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Good point. I know several of the guys from Cambodia all live together but work at different bars. When I meet Cam outside Hotmale and we go to check out other clubs, he always wants to take me to places where his buddies work and treat them to a drink. Just as we share notes about our various escapades and conquests, I am 100% sure they are comparing notes on us as well. 🤣

I am not as experienced at negotiating as some of the other forum members who have been doing this a little longer than me...what I notice on this trip is the off fee seems to be consistently THB 500 regardless of which bar or club. While there is no cover charge per se, you are required to buy a drink which can run anywhere from THB 300-500 depending on the bar or club. From my perspective, this is no difference than clubs in other countries that have a cover charge to enter but there is no required drink purchase. Same thing by a different name is all this is. When it comes to offing the guys...I learned from this forum and personal experience to keep mamasan out of the negotiations. I will only discuss directly with the guy any such arrangements. I also find they will start high but quickly come down once they realize you are not brand new to the scene or a total novice. Once they discover you have some sense of what is going on...they are more willing to negotiate. It also depends on if you are expecting something short term or overnight. I tend to go for the THB 1500 mark in my negotiations. Then, if I have a really great or fantastic experience will usually include tip to THB 2000 and make that my limit. Still, with drink, off fee, and money to the guy...you can easily be in it for THB 3000-3500. That is a good bit more expensive than your 700-1000 via Grinder & Hornet.

You definitely need to keep this in the back of your mind. While the boyfriend experience is nice, they probably have several they are saying exactly the same thing to at the same time. Recently had dinner with several forum members and was sharing photos of some of the guys I mention. Turns out a couple of them have also seen and know 'my guy' from Hotmale. Small world. lol. That brings a dose of reality very fast when you find someone else who has been with the same guy who has been told exactly the same things as you. Boyfriend fantasy bubble gets popped quickly. 🤪

My initial intent was to be very laid back and casual. lol. My downfall has been collecting way too many regulars...all of which are very demanding for my time and attention (as well as my money). LOL. Already the middle of March, so this will all be coming to a screeching halt come April 2. However, I have already started checking airfares for August, September, October... 🤣

True, but after seeing the same show several times, I would much rather meet Cam outside of Hotmale instead of going inside, not only paying the off fee but for two drinks (his and mine) when we don't even plan to hang around. Perhaps if there was more variety in the shows I would think otherwise, but I get bored with them after seeing the same thing five or six times. lol.

continued…Installment 13: After a lazy morning simply doing nothing once Cam left, I prepared for my ‘meet and greet’ with Dragon boy. He was coming to the condo around 1:30pm. Even though the condo comes with maid service, it isn’t daily like in a hotel, but once every three days. Needed to straighten things up just a bit and take a shower. It was probably closer to 2:30pm when he finally arrived, but I have come to learn that time is a relative thing here. His English is excellent, and I really enjoyed having conversation with him in addition to the fun. We talked about education, since it is something we both have in common, the political situation in both of our countries in addition to other hot spots around the world, and of course, the different clubs. Among all of the guys there seemed to be one reoccurring theme…business is slow and no customers. He said there might be one or two days during the week where it would get busy, but in general he felt it was very slow in the clubs. Tourism in general…he sees many foreigners out and about on the streets, in the shopping malls, and even the typical tourist venues…but they don’t seem to visit the bars or clubs other than as a novelty. He has been in Bangkok for two years, so I don’t know what the overall impression is of forum members, but the guys in clubs and massage shops all seem to say the same thing…no business. Coming from Myanmar and having heard stories before, I kind of assumed that Dragon boy was fairly well endowed. Although not nearly as big as Ganymede guy, he certainly did not disappoint in that department. Could not believe his actual age is mid-30’s. I was guessing maybe 21, and even debating if I should check his ID to be sure he was legal. Soft, smooth skin; darker complexion; brilliant smile; eyes that sparkle; very chatty; affectionate and great kisser. Probably sound like a broken record here…but this is the type of guy I like, so they all have similar characteristics. Even when selecting massage guys, whether in person or from photos, this is what I tend to gravitate toward. He certainly did not disappoint, and knew precisely what to do with that large endowment. Was a lovely afternoon, to be honest. We never discussed any type of fee prior to his visit. I didn’t want to offend him by not offering, but at the same time I didn’t want to offend him if I did offer. In the end, I insisted he accept THB 2500. He needed to go get ready for work, so left after 3 or so hours. It was such a wonderful afternoon, I was debating about even doing anything else that evening. Especially after having such a great time with Cam the night before. To be honest, I had kind of forgotten about Senso guy. He had sent me a message at some point during the afternoon wanting to know when I was going to come and see him again. While I enjoyed him very much, I knew this wasn’t so much about a real connection between us but more about the business aspect. I didn’t see his message until after Dragon boy left, but eventually responded asking what he had in mind or when he was thinking we might meet. He said he was available that evening…I could come to him at Senso or he was willing to come to me. I actually decided on the later. I wasn’t sure I wanted to bring him to the condo, nor was I planning on inviting him to spend the night. This was simply going to be about massage and sex. Anyway, we scheduled a time for late evening. That gave me a chance to just relax and take a nap after my exhausting afternoon. Had a chance to catch up on emails and forum messages. Looks like I will be getting together for dinner Saturday evening with several other members. So excited about it! Took a shower, got my stuff together, and headed over to Senso. BTS was surprisingly quiet…well at least until Siam. Transfer point is always a bottleneck. Arrived just a few minutes early. Opted for the 90 minute session. Wasn’t going to travel all that distance for just 60 minutes. lol. No idea how busy the place was. Probably 10-12 guys available, and no signs of any other customers. That doesn’t mean they were not already being serviced in private rooms. I just didn’t run into anyone else coming or going. Experience was just as good as the first time. Would definitely go back and definitely recommend this place. Might be interesting to try someone different on another visit and see if the action is similar.

