the second show we said our goodbyes and will try to connect again in another week or so. I am occupied the next two days with Paradise guy, and the other forum member is traveling elsewhere in Asia. He will return to Bangkok in about one week. Also think one or two other forum members might be here then as well, and the mention of possibly some karaoke. Headed to the condo for several hours of glorious fun. He definitely remembered things I enjoy doing. For those curious, bar drinks at Hotmale are THB 400. Off fee was THB 500. Gave Cam THB 2000 for short term of three hours, which included tip. That did not include travel time to/from condo. Opted for taxi this trip. More time with Cam at the condo. Exchanged contact info and will definitely be seeing him again. Dang…all of these contact numbers and repeat business. Time is slipping away!

Yes, I've noticed the same thing. Their website still lists both locations and has therapists listed separately for both still. If I happen to go back to Prestige Sathorn and see one of the two I have scheduled with previously, I will ask them what is up with that location.

One thing I have noticed about the shops on Silom, Soi 6, and Surawong is it depends upon the time of day you are looking. Most of the shops open around 11am or 12 noon and do not have many staff members available that early in the day. I had this situation at Wisdom where they literally had no males present in early afternoon and had to contact one of their other Olivia locations to send someone over. I also know from Paradise guy that they don't schedule many guys early in the day, so there may only be one or two sitting outside if it's 1 or 2pm. I think a number of shops in Saphan Kwai area are similar to FaFa and have primarily twinks with a few muscle guys. Not many have websites, or at least well updated and maintained websites, but many have daily posts via Line.

Likewise, I was there this past week and can report it is in fact THB 3100 for 60 minutes and THB 3500 for 90 minutes.

continued…Installment 6: Received a text message from the guy on Grinder who works at the Marriott wanting to know if I wanted a massage. His name was Kenny, and while I did have a good time and would entertain seeing him again, I had something else planned for the day. I would be meeting Paradise guy (in deference to @floridarob) later in the evening at the shop for massage and dinner, but in the afternoon I wanted to check out Senso. Happy to confirm that 60 minutes all inclusive is 3100 Baht and 90 minute all inclusive is 3500 Baht. I arrived around 2pm so they had only been open about one hour. The overall atmosphere was very pleasant. As soon as I walked in, the person in charge invited me to sit down and proceeded to show me a tablet with the two options and the pricing. Oh, and the new photos/videos on the website are indeed AI generated. Those models do not exist in real life. lol. However, there were ten very fine specimens live standing in front of me. The boss used a laser pointer and really tried to steer me towards one guy in particular, but he just wasn’t my type. There were several that I did take a fancy to, and I ultimately decided on a slender guy with nice smile and only a couple of small tattoos. I certainly do not have a problem with body art, but am not a big fan of the guys who have their entire bodies covered. I shall call him Pong. Unlike other shops, price includes tip and you pay at the conclusion of services. They do accept credit card payment, but will add a service charge. I just paid cash. Also unlike other shops, they never had me remove street shoes for slippers. I went directly to the room in my regular shoes. The room was large with a full size bed, not massage table. Pong actually spoke English quite well. He instructed me to get undressed and take a shower, then had me lay face down on the bed while he rinsed off as well. I knew going in that this shop was more about the extra services than massage, so wasn’t expecting too much in that department. I was pleasantly surprised by how good the massage was. Pong used a variety of strokes with a decent amount of pressure and fairly good coverage with plenty of teasing along the way. I had opted for the 90 minute session, and the sensual elements began to intensify after about 45 minutes. He was naked from the beginning, and a full length mirror attached to the wall beside the bed provided ample opportunity for my viewing pleasure while I was face down. Pong was very well endowed and I wasn’t quite sure I could manage it, but he was a very masterful yet gentle top. Flipside was just as exhilarating and he was a fantastic kisser as well. All in all a wonderful afternoon. Glad I followed my gut reaction and chose Pong instead of the other guy. Also, we did exchange Line accounts and he is very open to meeting outside of the shop. I definitely plan to follow up with that. Met Paradise guy as planned at 6:30pm for a two hour session. No idea what the day had been like, but I think I was the only customer in the shop at that time. Many guys sitting out front waiting for their turn in the queue, but it really didn’t look like anyone was walking down Soi 6. Come to find out later there might be a possible reason for this. At this point in time, we usually just dispense with the massage portion and go directly to the fun part. Afterwards we went to grab a quick bite to eat at the night market. My guy headed back to the shop and I was going to stop in at one of the clubs to catch a show. Walked past Dreamboys and no signs of life. Walked down to Midnight bar and was closed up tight as a drum. No lights on, no barkers, no young men outside at Moonlight, Freshboys or Hotmale. It seems yesterday was a national religious holiday, Makha Bucha Day, so no alcohol sales anywhere…even restaurants…and no entertainment establishments open. That would explain why Soi 6 was so quiet as well. Not much foot traffic in general in Silom area other than the night market. Will have to try the clubs another day. Interesting fact, though…female clubs appeared to be open and doing a booming business. What is up with the double standard here?!?

