jimmie50

Last night around 9pm I was walking down Patpong Night Market from Silom towards Surawong and walked past White Cat location. The pink sign from the previous bar was gone and a new sign above the door with a new name. No longer called White Cat evidently. I took a photo and have been trying to upload it but without much success. Keep getting an error message. Anyway, the new sign does in fact say Big Boy Bar & Host Club / Sexy Boy and Cabaret Show / Show Time 10:30pm. I should also note that the door was closed and locked, and no signs of life other than the new sign. Did not appear anyone was around or that the venue was actually open for business.

continued…Installment 5: I believe I am getting a bit behind in my updates. As I was beginning to write the next installment, I looked back and realized I am probably not doing a very good job of pacing myself as I said I was going to do this trip. I seem to be averaging two hook-ups daily in some shape or form. To be quite honest, I am not sure how long I will be able to keep up this pace. On Monday, the young man from Chaichana showed up at 12:30pm as promised. I will call him Jack. He is from a small town in Northern Thailand and still has that country boy charm and innocence. He is also very handsome and has the most beautiful smile. We chatted for a bit, and then we moved to the bedroom. He came prepared with some coconut oil, so we started with massage. His skills are average, so it’s not just a splash of oil and some circular motions. He actually provides pretty decent coverage as well as pressure and a variety of strokes. Of course, the massage was just to get things warmed up. What I really wanted was an extension of what we did in the massage shop, but for an extended time period. Since we had already met and we were in a more private environment, he was much more relaxed and really seemed to enjoy the intimacy. He even initiated some kissing, which was lacking in the shop. All I can say is he felt really good inside of me, and we were both hot and sweaty by the time he exploded. To add to that country boy charm, after spending about three hours with me, he was heading off to temple because he always does that on his first day off each month. We definitely plan to see each other again next Monday. Next up was a scheduled appointment at Prestige. The young man I saw at the Sukhumvit location was going to be at the Sathorn branch. In fact, the daily Line post for Prestige the last two or three days only lists the Sathorn location. Not sure if the other location is temporarily closed, or what the situation is. I wanted to schedule another appointment with him as I wanted to see just how far I could push the limits. I know others on the forum have been disappointed with Prestige when it comes to extra services. However, I have managed to get lucky with a couple of different therapists, so wanted to see if I could make it number 3. Although he was pretty adamant about following the shop rules and not going beyond B2B, he did offer me his Line account and said he would do more privately. So, while it was a little disappointing at the moment, there is hope. I really like the atmosphere and facilities of this shop in general, and the massage itself is usually very good. Admin will definitely not discuss any particulars about the therapists beyond their posted services and insist it is a completely legitimate shop. Now things got a little complicated. Unbeknownst to me at the time because my phone was on silent, during my session at Prestige my Paradise guy texted and wanted to know what I was doing. That could mean he wanted something, or it could mean he was checking up on me. My reply was probably delayed about 30 minutes from the time he texted me, but I just said I forgot that my phone was on silent and didn’t realize he had sent me a message until I actually looked at the phone. It wasn’t a lie, but also not 100% true. lol. Anyway, he said it was a slow day with no customers, too many guys in the queue, and he wasn’t feeling well. Could he come over and spend the night. I certainly wasn’t going to turn down this opportunity. Any chance I can get to curl up beside him and feel the warmth of his naked body beside mine and his passionate kisses I am definitely going to take. We just snuggled and fell asleep wrapped in each other's arms. Woke up later than usual, had some breakfast, and then he was off to work. I guess I should really give him a name instead of always just saying Paradise guy, so will call him Sam. Sorry...I know...sappy love story. lol.

I think some of these shops do offer outcalls for an additional fee. It is usually included in their daily Line posts or online photos of the young men what the outcall charge will be. Not sure how payment for that works, though, as I have never done outcall from one of the shops. Those I am interested in from the shops, I will usually ask if they want to exchange Line accounts. That way I can contact them directly and bypass the shop altogether. The guys like this as well, because then they get to keep the entire amount of money you are willing to pay. However, as @vinapu pointed out, if it is a working day for the boy or the shop finds out, there is often an 'off' fee similar to what the bars charge if you take a bar boy off. Best to find out their days off from the massage shop and make arrangements to meet on that day. That is what I did yesterday with a guy from Chaichana shop on Patpong. It was his off day.