Well, this certainly took an interesting and expected direction. lol. Think I will just contact the shop directly and ask them about the schedule for masseur I am interested in seeing.

continued…Installment 12: Woke up to a text message from Banana boy wanting to know when I was coming to see him again. Got to give him ‘A’ for effort. Really difficult to know the difference between fact and fiction with these guys. All of the guys that I have met say the same thing to me…not many customers, business is slow, make no money. If the information Paradise guy has provided is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt him), for a 60 minute massage the shop pays him THB 155. On average, he may give one massage a day because so many guys in the queue and so few customers. He also gets tips, but he said it all depends upon the nationality of person getting the massage. The guys actually do not like to get customers from certain Asian countries as they are notoriously bad about tipping…either very little or not at all. They much prefer western customers. I am sure we are all shocked by that statement. lol. So, going back to my fact/fiction statement, Banana boy said he doesn’t make any money as a number boy at the club, but only a portion of drink money if customer invites him or tip if he is invited off. Cam said basically the same thing about Hotmale. Both guys ‘claim’ they rarely get taken off by customers. Their definition of rarely and mine are probably two vastly different things. Chaichana guy also said something similar to Paradise guy. He said the only time the shop really gets busy is late evening until closing. During the day they often only have two male therapists scheduled to work. When the night market crew is setting up, they don’t get any customers. They have 8 male staff and 3 female staff that work mostly evenings. Decided to chill out by the pool this afternoon before heading over to Silom. Went for a manicure and pedicure, then grabbed a snack to hold me over until a late dinner with Cam. And of course, who sends me a text asking me what I am doing but Paradise guy. I swear he has this sixth sense and just knows when I am up to mischief. I actually met Cam outside Hotmale, gave him the off fee to take inside, then we headed over to Sarica for a late dinner. I couldn’t see paying THB 400 for a drink when we had no intentions of sitting in the club at all. Sarica was a good choice. I am certainly not the connoisseur compared to other illustrious forum members, but did enjoy the cashew chicken immensely. We opted to sit inside as it was a little more quiet and not as busy. Outdoor dining was pretty full, plus you have all of the additional street sounds. After dinner, we walked back over to Good Boy to catch the 10pm show. This was my first time to visit Good Boy. First impression…I was surprised how small the place actually was compared to other clubs I have visited. Number boys were on stage doing their rotation. They had a total of 25 guys, with 8 on stage at one time until the very end of that segment. They somehow managed to cram all 25 boys on that tiny stage for the finale then parade down the aisle. Guys wore white briefs. It was interesting to observe the guys. When not on stage for their rotation, all of them were sitting around with their noses buried in their phones. No interaction with any of the customers. No eye contact or smiles. They all acted bored and very disinterested. There was one caucasian customer when we arrived. He had one of the number guys sitting with him, as was one of the mamasan’s. I couldn’t quite decide if there were three mamasans, or two and a doorman. In any event, other than taking our drink orders we were pretty much left alone. Show was to begin at 10pm, but in reality started around 10:15pm. One Asian male and two females joined the customer list. About halfway through the first show another caucasian guy came in, so a total of 7 customers during that first show. I wasn’t terribly impressed with the show overall. The female entertainers were much better at Banana Bar. There was one in particular who was just painful to watch. Cam laughed when I said that. Total of 9 entertainers interspersed with sexy boy acts and some cock. Cam confirmed for me that the guys in sexy boy act use double XXL condoms to look bigger and, in fact, do blow them up. I used the phrase ‘false advertising’, and he thought that was hilarious. We both got a good chuckle out of that comment. I have to say the overall vibe for me was disappointing. Some of the guys were cute and I could definitely see myself inviting one or two for a drink or even off premises, but they all seemed to lack any motivation to engage with what few customers were in the club. Just a real turn off for me. Cam said that management at Hotmale forbids the guys from having their phones with them on the floor. Seems like a good policy, and one that Good Boy should perhaps consider. Several times during the evening I would get a text from Banana boy wanting to know if I was going to come and see him tonight. Finally told him I was at Good Boy and occupied for the evening…perhaps later in the week. lol. Cam spent the night, which was the plan all along. I am taking quite a liking to him. He is so attentive, very touchy/feely, and has such a sweet disposition. Of course, it doesn’t hurt that he is great in bed as well. Perfect way to end the day with him beside me in bed.

continued…Installment 11: Started off the week with a bang! Chaichana guy came over at 12:30pm just like last Monday. He even sent an occasional text during the week checking in. Paradise guy was needing some attention, so agreed to meet him at the shop for a session and then we went to dinner. Didn’t do the usual two hour session, though…only 90 minutes. Chaichana guy stayed way longer than I expected. He was meeting a friend early evening, but was in the mood for some serious cuddle time. He is far more romantic now that we have been together several times. Had a text exchange with the cutie at Rainbow Dragon wanting to know when we can get together. We set something up for later in the week before he goes to work at the club. Cam also sent a message, so we agreed to an overnight on Tuesday. He was doing his morning exercise routine and sent me a photo. Need to keep some type of scorecard in order to keep track of them all. lol. Chaichana guy was curious about my sleeping habits. Wasn’t quite sure what all the questions were for, but assumed it was leading somewhere. He finally said he wanted to know what time I normally went to sleep because he could come over when the shop closed at midnight and spend the night with me, then we could go have breakfast together in the morning before he would return to work at 11am. He is adorable, so I just might take him up on that offer. I seem to be forming this small group of regular guys and am enjoying the attention. However, trying to make time for them all on a regular basis is not only going to be exhausting, but also reduce the amount of time I have to visit the various massage shops I missed on my last visit. Already thinking a return trip later in 2026 might be a necessity. I must be operating on the @vinapu calendar. lol.