Last night around 9pm I was walking down Patpong Night Market from Silom towards Surawong and walked past White Cat location. The pink sign from the previous bar was gone and a new sign above the door with a new name. No longer called White Cat evidently. I took a photo and have been trying to upload it but without much success. Keep getting an error message. Anyway, the new sign does in fact say Big Boy Bar & Host Club / Sexy Boy and Cabaret Show / Show Time 10:30pm. I should also note that the door was closed and locked, and no signs of life other than the new sign. Did not appear anyone was around or that the venue was actually open for business.

continued…Installment 5: I believe I am getting a bit behind in my updates. As I was beginning to write the next installment, I looked back and realized I am probably not doing a very good job of pacing myself as I said I was going to do this trip. I seem to be averaging two hook-ups daily in some shape or form. To be quite honest, I am not sure how long I will be able to keep up this pace. On Monday, the young man from Chaichana showed up at 12:30pm as promised. I will call him Jack. He is from a small town in Northern Thailand and still has that country boy charm and innocence. He is also very handsome and has the most beautiful smile. We chatted for a bit, and then we moved to the bedroom. He came prepared with some coconut oil, so we started with massage. His skills are average, so it’s not just a splash of oil and some circular motions. He actually provides pretty decent coverage as well as pressure and a variety of strokes. Of course, the massage was just to get things warmed up. What I really wanted was an extension of what we did in the massage shop, but for an extended time period. Since we had already met and we were in a more private environment, he was much more relaxed and really seemed to enjoy the intimacy. He even initiated some kissing, which was lacking in the shop. All I can say is he felt really good inside of me, and we were both hot and sweaty by the time he exploded. To add to that country boy charm, after spending about three hours with me, he was heading off to temple because he always does that on his first day off each month. We definitely plan to see each other again next Monday. Next up was a scheduled appointment at Prestige. The young man I saw at the Sukhumvit location was going to be at the Sathorn branch. In fact, the daily Line post for Prestige the last two or three days only lists the Sathorn location. Not sure if the other location is temporarily closed, or what the situation is. I wanted to schedule another appointment with him as I wanted to see just how far I could push the limits. I know others on the forum have been disappointed with Prestige when it comes to extra services. However, I have managed to get lucky with a couple of different therapists, so wanted to see if I could make it number 3. Although he was pretty adamant about following the shop rules and not going beyond B2B, he did offer me his Line account and said he would do more privately. So, while it was a little disappointing at the moment, there is hope. I really like the atmosphere and facilities of this shop in general, and the massage itself is usually very good. Admin will definitely not discuss any particulars about the therapists beyond their posted services and insist it is a completely legitimate shop. Now things got a little complicated. Unbeknownst to me at the time because my phone was on silent, during my session at Prestige my Paradise guy texted and wanted to know what I was doing. That could mean he wanted something, or it could mean he was checking up on me. My reply was probably delayed about 30 minutes from the time he texted me, but I just said I forgot that my phone was on silent and didn’t realize he had sent me a message until I actually looked at the phone. It wasn’t a lie, but also not 100% true. lol. Anyway, he said it was a slow day with no customers, too many guys in the queue, and he wasn’t feeling well. Could he come over and spend the night. I certainly wasn’t going to turn down this opportunity. Any chance I can get to curl up beside him and feel the warmth of his naked body beside mine and his passionate kisses I am definitely going to take. We just snuggled and fell asleep wrapped in each other's arms. Woke up later than usual, had some breakfast, and then he was off to work. I guess I should really give him a name instead of always just saying Paradise guy, so will call him Sam. Sorry...I know...sappy love story. lol.