I don't' think either of these shops are new. 15M and 27M are basically two different locations of the same business. There are a number of shops in or around Saphan Khwai BTS Station. Loveboy (formerly Phetboys), Starsman (formerly G-beats), BT Massage, Kmanspa, Relax Station, and Onespa. If you look at the photos all of these shops post online of available therapists, they are the same young men at every shop. That is why it is best to make an appointment in advance at the Saphan Khwai shops. The young men are freelancers and usually need at least one hour lead time for any scheduled appointment. There might be a very small number available for walk-ins, but not like the shops in Silom area. Also, it is best to have two or three young men in mind when making the appointment. Your first choice might not be available at all on any given day.

In the states, we have separate machines for washing and for drying. When traveling outside of the US, I always run across the combination machines. Instructions are often written in the language of whatever country I am visiting. As a result, I do not know if there is a way to bypass or turn off the dryer function and just air dry all of my clothes. I, too, do not like using the dryer for certain things, and will always hang them to air dry when at home. I hate tight fitting clothes, and my shirts always shrink if I put them in the dryer. If that happens, I end up donating them to one of the local thrift shops.

continued…Installment 4: Not much exciting to report. Needed to do some laundry, and was meeting my friends for brunch. I am really not a fan of the combination washer/dryer units. They do an ok job of washing, but just never get the clothes dry. I end up putting things on a hanger, then on a rack outside on the balcony to let them air dry. Brings back fond memories of my childhood and helping my grandmother hang clothes on a line in the back yard. My friends picked me up and we went to some out of the way place supposedly famous for their chicken. It was just ok for me…nothing exceptional, but enjoyed spending the time with friends. Isn’t the type of place I would request going back to, nor would I ever be able to find it again on my own. Was contemplating what mischief I might get into in the evening, and since I have not been to any of the clubs yet I considered a visit to Hotmale to see if the Cambodian guy I hooked up with back in October was still there. But then, I got a message from Paradise guy wanting to know if I was coming by to see him today. We all know where this ended up…don’t we. He mentioned he was hungry, so I offered to pick something up and bring it to him. We arranged to meet early evening. I told him to book a two hour session. Stopped by Silom Complex when I got off BTS. They are having an indoor Street Market festival…I think for Chinese New Year. One section is merchandise, but another section is all food booths. I picked up several things for us to share and then made my way over to Paradise. Lots of guys working at the shop today, more than usual, but not many customers. Probably because the area is saturated with massage shops. Too much competition within that one street. My guy says business is very slow these days. The guys know me pretty well by now, so they are friendly and polite but aware I am just there for one person. lol. Nobody tries to persuade me otherwise. Perhaps there is some hidden or unspoken ‘code of conduct’?!? We sat in the back corner on the sofa where the Chinese owner usually sits when he is there to eat the food I brought. Then we headed upstairs to one of the rooms for some relaxation and fun time. The guy at the reception desk has seen so much of me now that regardless of time requested he just charges me the 60 minute rate. lol. I call it the frequent customer discount. Doesn’t hurt that I have started to tip him just a little as a return favor. Not sure the boss would approve. After some massage, but more play, it was time for me to leave. By this time I was more than satisfied and very happy, so wasn’t sure if I would stay around and go to a club or not. It was around 8:30pm, so decided to walk through the night market. Specifically wanted to see if I could locate White Cat. Finally saw the sign above the door, but there was no sign of life. Door to the steps was closed and locked. No sign to indicate hours or that there was even a business upstairs other than the old pink sign above the door. Lingered around thinking they might open around 9pm and enjoyed a roti with egg and banana. Walked to the end of the night market at Surawong and then back to White Cat, but still no signs of life. Walked across to the next Soi and made a stop in Foodland for some snacks. While in Foodland I received a text from the hot number at Chaichana I met earlier in the week. He wanted to know if we were still on for getting together on Monday. I didn’t have to think twice. No hesitation whatsoever. It was a resounding ‘yes, definitely’! Gave him the address and confirmed a 12:30pm arrival at the condo. Once I knew that was going to happen for sure, I decided to head back to the condo instead of going to Hotmale. Will save club visits for another day.