Has anyone actually been to this shop? I have been wanting to give it a try, but am specifically interested in one of their masseurs named Ice. I believe he was at History of Massages at one point in time. In their daily Line updates, he is always listed as fully booked. On their website, he is never even listed in their daily schedule. You can literally go through the entire month of March and he is never listed. I have also noticed that many of the therapists they show on their website and in the daily updates are not listed in the daily schedule. Not sure what is up with that. Thought I would see if anyone has been and what it was like. Guess I could always just send them a message asking about the availability question regarding Ice. Just seems strange to me. https://residencessaladaengspa.com/en

Dinner at G's. So delicious. Looking forward to going back Saturday evening to meet several forum members for dinner.

continued…Installment 10: Decided I would venture over to Phaya Thai today and check out Ganymede Spa. Was going to make a full day of it, planning to go late afternoon to Ganymede followed by an early dinner at G’s. Have yet to eat here, and wanted to get to Soi 4 early enough so I could get an outside table and do some serious people watching. After that, I thought I might pop back into Banana Club and see if the cute number guy I saw on Friday evening was working tonight. I wasn’t sure if Sunday would be a slow night, or it would be just as busy as Friday was, but I didn’t want to take a chance so planned well in advance. As an interesting side note, Paradise guy has this uncanny ability to contact me when I am on another adventure. I was on BTS when he sent a text asking me what I was doing. I was not that surprised, considered we had neither one texted on Saturday. I expected to hear form him sometime on Sunday. He just always seems to catch me in the act of misbehaving. lol. I was a little unsure about the location of Ganymede. When using Google maps street view, it showed a single story run down shack that was painted pink with a metal roof in what looked like a dead-end alley. Not exactly the most prime location. @macaroni21 described it perfectly with the perfect photo as well. It was easy to get to taking Exit 2 at Phaya Thai BTS, walk around 100 meters (just past Thailand Department of Livestock Development building, turn left onto a private driveway for Pathum Wan Resort. Shops line both sides of the private driveway. Ganymede will be approximately 100 meters down on the left just before the resort. There is a overhead sign clearly marking the shop. Based upon previous posts, I was expecting to enter and immediately find a flight of stairs up to the next level, with a place to leave shoes before heading upstairs. They have either moved since those posts or done some major remodeling. You walk into a reception area with sofa, receptionist desk, cold water station, and place to exchange shoes for slippers…all on ground level. There is a fringe type divider and on the other side of that divider is an area where available guys are hanging out. While you can make a reservation and request a specific therapist if you know their name, in general this is a walk-in shop. It is a small shop with three upper floors, two massage rooms per floor plus a communal bathroom on each floor. There were three therapists for me to choose from. I would classify all three as twinks. They offer Aroma and Milk Bath massage. Aroma is oil, and Milk Bath isn’t actually a bath, but a milk based cream. Options are 60, 90 and 120 minutes. They have a section on the menu called Special Services, and Body to Body is specifically listed here. I opted for this one. Pretty sure the Aroma or Milk Bath would get you the same end result since this is an H-type or #4 shop, but I didn’t want to leave anything to chance and wanted the guaranteed action of B2B. I selected Ben, who it turns out is actually Thai. THB 1400 for 120 minutes B2B plus guaranteed THB 2000 tip for therapist. I apologize, but don’t recall the price for 60 and 90 minutes, but would be less than 1400. The restroom on each floor consists of two sinks with ample counter space, two toilets in private stalls, and two showers. Ben took me one floor up and showed me the restroom, then took me to the second massage room. The room was quite large and contained a decent size massage table, small stand with a lamp for atmosphere, small table for supplies, and wall mount rack for clothes complete with hangers and robe. For being an older, long time establishment, I was actually impressed with the facility. Ben asked me to shower while he went for supplies, then joined me in the restroom but in the second shower. I wasn’t expecting much in the way of massage, but he was actually quite good and thorough with coverage and used a variety of strokes. Dry thumb presses were almost too painful and I had to ask him to ease up just a little. Oh, and he was naked from the get-go, so no pretense about where this was going to ultimately lead. Let me just say that Ben was very well endowed. I mean to say he was hung like