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I had a date set up with the big dicked Malay guy I met last Friday at the sauna, but he called in sick. I was kind of relieved, because he said he wanted to stay overnight (I told him I couldn’t sleep with people in my bed, which is true). I am not sure if he was really sick or if something came up. He said he wants to see me next Saturday. Since I only have two more weeks left in Japan, I decided to return to 24 Kaikan in ni-chome to do more “research”. I wanted to see how it compared to Friday, since I was there yesterday and had a good time. I arrived about 2:30. Again, I looked for a machine to check in and there was none. The grumpy older clerk was not there. The mildly grumpy younger guy was. I realized the pricing system is different during the week, which kind of caught me off guard. (I had been all prepared to do everything right and speak perfect Japanese, but this threw me off.) On weekdays, you have three options: private room, towels + robe, or just towels. Only towels is called “shoto” (short) and there’s a 6 hour limit. Since I never wear the robe, that’s what I got the past two Fridays I was there, but I hadn’t realized that it wasn’t an option when I went on weekends. Today I looked for it and noticed it wasn’t an option. I went to my locker, and of course there was someone standing right next to mine in the otherwise empty locker room. I got changed and went up to the washing area. There were a few guys soaking and one guy washing up. No one really caught my interest, and no one seemed interested in me. It took a while (maybe 15 minutes) until this very sexy dark-skinned guy came towards the back where I was standing. He got in the cold plunge. When he got out and walked towards the steam room where I was standing outside, he smiled at me. I couldn’t place where he was from, but I’m thinking maybe Polynesia, Māori, or somewhere in that area. He had dark skin and was hairy, had a beard and beautiful curly hair, a big thick muscular body and a beautiful smile. I said, “I can’t believe you got in that.” He told me it was good for him. He was hungover. Then he invited me to join him in the steam room. I really enjoyed playing with him. He had a beautiful body and loved having his nipples sucked. He was ice cold from the cold plunge and his cold skin felt so refreshing in the hot steam room. We kissed, I sucked him, he sucked me, and gradually a small orgy formed around us. Finally it got too hot for me and I told him I needed a break. I went and took a cold shower and rested a bit. I did hook up with him again in the steam room later and we pretty much repeated the same thing. For the most part, it was other non-Asian foreigners who were engaging with me. Most of the Asian guys were not interested. One Japanese guy joined me and my dark-skinned friend for a bit, we spoke later and he told me he had lived in the states and was now living in Finland. There was also a beautiful young blond boy who looked like a first-timer. He walked back towards the sauna and seemed hesitant to go in. I figured he was out of my league, so I didn’t bother to follow him in, but I saw another white guy who was in worse shape than me go in after him so I figured if he was going to go for it, at least I could go take a look. The cute young guy was sitting in the area in the front of the sauna and was already being accosted by two people. The other white guy and an Asian guy with a nice dick. I decided to join in. I got down on my knees to watch the white guy sucking his cock and he was nice enough to share (I love it when people are generous that way). The boy was sucking the Asian guy’s cock and the other guy started sucking his nipples while I sucked his cock. His dick was the perfect size and it was really hot, but the steam came on and we all had to take a break. That boy was followed around by a crowd every time I saw him and usually had two or three guys pawing at him whenever he decided to engage. I went up to the fourth floor, which is really my least favorite area because it’s either people having sex already, people sleeping, or guys feeling up people who are sleeping or already having sex. I have gotten lucky there a few times, but my luckiest spot seems to be the steam room. Nothing happened on the fourth floor, so I went back down to the steam room. The cute young guy was surrounded by 4 or 5 guys and I joined in. Eventually I decided it was time for me to cum and I left a little after 5. It was a hot time and I am sure I had more fun there than I would if I went to the bathhouse near where I live in California, but, for the sake of my research, I am going to go there one day just to check it out and see if have any luck, or end up being invisible. When I went to check out, there was no one at the desk, so I said “sumimasen”. After a minute or two a new guy I had never seen before appeared. He said something which I think translated as “sorry to keep you waiting”. He gave me a hearty “domo arigato gozaimasu” when he handed me the key. It was the kind of customer service I have become accustomed to in Japan and why the other interactions I’ve had at the desk seem so odd and out of place. So in terms of my assessment of the grumpy guy at check-in and others saying they haven’t had that experience, maybe it depends on who you get. It kind of felt like the three bears. There was the most grumpy, who is an older guy who seems to be there in the early afternoon, medium grumpy, a younger guy who is there in the later afternoon, and not grumpy at all, but very Japanese in terms of formulaic customer service language, who was there when I checked out after 5. As far as the action at 24 Kaikan, there really seems to be something for everyone there. I prefer going early in the day because I feel like my ability to have fun decreases as it gets more crowded. But if you are hot, by all means, go later and like that cute young first-timer, you’ll have a crowd following you around and fighting over you. I’m going to miss it and I’m going to miss Japan.

