Olddaddy

I don’t know if you can make that blanket statement. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure probably 80 to 90% of guys 25 and under hitting up guys our age are looking for the payday. But they are apparently out there.
My being the hot guy in the club days are far behind me. I’m in my early 50s so I’m not pushing a walker around yet so maybe I still got it … a little bit. But I had two hot guys in their mid 20s both with great jobs showing lots of interest with zero interest in my wallet. For sure I had plenty of money boys hitting me up on Grindr too. But these two had legit interest. Still chatting with them both. One I’ll see when I go back to Bangkok in a couple weeks. A week ago he was talking about coming up to Chiang Mai to spend a weekend together (on his dime).
But yeah, neither one has done the sick grandmother routine on me. The one that lives in Bangkok never let me pay for two meals in a row. Now, is it healthy for a guy in his 50s to be dating someone half his age? That’s definitely up for debate lol. I enjoyed the experience for what it was. Maybe a last hurrah … before I do need a walker.
The only way I think I can explain it is maybe I’m exotic to these guys. Blue eyes and facial hair definitely makes you stand out here. They both love rubbing their fingers through my beard. It was odd. One would run his nose in my beard. I’m still getting used to even having one. It’s still new to me. Always have been clean shaven.
maybe it’s a similar scenario in the Philippines. I’ve never been. I’ll tell you this though. I had zero luck in Ko Samui. I think because there I didn’t stand out at all. Old white dude central there.

Because there's $$$ involved, it's not your heart 💜 there after....................it's your Baht 🅱️
If your after a real boyfriend experience I would say Philippines

Because there's $$$ involved, it's not your heart 💜 there after....................it's your Baht 🅱️
If your after a real boyfriend experience I would say Philippines

You said that sex was available to others but 'not to him'. That is a slur - a not so subtle suggestion that there must be something wrong with me.
"In fact I wasn't thinking of sex workers at all but hooking up in general".
Yeah, right! Especially on a forum discussing sex with Asian guys!
"it's not your place to tell me what I can or can't post and to decide what is good or isn't good for this forum."
You are free to post whatever you want - that is the nature of fora like this. And you are free to be nasty toward fellow posters if you wish. That's your choice. Only the moderator can tell you what content you may and may not post. As he said, 'Discuss the topic, not the policy or personality. Have fun and enjoy!'
The fact is, this board has a well-earned reputation over many years of posters not personally attacking others. I'm merely suggesting we keep it that way.
I'm done. Let's move on.

What a lovely polite friendly man the optometrist at Jomtien complex 
Went to him and made me a few pairs of glasses 🤓 
He has been to Australia 🦘 several times too and that was great conversation 
If you need glasses 🤓 his customer service is good 
 
 

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You make it sound as if the airport is on a moat filled with crocodiles.😅 Step outside for a few days and have a look. If you're planning just to do KL, then three nights, four days would be comfortable.
I'm in KL Mondays to Thursdays and I spend Fridays to Sundays in my home state up north. My family home is about an hour's drive from the nearest Thai border. My partner of fifteen years lives on the other side of that border and it takes about two hours to drive from my house to his in good traffic. 😉
I've never used the hook-up apps but I did hear you can no longer access them here and I remember seeing something about it in the papers. But I'm sure the guys have figured out ways to get around the restrictions. I believe most of the MBs, including many from Africa and Indonesia, used to ply their trade on the apps. Most of the Africans are on student visas.
Male massage parlours have mushroomed all over KL and the ads on social media are quite risque. I'm not sure if any hanky panky goes on during the massages but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. As far as I know, therapeutic manhood massages supposedly to help with ED are allowed and, again, it wouldn't surprise me if it goes beyond that. Most of the masseurs are foreign and I've seen some cute ones on social media.
From what I hear from friends who are still on the prowl, there's no abatement of gays hooking up but if you're expecting the kind of organised commercial sex scene you see in Thailand, you'll be very disappointed. There's at least one LGBTQ bar in KL that I know of, the long running Blueboy. Of course there are plenty of very nice, upscale nightspots that is welcoming to all. All you need is one friend who's active on the scene and go from there.
@spoon might have more current information.

I thought, from previous posts, that there was plenty of available action in KL?