ok...not going into this with blinders on this time. lol. I am a little more grounded this trip. In October and my first real experience in Silom by myself (minus straight friends), I was like the proverbial kid in the candy store for the very first time. Even at my age, it was all so new, fresh and exciting...even exhilarating. I have more time this trip to explore and experience things. That helps considerably. I don't feel under any time constraints. Definitely not looking for a relationship at this stage in life. I enjoy his company and the attention. The reality is he works in an SS massage shop, so I have no idea how many customers he really sees in a day, nor does it really matter. I also have no idea what experience he provides those customers. I don't ask, as it isn't any of my business or concern. I have no clue what stories he might create for other customers. For him, it's a job and business. For me, I am just going to enjoy whatever time we spend together while I am here without any strings attached.

Well, it was daytime when I visited, so night market wasn't in operation. However, there were no distractions and no noticeable noise when I was in the massage room. The room I was in was quite large, as well. Just wish the shower stall was a bit bigger. Would fit two normal size persons just fine...but was a bit tight for this slightly overweight farang. lol.

Since I have not been to either shop just yet, I could be wrong about this, but I was under the impression that Klover and History of Massage or more of SS or Type 3 shops. It is possible to get lucky, but it all depends upon the therapist and what they are willing to do. It also depends on how much extra you are willing to pay, I suppose. It does sound like your experience was very transactional, though, and a real turn off for me. Not sure I want to try this shop now. lol.

Good point! I didn't even think about that. You just never know these days. Some AI is easy to spot, but some I find extremely challenging to know. Kind of scary, actually.

continued…Installment 3: Ate something that didn’t quite agree with me from one of the food carts on the street. Ended up laying low for the next 24 hours. After that was back to normal. Paradise guy checked on me throughout and wanted to bring me some medicine. I came prepared with trusty old pepto bismol. That, and plenty of rest did the trick. As I continue my daytime exploration of Silom, I was walking down a pretty much deserted Patpong. It was way too early in the day for any night market activity to be getting underway. I was heading from Silom to Surawong with thoughts of getting a massage at Avarin or Green when I walked bast Chaichana Massage. I vaguely remember reading something about this place on ShamelessMack2. There was one young man sitting out front. Just my type…early 20’s, slim, handsome…with the most beautiful smile. He looks at me with those big, beautiful eyes and flashes that wide smile…I melted into a puddle right then and there. He didn’t have to ask me twice if I wanted a massage. After showing me the options, I selected a 90 minute aroma massage provided he was the person that would be doing the massage. I wouldn’t be interested otherwise…it was him, period. The only thing lacking from the experience was that he does not like to kiss. That would have been the icing on the cake, but everything else he was amenable. He didn’t start out naked, but it wasn’t long before clothing was shed. He had the smoothest skin with just enough hair on his legs to get my engines going. I don’t know what the classification for this shop is, but my experience with this young man was definitely H or Type 4, including penetration. We exchanged Line accounts and made plans to meet next week on Monday…his day off. I cannot wait for round 2. One thing unique about this shop is there are steps down…no steps up. The shop itself is in what I would call a basement. When you first walk in you go down two or three steps to a landing where the reception desk is located. After paying for the massage, you are escorted down around 10 or 12 steps to the lower level with a large open room. In that large open room are the chairs for foot massage. Off the larger room are the individual massage rooms that include ensuite shower. Shower is small, and I am certainly not a tiny person, but we managed to squeeze in after the massage to shower together. No idea if this is the norm or a one-off situation for this shop, but think I will need to try it again to find out. Paradise guy took the day off from the shop so he could spend the time with me. Didn’t do anything special, actually. Just hung out at the condo, watched a movie, had some snacks and beer (him, not me), and spent a large part of the afternoon just curled up in bed together…cuddling, kissing, caressing…just the things I really enjoy. He knows how to push all of my buttons! Naturally, bed time included doing the wild thing. It wasn’t all tame. lol. After showering together, we headed out for some dinner before he headed home. It worries me that he took time off from work to hang out with me as I know if he doesn’t work there is no income for that day. But, if I offer any compensation he refuses. I don’t push because I certainly don’t want to offend him. During this discussion it was also important to him that I know he doesn’t do anything with other customers except HJ. Of course, I am not totally naive and realize he could just be saying that because he thinks it is what I want to hear. However, my gut is telling me that is true. He said he could tell from the first time we met back in October that I was different. For now, I am just going to enjoy the time we spend together and try not to think too much beyond that.