I won’t be engaging. It’s obvious you are getting misinformation from somewhere and a back and forth will be a waste of my time.

I didn’t realize Moses was from Russia (I always thought Moses lived in Judea). Ironic, isn’t it? I’d like to know why he left Russia if he’s so in favor of Putin’s tactics on US soil and against immigration.

Unfortunately, not all learned that. They still talk about the BLM protests as examples of how radical leftists burned down American cities, when those of us who are in touch with reality know that is not true and the violence was started by infiltrators.

I’m talking about the protestors that Don the Con is planning on using our military against. Believe me, if you are an undocumented immigrant, you try to lay low and don’t show up at protests. Most of them are too busy working anyway.

Once again, an otherwise informative thread gets derailed by petty arguing. Where are the moderators?

I definitely appreciate your expertise. Thank you for your posts. I hope to be able to visit one day.

Shows how uninformed you are. The people on the streets protesting are American citizens.

That’s not what is happening now. People are being kidnapped at immigration check-in appointments and even as they go for their citizenship. “Do it legally” - they are doing it legally and it doesn’t matter. Mothers being torn away from their screaming children, children kidnapped on the way to school and volleyball practice. No warrants. No ID. No formal charges. No due process. Oh, and now Trump realizes that no one will pick our fruit and vegetables or clean his hotel rooms if he deports everyone. If this is about criminality, why aren’t they going to the places where gangs are selling drugs? I can tell you exactly where to go in SF and SFPD knows exactly where to go as well. Instead, they’re going to immigration courts and workplaces. So fuck off with your stupid analogy. And PS - everything was fine in LA before ICE showed up and Cheeto Mussolini sent in the National Guard.

Exactly. I remember the anarchists showing up at a very small, and peaceful protest against the war in Central America in the 80s. They have been at every protest I’ve been to. They don’t give a shit about the issue people are protesting, they just want to start trouble. And then there are the Proud Boys and other right-wing groups who also infiltrate protests on the left and try to incite riots. What we should be more concerned about is a president mobilizing the National Guard and the Marines to be used against American citizens. That is the real story here.

I returned to 24 Kaikan in ni-chome because I needed to complete my research I realized last Friday was Pride weekend and maybe it was so busy because everyone was in town for Pride, so it really wasn’t a fair comparison with Ueno on a Friday afternoon. I found this great (legit) massage place in Nogata, where I was staying before, and have been going every Friday. Last Friday, after the massage, I went to Thermae Yu for a soak but that just made me horny, so today I went straight to 24 Kaikan after a quick lunch. I got the usual icy reception from the guy at the desk. My “konnichiwa” was not acknowledged. I’ve given up expecting a warm welcome. As long as he checks me in, I’m happy. BTW, he was not happy when I said, “credito” to pay with credit card and mumbled something under his breath. I really am not imagining this. The guy is so un-Japanese in his customer service skills. At the massage place I went in the morning, every time a customer entered, everyone in the place shouted “konnichiwa” including the guy working on me who had a curtain closed and couldn’t even see who was entering. I also remember at GB being greeted by a hearty “irrashaimasse” by all of the bartenders when I entered. Maybe it’s the guy who is there in the afternoon and maybe he’s been working all night, but he’s definitely grumpy. Anyway, after clearing the grumpy hurdle, I went to my locker. It’s Murphy’s law that no matter which locker you choose, there will always be someone standing at the locker right next to you. And this was the case. But a few lockers down, an older Asian guy took off his towel and revealed a nice semi-hard cock. He caught me looking at him and his hardness increased. Wow, that was fast. I hadn’t even undressed! He followed me upstairs and sat next to me while I washed, his dick sticking straight up - he definitely was excited to see me We went back to the shower stall to play. Another guy entered one of the other stalls and stuck his dick through a glory hole. Hmmm…maybe Friday afternoons really were busy. After we all finished playing, I went back out to the bathing area and it was pretty empty. I had arrived at 1:30. It was now about 2:00 and there really weren’t many people there. I think last Friday I had arrived around 2:30 or 3, so maybe it was still too early. So, long story short, I think it was a little busier last Friday, but by 3:00 things had really picked up and I still had a lot of fun. I saw the guy from the orgy in the steam room last week and we played again with several others joining in. He seems to like the steam room. But the steam was on full force and it got really hot. I can’t tell if he is Japanese, but he’s very hot and I really love playing with him. I finally had enough and left about 3:45. I asked about the “machine” that I was told exists to check in and was told there was none, so maybe we’re talking about different places. So Friday afternoons seem to be a good time to go. It’s not super busy, but there are enough people there who are happy to play with an old man to make it worth a visit. Now I might try another day of the week. I have to continue my research.