For me, KL was like Singapore - just a place to transit on the way to somewhere interesting. I'd only been there once, over 10 years ago.
But once I made the decision to give it a second chance a few years ago, I discovered how truly interesting it is.
I've been back 7 times in the last 2 years.
If you're looking to hook up with a guy, forget it!
The only chance for sex was the Otot-otot sauna, which is now closed after a raid earlier this year.
Other than that there is certainly no street trade; not unless you're into ladyboys. They congregate outside the Grand Millennium Hotel in Bukit Bintang.
If you want a holiday with polite people- many of whom speak beautiful English, great places to visit and incredible food , Malaysia is for you!
I'll probably be going back next month, on my way to Bangkok.

@Londoner Isn't it a thing for older British women to look for toyboys in Africa? I'm quite sure I read a few articles and saw a documentary about it. But perhaps not in Madagascar or Zanzibar. I think they go to Bali for the same purpose. Here in KL I've seen older, plus sized white women with Black hunks in some of the more popular shopping areas. More power to them.
Incidentally, what were you doing there? 🤔😏

Just finished my four day trip to bkk and ofcourse it was better than the last one.
Had four massages and visited 3 bars
Ist day landed in bkk had asked for the car from the hoel in silom freshened up and visited senso
Mixed bag had a back massage followed by happy ending and then the frontal massage
Was feeling very sleepy so callrd it a night
Day 2
Visited one in saphan kavi asked for a four hands from two tops one 56 and one 54 but unfortunately the 54 got changed to 56
Now coming to the actual part i have never bottomed and 56 was hand full because i never got that thing in and was quite sore
Ended up going to fresh boys and nothing to mention afterwards

That's why being a larger guy I always book business or premium economy or buy 2 economy seats

Some people just won't retire , I often wonder why 
🤔 

I have arrived on the island. After 2 weeks in Bangkok, this is quite the change of pace. To be 100% honest, I'm not quite feeling Koh Samui yet.

The first weird vibe was when I got to my gate at the airport. It felt like I was tricked and being flown back to the US. Everyone was pasty white. Not an Asian in sight. I don't wanna sound racist, but I don't wanna see the albinos. My buddy thinks it's The White Lotus effect. I'll admit I sat through every episode of that show and loved it... but I don't think it influenced my decision to come to Thailand.
After arriving, it felt like Koh Samui is Thailand's answer to Santa Marta or Cartagena in Colombia. Poor neighborhoods until you get where the whiteys are... then it's beautiful. I hate that contrast. That said, I'm not staying in the most touristy of areas. I'm at an Airbnb 20 steps from the beach in what feels like a hybrid local neighborhood but the neighborhood is all ex Pats.
The guys hitting on me on Grindr are decidedly less enticing than they were in Bangkok. Too bad because now I don't have gogo bars or massage parlors to relieve me of my tensions. There are massage parlors all over... but not of my persuasion. And the one gay bar seems to be a $15 Grab each way... and it doesn't look to be all that wild. Can anyone vouch for Pride Bar being worth $30 in Grab fare?
As you can probably tell, I'm a little uncertain about this part of my Thailand trip. I booked it because the guy who did a YouTube channel I watched a lot this past year about Americans and Canadians moving to Thailand left Bangkok for this place. But I'm definitely have 'Kok withdrawal symptoms. We'll see if they subside.

How old was he ?
Be good if we had a RIP or memorial thread
I was just looking through my messages , whatever happened to GWMnUS , I guess he passed away too

in case someone may be wondering the same thing and click on this thread, wanna share my experience, although I only had two occassions where I offered tip. First was with at HAKATA KIDS (Fukuoka). Had a great session with the boy, while resting before shower, the boy slipped my uncondomed dick in his hole. Very much appreciated, tried to tip, before parting, he refused. Second was at massage (+sex). Well built, very nice and polite next-door guy. Been traveling all day and was tired, had some difficulty to penetrate him (also condom may play a role). Ended up finishing in an hour and a half for an hour booking. Tried really hard to pay for the additional time, but the samurai honour would not have him accept it.
I think they understand foreign tip culture. I would say, if you want to show appreciation, try to tip them, in the off chance it's a person who wouldn't mind accepting. And if they don't want to accept, you could apologize and best case, they are understanding, worse case, they get offended but you will never see them again anyway.