I think some of these shops do offer outcalls for an additional fee. It is usually included in their daily Line posts or online photos of the young men what the outcall charge will be. Not sure how payment for that works, though, as I have never done outcall from one of the shops. Those I am interested in from the shops, I will usually ask if they want to exchange Line accounts. That way I can contact them directly and bypass the shop altogether. The guys like this as well, because then they get to keep the entire amount of money you are willing to pay. However, as @vinapu pointed out, if it is a working day for the boy or the shop finds out, there is often an 'off' fee similar to what the bars charge if you take a bar boy off. Best to find out their days off from the massage shop and make arrangements to meet on that day. That is what I did yesterday with a guy from Chaichana shop on Patpong. It was his off day.

I don't' think either of these shops are new. 15M and 27M are basically two different locations of the same business. There are a number of shops in or around Saphan Khwai BTS Station. Loveboy (formerly Phetboys), Starsman (formerly G-beats), BT Massage, Kmanspa, Relax Station, and Onespa. If you look at the photos all of these shops post online of available therapists, they are the same young men at every shop. That is why it is best to make an appointment in advance at the Saphan Khwai shops. The young men are freelancers and usually need at least one hour lead time for any scheduled appointment. There might be a very small number available for walk-ins, but not like the shops in Silom area. Also, it is best to have two or three young men in mind when making the appointment. Your first choice might not be available at all on any given day.

In the states, we have separate machines for washing and for drying. When traveling outside of the US, I always run across the combination machines. Instructions are often written in the language of whatever country I am visiting. As a result, I do not know if there is a way to bypass or turn off the dryer function and just air dry all of my clothes. I, too, do not like using the dryer for certain things, and will always hang them to air dry when at home. I hate tight fitting clothes, and my shirts always shrink if I put them in the dryer. If that happens, I end up donating them to one of the local thrift shops.

continued…Installment 4: Not much exciting to report. Needed to do some laundry, and was meeting my friends for brunch. I am really not a fan of the combination washer/dryer units. They do an ok job of washing, but just never get the clothes dry. I end up putting things on a hanger, then on a rack outside on the balcony to let them air dry. Brings back fond memories of my childhood and helping my grandmother hang clothes on a line in the back yard. My friends picked me up and we went to some out of the way place supposedly famous for their chicken. It was just ok for me…nothing exceptional, but enjoyed spending the time with friends. Isn’t the type of place I would request going back to, nor would I ever be able to find it again on my own. Was contemplating what mischief I might get into in the evening, and since I have not been to any of the clubs yet I considered a visit to Hotmale to see if the Cambodian guy I hooked up with back in October was still there. But then, I got a message from Paradise guy wanting to know if I was coming by to see him today. We all know where this ended up…don’t we. He mentioned he was hungry, so I offered to pick something up and bring it to him. We arranged to meet early evening. I told him to book a two hour session. Stopped by Silom Complex when I got off BTS. They are having an indoor Street Market festival…I think for Chinese New Year. One section is merchandise, but another section is all food booths. I picked up several things for us to share and then made my way over to Paradise. Lots of guys working at the shop today, more than usual, but not many customers. Probably because the area is saturated with massage shops. Too much competition within that one street. My guy says business is very slow these days. The guys know me pretty well by now, so they are friendly and polite but aware I am just there for one person. lol. Nobody tries to persuade me otherwise. Perhaps there is some hidden or unspoken ‘code of conduct’?!? We sat in the back corner on the sofa where the Chinese owner usually sits when he is there to eat the food I brought. Then we headed upstairs to one of the rooms for some relaxation and fun time. The guy at the reception desk has seen so much of me now that regardless of time requested he just charges me the 60 minute rate. lol. I call it the frequent customer discount. Doesn’t hurt that I have started to tip him just a little as a return favor. Not sure the boss would approve. After some massage, but more play, it was time for me to leave. By this time I was more than satisfied and very happy, so wasn’t sure if I would stay around and go to a club or not. It was around 8:30pm, so decided to walk through the night market. Specifically wanted to see if I could locate White Cat. Finally saw the sign above the door, but there was no sign of life. Door to the steps was closed and locked. No sign to indicate hours or that there was even a business upstairs other than the old pink sign above the door. Lingered around thinking they might open around 9pm and enjoyed a roti with egg and banana. Walked to the end of the night market at Surawong and then back to White Cat, but still no signs of life. Walked across to the next Soi and made a stop in Foodland for some snacks. While in Foodland I received a text from the hot number at Chaichana I met earlier in the week. He wanted to know if we were still on for getting together on Monday. I didn’t have to think twice. No hesitation whatsoever. It was a resounding ‘yes, definitely’! Gave him the address and confirmed a 12:30pm arrival at the condo. Once I knew that was going to happen for sure, I decided to head back to the condo instead of going to Hotmale. Will save club visits for another day.