a horse, or perhaps I should say like a Thai elephant! I am surprised I was able to walk to the BTS station after he was finished with me. He had quite the surprise hiding in that pair of pants. He identifies as gay and was quite the kisser, too. That always gets my engines revved up. Their website is not current and doesn’t appear to be updated in quite some time, nor do they have much of any other online presence. Would certainly go back to this shop, and yes, we did exchange contact information and I hope to see him again. Photos online of therapists on not current. Probably none of those guys have worked at this shop in quite some time. If you want to request someone specific, ask them via Line to send you photos of who will be available at a certain time. Made my way back to Phaya Thai BTS. For a Sunday afternoon, BTS was packed both directions to and from Ganymede. It was almost as bad as rush hour during the working week. I was not expecting that. Transferred train lines and headed to Saladaeng BTS. A little too early for dinner just yet, so walked around Silom Complex, grabbed an iced latte at Starbucks, and did some people watching. I also think I spotted the area @Durian had mentioned as being very cruisy near escalators on 2nd and 3rd floors. Possibly discovered the guy he mentioned they picked up and invited back to their hotel room. I eventually made my way over to Soi 4 and went directly to G’s. There was only one other table occupied outside so I was able to sit on the deck and enjoy the scenery while eating dinner. I was really impressed with the food. Wow! I certainly wish I had stopped by here before now, and will definitely be going back again before I return to Denver. Only two negative things I would say about it: 1) even with a posted no smoking sign, they allowed smoking and even brought the customer an ashtray; 2) I am not a country music fan, but that is what they were playing while I was there. I could have passed on that. Kitty was sleeping under a table that had a reserved sign on it. Not sure if that meant the table was reserved for the cat, or guests coming later. lol. Soi 4 was not nearly as busy or active as it had been on Friday evening. It was still early, so I thought it might gradually pick up. It was interesting to observe people in general. Straight couples curious. Husbands would grab hands of their wives for fear of being accosted. Older couples snickering and whispering about the entertainers. Families with small children. Noticed a number of Jupiter guys heading to work. From my perspective, their body language communicated arrogance as they walked down the street towards the bar. After awhile I got bored with this and it was still early for any shows, so I decided to get a food massage at Adam. Wasn’t really interested in anything else but foot massage. Just a nice relaxing hour to chill out and let the world pass me by. After that, I walked back next door to Banana Club and sat out front. I was the only one out there, so the bar boy wasn’t that busy and able to chat a little. Excellent English skills. Originally from Cambodia, but lived in Thailand since he was a little boy. He told me about the different businesses on that street. Thai Female owner of Banana Club. Owner of Unicorn stopped by to chat with her. He is American from California. Turns out he also owns Rainbow Dragon. Just returned from a trip to Philippines. Seems like quite the character. Anyway, show started at 9:30pm, so I went inside the club then. Got to see the beginning of what I missed on Friday with Cam. Last half of the show was just a repeat for me. Unlike Friday, there were fewer people milling around outside Soi 4, but inside the club were many people. I counted 26, with about one third of that being female customers. As I said in my previous post about this club, some of the number tag boys are really past their prime. The one I thought was really cute was there. I wasn’t quite sure if I was going to invite him to go with me or not. Initially I asked the waiter to give him a THB 100 tip from me. Several other customers invited a few of the number boys to sit with them for a drink. After watching him take a second spin around the stage on rotation I motioned for him to come and join me. Decision made. Now negotiating begins. Bought him a drink and we chatted a bit. Decent English. From Cambodia. Not sure what is up with me and Cambodian guys this trip. I seem to be setting a pattern. He has been here 8 months. Shares living space with three other guys. Has a large family…4 older brothers and one older sister. He is the baby in the family. Anyway, I wasn’t looking for Long Term/Overnight…just a few hours. THB 380 drink, THB 500 off fee, he wanted THB 3000, which made me laugh and wasn’t going to happen, especially since it wasn’t overnight. Offered THB 1500 as a counter and accepted. He was cute and good, so with tip I ended up giving him THB 2000 before he left to go home. Was lucky again, as he identified as gay and was a fantastic kisser. Naturally, exchanged contact information. Next time I will invite him to spend the night.