I wonder if we’re talking about the same place. I went to 24 Kaikan in 2-chrome today and looked for a machine. I didn’t see anything. The same grumpy guy checked me in (more on that later). When I checked out, I looked again. I saw a ticket machine for food around the corner (never knew they had food), but no machine to check in. So I asked if there was a machine to check in. It was a younger guy who was nicer than the grumpy guy who checked me in, until I asked that question. He simply said, “koko dake” - only here, and acted like I was crazy for asking about a machine. So if someone goes there and can snap a photo, I’d really appreciate it, otherwise, I think we’re talking about different places.

Good to know. I’ve honestly never noticed the machine. I prefer using my credit card, so I’ll continue with the grumpy guy at the desk. Maybe I’m expecting the hearty “irrashaimasse” that I get everywhere else in Japan and that’s why I think I’m getting a chilly reception at the desk. It isn’t a big deal. I will still go there. I’m planning on going this Friday afternoon for “research”. I realized last weekend was Pride and that may have been why it was so busy.

Since I’m staying closer now, I went one night at 9 pm. By 10 most of the annoying guys had left. A guy sidled up to be at the urinal and started playing with himself. I couldn’t see his cock, but took a chance and joined him when he went into one of the stalls. He looked Korean, dressed like a tourist, but young and cute. He unzipped his pants and looked like he just wanted to be sucked. He had a really nice fat cock. Probably about 6 inches, but really meaty. We both came and left - the bathroom was empty at that point. Felt like the old days. Maybe just luck, but I am going to try going later from now on. The old guys are in bed by then (except this one).

It was very out of context and I had no idea what it meant. Also, I’m not the one planning on going to Luang Prabang.

Obviously, I am unaware of this trend, but thanks for the info.

I still have PTSD from when I first joined this forum and felt like I was being hazed. Fortunately the worst offender that crazy Slovak guy, seems to either have been booted off or … I appreciated the explanation. I don’t follow Lao news.

I was referring to the steps that take you from street level to the entrance. I never noticed the machine. Maybe this is why I get an icy reception. I should use the machine before going to the reception desk? I’ll look for it next time. I think just towels was 2900. Towels + robe was 3300.

Oh, thanks for the explanation. Had nothing to do with my comment. 🤷‍♂️

Must be me then. I greet them in Japanese and get no response.

I don’t know what that means but it sounds like an unnecessary insult.

I’d say make sure you start in Bangkok and end there. At least that was my experience. Luang Prabang is a beautiful place, but I never found anything there beyond the temples. It is definitely worth a visit, but not a sex destination. As others have said, you might get lucky on the apps, but probably with other tourists.