ok...not going into this with blinders on this time. lol. I am a little more grounded this trip. In October and my first real experience in Silom by myself (minus straight friends), I was like the proverbial kid in the candy store for the very first time. Even at my age, it was all so new, fresh and exciting...even exhilarating. I have more time this trip to explore and experience things. That helps considerably. I don't feel under any time constraints. Definitely not looking for a relationship at this stage in life. I enjoy his company and the attention. The reality is he works in an SS massage shop, so I have no idea how many customers he really sees in a day, nor does it really matter. I also have no idea what experience he provides those customers. I don't ask, as it isn't any of my business or concern. I have no clue what stories he might create for other customers. For him, it's a job and business. For me, I am just going to enjoy whatever time we spend together while I am here without any strings attached.

Well, it was daytime when I visited, so night market wasn't in operation. However, there were no distractions and no noticeable noise when I was in the massage room. The room I was in was quite large, as well. Just wish the shower stall was a bit bigger. Would fit two normal size persons just fine...but was a bit tight for this slightly overweight farang. lol.

Since I have not been to either shop just yet, I could be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that Klover and History of Massage or more of SS or Type 3 shops. It is possible to get lucky, but it all depends upon the therapist and what they are willing to do. It also depends on how much extra you are willing to pay, I suppose. It does sound like your experience was very transactional, though, and a real turn off for me. Not sure I want to try this shop now. lol.

Good point! I didn't even think about that. You just never know these days. Some AI is easy to spot, but some I find extremely challenging to know. Kind of scary, actually.