I don't know about Saunas, as I have never been. Not some place I think I would really enjoy. Maybe in my younger days, but way out of my league now. lol. So far, THB 500 seems to be the standard off fee to the club/bar if you take a guy out. The rest is something you negotiate directly with the guy. Others on the forum are far more experienced with the negotiations than I am, but I aim for no more than THB 1500. Most will start at a higher request but seem to quickly come down once they realize you understand the game and are not a newbie...so to speak. Massage rates vary depending on type of massage and duration. In general, I think you can get a 60 minute aroma/oil massage most places for between THB 400-600. I have noticed that some shops even have 'happy hour' prices in Silom. Many of the shops also list a minimum tip for the therapist. If it is a legitimate shop, the tip seems to be very minimal. The S-type or #2 shops seem to post a slightly higher minimum tip. I think it is possible to walk away from these shops easily paying THB 1000 or less. The SS and H type shops (#'s 3 & 4) are definitely going to cost you more. The massage itself might not be more expensive, but tips are higher, plus negotiations take place behind closed doors...so to speak.

continued…Installment 9: Was a hectic two days with Paradise guy, then a fun-filled and wonderful night with Cam. Thought it would be a good idea to just chill out during the day before considering what opportunities might present themselves later on Saturday. Relaxed by the swimming pool in the afternoon while enjoying a bit of reading. Thinking about what my next adventure might be, I decided I wanted to try Prince. I have read numerous good things about this shop, so it was time to give it a try. It is not difficult to located at all. It is about a 15 minute walk from Chong Nonsi BTS station. The trickiest part is getting across North Sathorn Road. There are a couple of pedestrian bridges, but only a couple of street crossings. Facility is actually quite large. They have a large parking lot and courtyard area. Appears they are doing some construction in the smaller front building. When you enter the main building there is a seating area which faces a glass wall where you will find a number of available therapists in a gym setting. The receptionist/host provided a tablet with the various options. You do not need to make a reservation in advance for this shop. Guys here seem to be more muscular and what we in the US would refer to as gym bunnies. I would say most were mid-20’s to mid 30’s. Approximately 10-12 guys lined up. I had checked out their website in advance and there was one guy in particular that was of interest to me. I did not see him in the line up, so using my phone I pulled up their website and showed his photo to the host. He said he was not currently at the shop, but only lived 10 minutes away and he could contact him and see if he was available. I agreed to that option, so he made a quick phone call and the guy, Fame, was free and happy to come to the shop for an appointment. Since I basically ‘had the hots’ for this guy, I opted for a 120 minute session. They also have a set tip amount for the therapist based upon time. Massage was THB 1900 and mandatory tip was THB 2000. Based upon these figures, that inclusive pricing at Senso for 90 minutes is a better deal financially, but only by a few hundred THB. Service at both places was excellent. The website states they accept credit card, but in fact they do not. Prince probably has 25 standard rooms on ground level. Each contains a sink and shower, but no toilet, and a twin bed…no massage table. Shower is ample space for two persons. No idea what the deluxe room is like. We had adequate space for the two of us. No idea if there were other customers in the shop at the time or not. Never heard or saw anyone else. This was late afternoon, early evening. I had showered before his arrival since he was 10 minutes away so there would be no time wasted. He rinsed off quickly on arrival, but after we finished our session we showered together. It is quite obvious from the get-go that this place is not so much about the massage but more about the extra services. Definitely an H-type or #4 shop. They want the customer to have a good experience and to leave happy. I appreciated their willingness to contact the therapist I was interested in and he certainly lived up to all of my expectations. I think one of the things that attracted him to me was he is not quite as muscular as some of their other guys. A bit more on the lean side, which I prefer. He was certainly well-endowed and knew how to use that endowment quite well. English skills were ok, so we were able to communicate and have brief conversation. Turns out he does massage at Prince during the day, but at night he is one of the dancers at Dreamboy. He would be heading there after we finished our session. Walked back to Chong Nonsi for the return trip to condo. No plans to see Paradise guy today, and actually no message from him today, either. Relatively quiet, so to speak. lol.

Wow. That seems like a pretty steep 'off fee' compared to clubs in Bangkok. Is it that high to discourage such activity?

You got me. I should know better than to use the phrase 'most of us'. LOL. You would think, having lived in Taiwan for a few years with my Taiwanese boyfriend I would have remembered that. Old habits are hard to forget.

On Silom, starting at Saladaeng BTS you will see Wisdom and two or three different Olivia shops. They all have mostly male, but also female therapists and several twinks. The problem with these shops is...depending on time of day and who is in charge at that moment, they use a queue system and do not allow you to select which masseur. Even if there are twinks within the group sitting outside, there is no guarantee that is who you will actually get. Also, if you go earlier in the day, choices are limited. They get busier late afternoon into the evening and have more staff available. Just off Silom at Soi 4 is usually a barker for The Adam Massage. If you continue down Silom to Soi 6 you have 9-Teen. Turning onto Soi 6 you have two more locations for 9-Teen, Sun, Relax, Paradise, Maha, and Climax. Prime is also located here with three buildings, but it is strictly legitimate. There will be no happy endings or hanky panky at Prime. They usually are booked solid, too, so plan in advance. Soi 6 does not go all the way down to Surawong, but there is a connecting road which takes you past the old Tawan bar. Once on Surawong you will find Avarin (2 shops), Green, and another Olivia location. I have seen twinks at all of these. I have also been able to choose my masseur at Avarin and Green. Olivia will be hit or miss on that front. You should really check out a travel blog done by @macaroni21. Here is the link: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog Look for Maps he has created for Silom/Surawong area. They are extremely helpful and relatively current.

Thanks so much. It is exactly as you have described. Not sure why street view in Google maps shows some dilapidated pink shack. So weird. FYI...I didn't need to go up a flight of stairs. You walk up maybe two steps to the ground floor where there was seating and a reception desk. Host had me sit and showed me the price list. Provided me with slippers and water. Once it was settled on the type of massage, there were three guys sitting on the other side of a makeshift fringe curtain that the host invited over for me to view and make a selection. Once all was arranged we went up one flight to what most of us call second floor but they refer to as first where they had two massage rooms and a communal restroom. Very helpful info indeed!!! Will share more about my experience in detail on another post.