Thanks for the recommendation. While I am very familiar and comfortable with BTS, I have actually never been on MRT on my previous trips to Thailand. Not sure why my friends never use it or have shown me the ropes, as they were quick to 'train me' on BTS and get me the Rabbit card. It also doesn't help me learn to navigate when they have a car and quite often will pick me up and take me where I want to go. However, I am not comfortable asking them for transportation to the massage shops or gay bars/clubs! LOL. Perhaps my next adventure this coming week is to experience MRT and learn my way around that system. Maybe my Paradise guy can show me, but he has a motorbike so not sure if he has ever used it, either. I will definitely ask him, though.

Don't mean to hijack this post...given the current situation in the Middle East and the fact a deranged orange bobble-head is hell bent on not only destroying the US but the world...does anyone else see this is the beginnings of WW3? Scary times for sure.

In October I stayed at Ibis Styles Silom and really liked being in the middle of all the action. However, since my friends offered their condo for free, I can deal with a few stops away on BTS. Just have to plan strategically to avoid certain times of day.

ok, so I am having a difficult time locating this new bar. Is it actually on the same street as Patpong Night Market? I couldn't tell from the photos posted here, and I am not nearly as familiar with the area as others on the forum. What are some possible landmarks? Is it on the same side of the street as Derby King?

Not far from Asoke BTS. Easy ride on BTS, but also have Bolt and Grab on my phone if necessary as back up.

Something I learned on my trip back in October is the guys in some of the shops are happy to make outside arrangements that bypass the reception desk at the salon. It means all of the money goes directly to the therapist. When you make a reservation through the salon, the therapist only gets a small portion of what you pay for the massage, plus any tip is 100% theirs. I also found that the therapist is sometimes willing to do more extra activities with you in the hotel room than they will in the salon. Some are willing to take a risk in the salon, but others are more careful. I have collected a number of Line accounts from the therapists now, and can contact them directly to come to me versus going to the salon. Just my experience...

I'm the same way, @jamiebee! Being a slightly overweight, hairy old fart...I would truly stick out like a sore thumb. I certainly do not want to be the certain of attention for all of the wrong reasons. LOL.

It seems they recently updated their website to include a video with some really hot models. No idea if these models are actually available. They also provide the option of booking online, but they do not offer photos of the therapists so you cannot book with anyone specifically. You are just scheduling an appointment for a specific time. No price list is included on the website. If you click on the scheduling button, it just takes you to their Line account. Planning to make a visit to this place on my current trip, so will report back once I do.

Yes, it was actually interesting to go exploring in the daylight. Looks totally different, but also the feeling or vibe is different depending on the time of day. You are correct that it was the old Madrid location. I did a google search for the new location and it does indicate the new location is permanently closed. Will definitely need to go back to try G's for dinner. Did not realize they were not open for lunch.

Well, I was here back in October where I ventured to Northern Thailand as part of a tour group. Been to Pattaya and Phuket with my straight friends a few times. Planning to spend a few days in Pattaya, and as yet an undermined location for a two or three day trip with my Paradise guy. He is deciding where, so still waiting for some sort of decision from him. lol. It's a process. Was actually forced to lay low a couple of days due to something I ate from a food cart that disagreed with my stomach. That has slowed things down just a bit.

Yes, it would seem from recent news reports his advisers are encouraging him to declare a national emergency in order to take control of the midterm elections. To be honest, I never knew such a law existed that would allow a president to declare such an emergency, but has already been stated here, he doesn't think the laws apply to him anyway. He just makes things up as he goes along and nobody seems to be willing to stand up to him and stop him. As much as I hope the midterm elections will produce a change in at least one house of congress, I am beginning to have my doubts it will become a reality given the current political climate. I was just reading a report this morning that said this was the first time since the Great Depression that the US has experienced a net loss in population due to citizens immigrating to other countries. Something like 150,000 leaving the country permanently. People are giving up hope. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/more-george-clooney-moving-france-080000139.html