continued…Installment 3: Ate something that didn’t quite agree with me from one of the food carts on the street. Ended up laying low for the next 24 hours. After that was back to normal. Paradise guy checked on me throughout and wanted to bring me some medicine. I came prepared with trusty old pepto bismol. That, and plenty of rest did the trick. As I continue my daytime exploration of Silom, I was walking down a pretty much deserted Patpong. It was way too early in the day for any night market activity to be getting underway. I was heading from Silom to Surawong with thoughts of getting a massage at Avarin or Green when I walked bast Chaichana Massage. I vaguely remember reading something about this place on ShamelessMack2. There was one young man sitting out front. Just my type…early 20’s, slim, handsome…with the most beautiful smile. He looks at me with those big, beautiful eyes and flashes that wide smile…I melted into a puddle right then and there. He didn’t have to ask me twice if I wanted a massage. After showing me the options, I selected a 90 minute aroma massage provided he was the person that would be doing the massage. I wouldn’t be interested otherwise…it was him, period. The only thing lacking from the experience was that he does not like to kiss. That would have been the icing on the cake, but everything else he was amenable. He didn’t start out naked, but it wasn’t long before clothing was shed. He had the smoothest skin with just enough hair on his legs to get my engines going. I don’t know what the classification for this shop is, but my experience with this young man was definitely H or Type 4, including penetration. We exchanged Line accounts and made plans to meet next week on Monday…his day off. I cannot wait for round 2. One thing unique about this shop is there are steps down…no steps up. The shop itself is in what I would call a basement. When you first walk in you go down two or three steps to a landing where the reception desk is located. After paying for the massage, you are escorted down around 10 or 12 steps to the lower level with a large open room. In that large open room are the chairs for foot massage. Off the larger room are the individual massage rooms that include ensuite shower. Shower is small, and I am certainly not a tiny person, but we managed to squeeze in after the massage to shower together. No idea if this is the norm or a one-off situation for this shop, but think I will need to try it again to find out. Paradise guy took the day off from the shop so he could spend the time with me. Didn’t do anything special, actually. Just hung out at the condo, watched a movie, had some snacks and beer (him, not me), and spent a large part of the afternoon just curled up in bed together…cuddling, kissing, caressing…just the things I really enjoy. He knows how to push all of my buttons! Naturally, bed time included doing the wild thing. It wasn’t all tame. lol. After showering together, we headed out for some dinner before he headed home. It worries me that he took time off from work to hang out with me as I know if he doesn’t work there is no income for that day. But, if I offer any compensation he refuses. I don’t push because I certainly don’t want to offend him. During this discussion it was also important to him that I know he doesn’t do anything with other customers except HJ. Of course, I am not totally naive and realize he could just be saying that because he thinks it is what I want to hear. However, my gut is telling me that is true. He said he could tell from the first time we met back in October that I was different. For now, I am just going to enjoy the time we spend together and try not to think too much beyond that.

Thanks for the recommendation. While I am very familiar and comfortable with BTS, I have actually never been on MRT on my previous trips to Thailand. Not sure why my friends never use it or have shown me the ropes, as they were quick to 'train me' on BTS and get me the Rabbit card. It also doesn't help me learn to navigate when they have a car and quite often will pick me up and take me where I want to go. However, I am not comfortable asking them for transportation to the massage shops or gay bars/clubs! LOL. Perhaps my next adventure this coming week is to experience MRT and learn my way around that system. Maybe my Paradise guy can show me, but he has a motorbike so not sure if he has ever used it, either. I will definitely ask him, though.

Don't mean to hijack this post...given the current situation in the Middle East and the fact a deranged orange bobble-head is hell bent on not only destroying the US but the world...does anyone else see this is the beginnings of WW3? Scary times for sure.

In October I stayed at Ibis Styles Silom and really liked being in the middle of all the action. However, since my friends offered their condo for free, I can deal with a few stops away on BTS. Just have to plan strategically to avoid certain times of day.

ok, so I am having a difficult time locating this new bar. Is it actually on the same street as Patpong Night Market? I couldn't tell from the photos posted here, and I am not nearly as familiar with the area as others on the forum. What are some possible landmarks? Is it on the same side of the street as Derby King?

Not far from Asoke BTS. Easy ride on BTS, but also have Bolt and Grab on my phone if necessary as back up.

Something I learned on my trip back in October is the guys in some of the shops are happy to make outside arrangements that bypass the reception desk at the salon. It means all of the money goes directly to the therapist. When you make a reservation through the salon, the therapist only gets a small portion of what you pay for the massage, plus any tip is 100% theirs. I also found that the therapist is sometimes willing to do more extra activities with you in the hotel room than they will in the salon. Some are willing to take a risk in the salon, but others are more careful. I have collected a number of Line accounts from the therapists now, and can contact them directly to come to me versus going to the salon. Just my experience...

I'm the same way, @jamiebee! Being a slightly overweight, hairy old fart...I would truly stick out like a sore thumb. I certainly do not want to be the certain of attention for all of the wrong reasons. LOL.

It seems they recently updated their website to include a video with some really hot models. No idea if these models are actually available. They also provide the option of booking online, but they do not offer photos of the therapists so you cannot book with anyone specifically. You are just scheduling an appointment for a specific time. No price list is included on the website. If you click on the scheduling button, it just takes you to their Line account. Planning to make a visit to this place on my current trip, so will report back once I do.