continued…Installment 8: Will not bore everyone with details regarding what we did playing tourist for two days. Basically, it was filled with temples, markets and shopping malls…all of which are in ample supply around Bangkok. Did visit some areas of the city where I had never been before. One market in particular I did not care for and probably would never return. Chaktuchak Market is not your typical temporary stalls or booths, but rather a more permanent and concrete structure. It does consist of small shop after shop after shop, most filled with multiple fish aquariums filled with all sorts of tropical fish in various shapes, sizes and colors. All offered equipment for purchase to set up home aquariums as well. Also to be found were large assortments of birds, including chickens and ducks, all crammed into crates barely able to move around. Saw many turtles of various sizes, from tiny that you could hold in the palm of your hand up to giant that must have weighed over 100 pounds! Other things included monkeys, lemurs, rabbits, squirrels, mice…many types of rodents. Didn’t see any snakes, but wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were some for sale here. The market is huge with so many shops selling exactly the same thing. I don’t know how they make any money or manage to stay in business. The facility is all one level. Next door is the big red building which is maybe six stories filled with typical merchandise you find in most night markets. Again, shop after shop selling exactly the same thing. One floor was like a giant food court that only contained food booths. The nice thing about this facility is it was all indoors and air conditioned. I would go back to the indoor market, but have no desire to visit the outdoor zoo ever again. Paradise guy was so excited to show me these places that I had to be careful about what I said. Anyway, it was a pleasant two day adventure hanging out together. However, by the time Friday evening arrived I was ready for a break, and he probably was, too. That was the most time we had ever spent together long term, and to be honest it was quite exhausting. He was heading off to his friend’s birthday party, and I had something else in mind for myself…naturally. There would be plenty of beer, so he would either end up passing out there with his friends or just head to his apartment after the party and pass out there. After a quick power nap and shower, I decided to make an unannounced visit to Hotmale. In other words, I didn’t text Cam ahead of time to make sure he was working or letting him know I might stop by. I got there right around 9pm and 8 or 9 number boys were doing their rotation parade on stage with no customers at all. lol. I did not see Cam on stage or waiting for his turn to go up. Mamasan almost immediately realized why I was there and tried to assure me that he would be there, but arrives later. Rather hilarious, actually, because mamasan kind of went into panic mode and was afraid I would leave. She started texting and calling Cam to let him know someone was waiting for him, then would update me as to his updated arrival time. I really had to laugh about the scenario. He had the biggest smile on his face once he arrived and saw me. He came in with a bowl of something he had picked up on the street to eat before work. I didn’t even give him a chance to change out of his street clothes. Told him to give the bowl to one of his buddies to enjoy and we would go get some dinner elsewhere. I don’t think he eats out much other than street food, so when it came to making a decision about where to go for dinner, we ended up going with what was most familiar to him…Foodland. While enjoying a meal together, he said it was early and suggested we go visit Soi 4 and possibly see a show over there. Since I had only walked around that Soi during daylight hours when it was totally dead, I was interested to experience it at night. I assumed since it was a Friday night that it would be a lively place, and that assumption was accurate. One thing that struck me as odd, though, is the outside areas of the clubs were packed, as was the actual street. Wall to wall people. You could barely walk without bumping into someone. However, there were very few people actually inside the clubs. Pride restaurant seemed to be the most successful at engaging people in the actual show, because they brought the show outside to where people were sitting. Noise was a big factor with all of the clubs having the music cranked up as much as possible. You couldn’t make a distinction about what club was playing which music. It would seem it was all about being seen and getting noticed…a face off between the right hand side and left hand side. Reminded me of the old time contest of who is going to blink first. lol. The other thing I didn’t care for about Soi 4 is all of the smoking. Even though all of the bars had signs up outside indicating ‘no smoking’, these were ignored completely. The bars even had ash trays on the outdoor tables. At Cam’s recommendation, we decided to watch the show at Banana Club. I believe the main reason for that is several of the boys who were at this club are also from Cambodia and they are buddies. Show had already started when we got there, so probably missed a good 20 minutes of it. Counted a total of 12 customers inside, including us. Mostly males, but two females with male companions. Not sure if you refer to the entertainers as lady boys or drag queens. They seemed to do their numbers in groups of two or three rather than solo work, and each act would only perform one number. It followed a pattern of two singing acts, interspersed with a sexy boy act. Sexy boy acts were also done with two or three performers, not solo. Boys did show some cock, but all with condoms that appeared to be blown up quite a bit…literally blown up like with a bicycle pump or some such device. I don’t recall ever seeing that before. lol. The same three boys appeared in all of their sexy acts, but there was probably 18-20 number boys that paraded on stage during the 15 minute re-set from first show to second. I also noticed that some of the waiters had number tags, so I assume they could be taken off as well. Several of the boys looked older and perhaps should have considered retiring a few years ago. There were a few mid-20’s guys that I would describe as twinks, and one in particular I thought was cute, but otherwise they were all late 20’s to mid-30’s and a bit too muscular for my taste. THB 380 drink price for admission. We only had one drink each, waited for the second show to get started, then decided to leave and head back to the condo. Still rather early, but didn’t want to deal with BTS so took taxi. Cam was going to spend the night, so we took our time exploring each other completely. He has figured out what I really enjoy, and let me say he is very good at it. Since we left Hotmale almost immediately upon his arrival, I only paid the cost of my initial drink, THB 400, and his off fee, THB 500. Got up the next morning and grabbed some breakfast together before he headed off to exercise. We had never actually discussed fee, but I offered THB 3000 and he was very happy with that. Definitely plan to see each other again.