That's why being a larger guy I always book business or premium economy or buy 2 economy seats

That's why being a larger guy I always book business or premium economy or buy 2 economy seats

If you really really wanted a boyfriend you would go back to the Philippines and you know it yourself you would find a much better caring guy than Thailand..

No !
He has his own job ...and I certainly don't contribute to his family 
That's up to him , he pays me his share every fortnight of his payday  for expenses, food , internet  , gym etc 
If you have to pay a guy to stay with you it's not real boyfriend, you can pretend it's an allowance, you can pretend it's this n that but in the end your paying someone to stay with you !
And many guys in Pattaya do it ...maybe loneliness...I don't know !
Can any of you live alone in Thailand and be content ...or do you NEED someone?
There is a lot of "needy" people around and Pattaya is not good for a lonely & needy person unless you are willing to pay 
Can pretend that person cares for you I guess?
Some farang owned bars are quite successful because they attract the "needy" & lonely clientele 
The funniest or should I say saddest thing I heard last week was in a straight farang bar where the farang was telling a story and he was only on his 30's visiting Thailand on his 4th trip where he called the Thai GF his "missus" as in Mrs 
He said he had been "dating " the "missus" for 3 years in a long term relationship 
He had got some kind of infection from a mosquito bite and ended up at Pattaya Bangkok hospital 
His "Missus " came to visit him and later demanded 1000 baht for the visit and motorcycle taxi 😆and ...said her friend she brought with her needed to eat too 😁
He was telling the other ( laughing ) farangs he offered her 500 but she wasn't happy 
 
 
 

If you really really wanted a boyfriend you would go back to the Philippines and you know it yourself you would find a much better caring guy than Thailand..

If you really really wanted a boyfriend you would go back to the Philippines and you know it yourself you would find a much better caring guy than Thailand..

Paid companion. Long-term escort. Needy people. Live-in hoe.
Olddaddy has opened up a hornet's nest here which will get a lot of old farangs' panties in a knot for sure. Welcome back, Olddaddy! You're in top form.
@bkkmfj2648 It's very brave of you to share with us about your medical condition. It's nothing to be ashamed of and it does give me a new perspective when reading your posts. I shall keep your useful chart in mind (which I've already saved) when responding to them from now on. Again, thanks for sharing. 🙏🏻🫶✌️💪

No !
He has his own job ...and I certainly don't contribute to his family 
That's up to him , he pays me his share every fortnight of his payday  for expenses, food , internet  , gym etc 
If you have to pay a guy to stay with you it's not real boyfriend, you can pretend it's an allowance, you can pretend it's this n that but in the end your paying someone to stay with you !
And many guys in Pattaya do it ...maybe loneliness...I don't know !
Can any of you live alone in Thailand and be content ...or do you NEED someone?
There is a lot of "needy" people around and Pattaya is not good for a lonely & needy person unless you are willing to pay 
Can pretend that person cares for you I guess?
Some farang owned bars are quite successful because they attract the "needy" & lonely clientele 
The funniest or should I say saddest thing I heard last week was in a straight farang bar where the farang was telling a story and he was only on his 30's visiting Thailand on his 4th trip where he called the Thai GF his "missus" as in Mrs 
He said he had been "dating " the "missus" for 3 years in a long term relationship 
He had got some kind of infection from a mosquito bite and ended up at Pattaya Bangkok hospital 
His "Missus " came to visit him and later demanded 1000 baht for the visit and motorcycle taxi 😆and ...said her friend she brought with her needed to eat too 😁
He was telling the other ( laughing ) farangs he offered her 500 but she wasn't happy 
 
 
 

Had this conversation last night with a board member I hung out with.  Having a real boyfriend can be a nuisance when you're on a trip. I really like this Japanese guy who tapped me on Grindr.  At my age (50s) I'm super flattered to have a smart, hot teacher in his 20s showing interest. And I wouldn't slap the label boyfriend on it. It's pretty much just physical attraction, but we go out on dates and are all cuddly, holding hands. But it takes from my time and uh, "drive" to have fun at the bars.  I'm here for a limited time.  I gotta have my fun too! 😆 

As to your point about allowances, etc. I don't really call that a boyfriend.  Paid companion sure.  But if money is in the equation, it is what it is.  Do I find anything wrong with it?  Absolutely not. But it's just a long term escort vs short term.