…continued, Installment 2: ok, famous last words! lol. Trying to pace myself. So much for that. When not spending time with my Paradise guy, which seems to be almost daily, Grinder has been blowing up on my phone. Also visited a couple of shops in Silom to satisfy my curiosity. Regarding my Paradise guy, he will text and ask me if I am coming by today. If I say yes, then we agree on a time and this usually means getting a massage at the shop, which includes plenty of play time, followed by dinner. If I say no, not today, then he wants to come and see me. He hasn’t asked and we don’t discuss what either one of us does with the time we are not together, and I prefer to keep it that way. I don’t get the impression he would be possessive or upset that I explore other places and people, but you just never know. Decided to connect with two different guys on Grinder. One was a regular guy just looking for some casual fun and nothing more. The second one turned out to be a money boy…sort of. He is a massage therapist at a spa located in the Marriott off Surawong and was looking to pick up extra money on the side. He was nearby and it was convenient having him come to me. Plus, I am sure the ‘full’ service he provided me was far more than what clients get at the Marriott! Name was Kenny, and definitely would consider another late night visit from him. Having read reports on the forum as well as ShamelessMack2, I was curious about what goes on behind the scenes, so to speak, at some of the shops along Silom. On my last trip, I was somewhat lucky at Avarin on Surawong next to Green Massage and Tarntawan. As you come down the steps from Saladaeng BTS onto Silom there is a shop called Wisdom. There was one lonely guy sitting out front. They probably had not been open very long, and the guy must have been like the supervisor/manager on duty. He was actually quite adorable, so I stopped to check out their sign and asked a few questions trying to get a feel for him and the place. Claims he never massages…only supervises. But, I let him talk me into getting a foot massage. Wisdom is part of the Olivia group of shops. Since he was the only one at the Wisdom location at that moment, he called to one of the other nearby shops and had them send someone over. Therefore, I had no opportunity to make a choice. No idea if I could have made a choice or would have been arbitrarily assigned next up from the stable. Therapist was a little older than I normally go for (mid-30’s perhaps) and also more muscular than I would select. Much more of a twink guy here. lol. Anyway, since there was nobody else in the shop, he ventured a little further up the leg of my walking shorts than is normal and was trying to convince me to add oil massage as well. Eventually, I acquiesced and we retreated up two flights of stairs to a rather large room with nice sized table and ensuite shower. Knowing from the outset that his was more a S or Type 2 shop, I wasn’t expecting much, but figure I might as well give it a try. Well, let me just say we went well beyond S. This guy did everything, including penetration. Certainly shocked the heck out of me. Seems the Olivia/Wisdom therapists have name badges with numbers, not names. He was #66, if anyone is interested. Not sure which Olivia shop he came from before Wisdom. Disclaimer…this is probably a one off experience. As is the case with all of the shops, it depends upon the therapist and what they are willing to do or not do. Perfect example…I returned to this same shop two days later, but early evening. It was very busy this time, but many more therapists available. The same adorable supervisor was out front, and he remembered me. I tried flirting with him to see if I could persuade him to do the massage, but no such luck. An older lady was running the desk inside and was determined to assign a lady therapist to me. I flatly said male or I am leaving and going elsewhere. Didn’t care for her at all, and if she was working the desk I probably would not return. Extremely rude individual. Lacked customer service skills. That said, I didn’t want to start with the foot massage this time but went directly to a 60 minute oil massage. Assigned therapist was just what I like…slim, smooth twink in his early 20’s. This experience was totally the opposite from my previous visit. The cute guy wouldn’t remove any clothing and would only go as far as to do hand job. Sweetening the pot made no difference. He had his limits and stuck to them. He was #156. I had never really walked around Silom during the daytime to explore what the different venues look like without all of the glam and glitter in the nighttime. Checked out G’s, which was actually closed. No signs of life and no sign on the door. Don’t know if it was an off day where they are normally closed, but this was the lunch hour so I was surprised by this. Perhaps they are in Pattaya preparing for the opening of their new location. Or, perhaps they are taking a short vacation. In any event, I shall try again some other day. Didn’t expect any of the clubs to be open. Three guys sitting outside Adam massage, but none that really peaked my interest. All were too busy with their heads buried in their phones to pay me any attention. That is always a deterrent for me. Also located Madrid, which many have talked about on the forum as a great place for pizza. Unfortunately, it was closed as well. Did not see any sign on the door as to why or when it might reopen.

I honestly believe that trump has lied so much for such a long time that he actually believes his lies. They are his own reality. Weird.