Thought I would expand on my comment in post above: 'Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop.' Been to Phoenix and would never return there. Did not care for that experience whatsoever. One and done. Been to Phetboys (now Love Boy) and would repeat, but do not like mats on the floor. No massage tables in any of their rooms. Communal shower, too, but that doesn't bother me at all. Communication wasn't a problem in scheduling appointments. BT massage has a very limited selection of therapists. I am assuming it must be a small shop with a handful of exclusive guys. They don't seem to share what I refer to as the stable of freelancers. 15M/27M does interest me, although 27M is a bit too far from BTS for my liking. For that reason I would opt for the 15M location. Share the same guys, plus they seem to be the freelancers shared amongst many shops. Kman seems like another good option, although some of the shared freelancers I am most interested in do not appear online for this shop, nor are they in their Line posts. One Spa seems like a good option, but as I recall from Google maps is also a bit far from the BTS station. Personal preference would be close proximity to the station...not that I am adverse to doing any walking. I do enjoy my exercise and a brisk walk is always beneficial. Would rather spend my energy in the massage room, though. lol. Home is another one in that general area, but difficult to find much information and they don't update on Line very often. Stars Man (previously G-beats) is very convenient to BTS and does seem to share the same group of freelancers. This shop interests me because they include the bath as part of their marketing. However, they are not good about daily Line updates...only occasionally do they seem to post. Very intrigued by Ganymede, and think I may actually give it a try this afternoon. Don't believe you need an appointment there. Different BTS station than Saphan Kwai, and location is a bit confusing from website vs. Google maps. I think it is quite possible the website is old and out of date and they may have moved to a new location within the last year. Need to check the most recent review on ShamelessMack2 for this place before heading out today to see if he has better info about how to get there. I am sure there are others I have failed to mention. Just sort of my informal list and reasons. Think it will be Ganymede today, then Stars Man up next, then definitely want to try Fafa near On Nut BTS.

continued…Installment 7: I am going to be out of pocket for a couple of days. Paradise guy is taking two days off for our so-called ‘trip’. My idea of a trip and his are entirely two different things. Guess that’s what happens when my Thai is non-existent, and his English is very limited. lol. I had envisioned we were going someplace exotic and relaxing outside of the city. His definition of trip was taking me to various places around Bangkok for two days that he wanted to make sure I saw or experienced. Anyway, that’s taking place Thursday and Friday until the evening. One of his buddies at the shop has a birthday on Friday and they are having an after-hours party once the shop closes at midnight. To be fair, he did invite me but I politely declined the invitation. I am pretty sure he knew I would, as well as was probably hoping I would! Basically I am the tourist and he is my guide. I actually laid low during the day on Wednesday. Considered going to Saphan Kwai area, but very indecisive about which shop. Ultimately decided it was perhaps a good idea to do some laundry if the next two days would be completely occupied. Actually connected with another forum member who happens to be in town now and we made plans to meet for drinks later in the evening. It will be nice to actually meet with someone in person. I headed over to Silom planning to arrive around 8:15 or thereabouts. I knew the other forum member had special plans late afternoon and would probably be at dinner around that time. I wanted to walk around and check out some of the other venues. As I was walking past Rainbow Dragon, I was stopped by their barker and I took a quick glance at their menu. I had no idea what type of club it was, and before I knew it he had grabbed my arm and was dragging me inside. It is a small place with perhaps 8 booths that can hold four persons in each, long bar with stools, and that’s about it. I sat in the first booth and ordered one drink. I was not planning to stay long. In the next booth was a gentleman who had to be at least five years older than me. Oh, and for those who may not know, this is a host bar. There was one bar tender, one host sitting with the older gentleman, the barker outside and one other person who acted as a waiter. Turns out he was also a host. There was a group of four persons sitting at the last booth down, but they left shortly after I arrived. A couple soon arrived and occupied one of the other empty booths. I finally asked the guy who took my drink order what his official position was, and he said he was one of the hosts. So, I invited him to join me and bought him a drink. We chatted for a good ten or fifteen minutes. He was just my type, too. He said the owner is from California originally and that all of the guys working there are from Myanmar. English was quite good. During our conversation, the older gentleman got up to leave. As he was heading to the exit, his host actually followed him outside. From this I kind of assumed that the host was going home with the gentleman. So, I asked the guy sitting with me if that, in fact, was taking place. He explained the owner does not allow the employees to be taken off during hours. What they do after the bar closes is their own business, but during open hours they socialize but never go off with customers. Naturally, I had to pursue that just a bit further and asked if he ever arranged to meet customers for some fun after the bar closes. Answer was affirmative, so I went one step further and asked if he would like to get together with me. Everyone saw this coming, didn’t you. lol. Exchanged contact info, and he said he actually preferred meeting people before going to work instead of when the bar closes. Closing time is 3am, so rather late to try and connect he said. That certainly works out better for me as well. So we exchanged contact info and will plan for a time to meet next week. By this time I had heard from the forum member asking if I was in the area now and where did we want to meet. He had already been to Freshboy and Goodboy, so would prefer someplace different. Options considered were Hotmale, Moonlight or Dreamboys. Neither of us were really keen on Moonlight, and I was wanting to check out Hotmale anyway to see if the young man I took off with me in October was still working there. So, we agreed to meet at Hotmale, which was right down the soi from my current location. Took me less than five minutes to wrap things up at Rainbow Dragon and head on over. Be about 30 minutes before the other forum member would get there. I knew it was early, so didn’t think there would be many customers yet. When I went inside, there were no other customers. I was the one and only. Probably about 12-15 guys in house doing their rotation on stage with no customers. lol. I still do not understand the thinking behind that. Anyway, I recognized my October tryst right away. He was still there, and he recognized me as well. Had this great big smile on his face. Couldn’t resist and did not hesitate to invite him over right away. I wasn’t about to take any chance that someone else would come in and scoop him up before I could make my move. Didn’t even bother to discuss business with mamasan. Warned the forum member that when he arrived I was already inside and might have some company with me. Also let him know that we might be the only customers for the first show. Checked with my guy to see if he would like to go with me for some playtime and he readily agreed. Only doing short term tonight. No idea what time Paradise guy will show up at the condo in the morning. Deal is sealed and paid the off fee so when we were ready to leave everything was taken care of in advance. Show started at 10pm. There were a few more customers by then, but not many. Some stayed, while others came and went…mostly went. I think at the most there were 12-15 number guys…well, minus one now. Mostly familiar faces from when I was there in October. First show as ok. Rather short. Stayed for the second show and it was actually much better. Performers seemed to enjoy the second act more as well, and it showed in their energy level. After the second show we said our goodbyes and will try to connect again in another week or so. I am occupied the next two days with Paradise guy, and the other forum member is traveling elsewhere in Asia. He will return to Bangkok in about one week. Also think one or two other forum members might be here then as well, and the mention of possibly some karaoke. Headed to the condo for several hours of glorious fun. He definitely remembered things I enjoy doing. For those curious, bar drinks at Hotmale are THB 400. Off fee was THB 500. Gave Cam THB 2000 for short term of three hours, which included tip. That did not include travel time to/from condo. Opted for taxi this trip. More time with Cam at the condo. Exchanged contact info and will definitely be seeing him again. Dang…all of these contact numbers and repeat business. Time is slipping away!