You go up the stairs from the street, enter and take off your shoes (there are very big signs). Put your shoes in a shoe locker. You’ll need a 10 yen coin. Take your key to the counter and give it to the guy at the desk. He will give you a locker key with the same number (pay attention to the shoe lockers - some of them are for private rooms only). They will point to a sign to ask you what you want. I have been there many times but only just realized there are several options - a private room (not necessary), a towel set + robe, or just a towel set. I never wear the robe, so the last time I got just the towel set - small towel (which you carry in the bath area) and bath towel (which you can wear in more public areas). You can pay with cash or credit card. Just the towel set is about 2,900 yen, towel + robe is about 3,300 yen. They ask you your name. I think they all speak some English at the desk. Don’t expect a friendly greeting. LOL. Don’t take it personally. Grab your stuff and go straight to the back on the same floor to find your locker. Strip and wrap your bath towel around your waist, take the small towel with you and go up to the third floor (you are entering on floor 2). Again, head towards the rear (pun intended) and you’ll find some cubicles (some with little doors) to store your bath towel. I always choose one of the covered ones near the bottom. You can put your bath towel in one of those if you want. Remember where you put it. Enter the wet area. There is a row of plastic stools and everything you need to wash up. Do the bathing ritual. You’ll see two baths - one is hotter the other is cooler. Soak if you want. It’s a good spot to see who is there and get your bearings. From the bath area, if you walk to the back, there are showers and two dry saunas. Beyond that, there is a cold plunge, and two steam rooms - one of them is very wet. Cruising and fun can often happen in the saunas or steam rooms. The steam room all the way at the back is usually where I have the most luck. You can also play in the shower stalls if you want privacy (a few of them have glory holes). There are two toilets in the shower area that have hoses if you are planning on bottoming. Go up to the fourth floor for “dark rooms”. There are several rooms with beds. This is not my favorite part. This is where I went last Friday with the Malaysian guy. Beyond that, the floors are private rooms. Nothing seems to happen there. I guess guys who get rooms meet someone and take them there? Or maybe they sleep. The very top floor is an outdoor roof deck. During the week, there seems to be a lunchtime rush of mostly Japanese guys. Depending on what you look like, this might not be the best time to go. That rush seems to last a few hours and then it gets quiet until later afternoon when it starts to get busy again. I’d say about 3 p.m. is a good time to go. I’ve always had luck at that time. Early on a weekend day is a nice crowd (for me). Enough people to get lucky, but not too many where it becomes overwhelming. By 5 or 6 it gets really crowded. They close the shower/sauna area around 5:50 for cleaning, so that really limits your options until they are done. If you go after 6 on a Friday/Saturday, it will probably be very busy. I have never gone that late. I’ve always gone early and always found someone to play with. One thing I noticed on a Sunday early afternoon was that there were a lot of people sleeping in the dark room area. I’m assuming the were leftover from Saturday night. So early Saturday seemed better than early Sunday. When you finish, go back down to your locker, get dressed and return everything to the desk. There are signs saying you’ll be charged if you don’t return all of your towels, so make sure you have everything. They will return your shoe lockers key. Go back to the entrance and put on your shoes in the small entryway. That’s it! My recommendation would be to go around 3 p.m. on a weekday. It will be busy enough that you’ll be able to have fun but not so busy that you’ll be overwhelmed. Eat before you go in case you want to stay more than a few hours. Saturday anytime seems to be good, but early is better in my opinion for reasons I’ve stated. Sunday later in the afternoon seems better, after those who have slept over have left and a new awake crowd arrives. One thing I like is that there are enough guys there who are attracted to older guys and guys with bellies that everyone seems to be able to find someone to play with. This also seems like a good time because there are many tourists in town, meaning a bigger variety of guys to play with. I met the hot Malaysian this past Friday. The last two times I went, I met hot Korean guys. Japanese guys are hit or miss. Many of them only like other Japanese, but I think the ones who choose this location might like foreigners as well. I like having more options though as a 65-year-old with a bit of a belly. Hope this helps. I understand the shyness, but everyone is there for the same reason. If nothing else, go and have a good soak/sauna and enjoy the eye candy.

I just realized it’s Pride weekend in Tokyo, so that may have contributed to the crowds yesterday. Not sure what Pride is like here in Tokyo. I went back in the 90s and it was a very small little procession under a freeway with people covering their faces. I’m assuming things have changed. Anyway, now I’ll have to go back again on another Friday just so I can make a fair comparison.

I tried it when I was here in January/February and I really didn’t understand how it worked, so I deleted the app. I am meeting people on Grindr and to be honest, at my age, I really can’t handle more than what I’m getting. The equipment just doesn’t work like it used to.