Yes, I've noticed the same thing. Their website still lists both locations and has therapists listed separately for both still. If I happen to go back to Prestige Sathorn and see one of the two I have scheduled with previously, I will ask them what is up with that location.

One thing I have noticed about the shops on Silom, Soi 6, and Surawong is it depends upon the time of day you are looking. Most of the shops open around 11am or 12 noon and do not have many staff members available that early in the day. I had this situation at Wisdom where they literally had no males present in early afternoon and had to contact one of their other Olivia locations to send someone over. I also know from Paradise guy that they don't schedule many guys early in the day, so there may only be one or two sitting outside if it's 1 or 2pm. I think a number of shops in Saphan Kwai area are similar to FaFa and have primarily twinks with a few muscle guys. Not many have websites, or at least well updated and maintained websites, but many have daily posts via Line.

Likewise, I was there this past week and can report it is in fact THB 3100 for 60 minutes and THB 3500 for 90 minutes.

continued…Installment 6: Received a text message from the guy on Grinder who works at the Marriott wanting to know if I wanted a massage. His name was Kenny, and while I did have a good time and would entertain seeing him again, I had something else planned for the day. I would be meeting Paradise guy (in deference to @floridarob) later in the evening at the shop for massage and dinner, but in the afternoon I wanted to check out Senso. Happy to confirm that 60 minutes all inclusive is 3100 Baht and 90 minute all inclusive is 3500 Baht. I arrived around 2pm so they had only been open about one hour. The overall atmosphere was very pleasant. As soon as I walked in, the person in charge invited me to sit down and proceeded to show me a tablet with the two options and the pricing. Oh, and the new photos/videos on the website are indeed AI generated. Those models do not exist in real life. lol. However, there were ten very fine specimens live standing in front of me. The boss used a laser pointer and really tried to steer me towards one guy in particular, but he just wasn’t my type. There were several that I did take a fancy to, and I ultimately decided on a slender guy with nice smile and only a couple of small tattoos. I certainly do not have a problem with body art, but am not a big fan of the guys who have their entire bodies covered. I shall call him Pong. Unlike other shops, price includes tip and you pay at the conclusion of services. They do accept credit card payment, but will add a service charge. I just paid cash. Also unlike other shops, they never had me remove street shoes for slippers. I went directly to the room in my regular shoes. The room was large with a full size bed, not massage table. Pong actually spoke English quite well. He instructed me to get undressed and take a shower, then had me lay face down on the bed while he rinsed off as well. I knew going in that this shop was more about the extra services than massage, so wasn’t expecting too much in that department. I was pleasantly surprised by how good the massage was. Pong used a variety of strokes with a decent amount of pressure and fairly good coverage with plenty of teasing along the way. I had opted for the 90 minute session, and the sensual elements began to intensify after about 45 minutes. He was naked from the beginning, and a full length mirror attached to the wall beside the bed provided ample opportunity for my viewing pleasure while I was face down. Pong was very well endowed and I wasn’t quite sure I could manage it, but he was a very masterful yet gentle top. Flipside was just as exhilarating and he was a fantastic kisser as well. All in all a wonderful afternoon. Glad I followed my gut reaction and chose Pong instead of the other guy. Also, we did exchange Line accounts and he is very open to meeting outside of the shop. I definitely plan to follow up with that. Met Paradise guy as planned at 6:30pm for a two hour session. No idea what the day had been like, but I think I was the only customer in the shop at that time. Many guys sitting out front waiting for their turn in the queue, but it really didn’t look like anyone was walking down Soi 6. Come to find out later there might be a possible reason for this. At this point in time, we usually just dispense with the massage portion and go directly to the fun part. Afterwards we went to grab a quick bite to eat at the night market. My guy headed back to the shop and I was going to stop in at one of the clubs to catch a show. Walked past Dreamboys and no signs of life. Walked down to Midnight bar and was closed up tight as a drum. No lights on, no barkers, no young men outside at Moonlight, Freshboys or Hotmale. It seems yesterday was a national religious holiday, Makha Bucha Day, so no alcohol sales anywhere…even restaurants…and no entertainment establishments open. That would explain why Soi 6 was so quiet as well. Not much foot traffic in general in Silom area other than the night market. Will have to try the clubs another day. Interesting fact, though…female clubs appeared to be open and doing a booming business. What is up with the double standard here?!?