26 minutes ago, mvan1 said:

Let me use an example of one of my personal clients who is a very prominent film director/producer and an academy award winner.  

He is extremely wealthy and influential in many circles.  No question, his children are/were born into privilege. 

He has a daughter who repeatedly tried to use her father's influence to break into the film industry and become a leading lady in movies. 

Unfortunately, the daughter is plain and borders on being ugly.  

Regardless of the status and influence of her father, the daughter will never be a star or a leading lady as she so much wants to be.  As a courtesy to her father, she was given small bit parts but never anything of substantive importance in a film.  

Your client is Francis Ford Coppola, and his daughter is Sofia? Just a guess, but it definitely fits the facts of your narrative. Of course, you don’t have to answer.

Coppola’s nephew, Nicolas, is a better (male) example of someone who is not very attractive but born on third base thinking he hit a triple. Nicolas Coppola is better known as ... Nicolas Cage.

48 minutes ago, mvan1 said:

Reasonable people can disagree

And that's why I disagree with you (somewhat).

Celebrities who acquire wealth based on looks alone rarely run the test of time for longer than a minute. Here, the word minute is a metaphor. Smart people know that good looks are fleeting for the vast majority of people. I can count the Cindy Crawford's in my life on one finger. If you don't have intelligence and/or talent or greater genes to back a great face up, there isn't much substance or life to the so-called privilege of being attractive.

I would argue that Bundchen and Clooney are SO MUCH more than pretty faces. Clooney grew into his handsomeness. When he was much younger, he was fairly average looking.

When the subject is modeling, particularly Supermodels, most people have no clue what that talent entails. Most people don't know what it takes to be a good actor or a great movie star, either. Everyone assumes wrongly that just a pretty face will suffice.

Escorts are required to be good at sex. You don't need to be a raging beauty to be successful as an escort. Good looks can certainly help an escort to expand his/her career. Good looks will open doors, but they don't guarantee they'll stay open. The aging clock never stops ticking, so good-looking people are forced to ride a wave as good as one can. The wave eventually breaks and comes crashing down.

I don't know any super hot escorts who have earned Bundchen and Clooney money. Nowhere near that income, not even by a tenth. So much for the privilege of good looks.

Some young people who think they're good-looking often behave entitled. This is not an endearing quality, so I would argue they're not a good example of privilege.

48 minutes ago, mvan1 said:

What if Bundchen and Clooney had been ugly or just ordinary looking - would they have had the opportunities they had?

This is a silly question. Certain industries require beauty, such as high-fashion modeling and movie star acting. Beauty is an enhancement in escorting, but I would argue a personality means so much more. There are plenty of successful escorts who don't even have a huge cock. If you want to see the gifts of true privilege, show me someone with a golden personality. Who doesn't want to be around that person?

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by RockHardNYC

A pretty face who is just an asshole gets the privilege of my boot in his ass.

In the context of privilege theory, beauty privilege is less of a privilege than, for example, economic privilege, white privilege, cis privilege, straight privilege, male privilege,  etc.

Specifically, this is because there are no institutionalised forces enforced by beautiful people, ‘oppressing’ the not-so-beautiful masses.  (Contrast this with segregation, apartheid, the caste system in India, sodomy laws, rights of women in Saudi Arabia, etc)

In general, beauty privilege is rooted in health privilege. While we in the first world take adequate nourishment, sanitation and at least the option of rest after a hard day’s work for granted, historically that would be reserved for, well, privileged classes; bourgeoisie, aristocracy, nobility, royalty.

The irony lost on many a young Instagram validation junkie today is that only a few centuries ago, being overweight would be a marker of high social status and robust health, and the average peasant would expect to be frail, sick and starving on a regular basis.

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by riorockstar

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

 

This is a silly question. Certain industries require beauty, such as high-fashion modeling and movie star acting. Beauty is an enhancement in escorting, but I would argue a personality means so much more. 

 

There you go again.  You just finished writing a thought provoking narrative. Then, you had to get "silly" and make your inappropriate silly remark by calling my question, silly.  

Silly, almost anyone who reads is aware of the famous author Margaret Hungerford's book, Molly Bawn, wherein the author wrote the following idiom in its present form (although the concept dates back centuries):

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - 

 

46 minutes ago, mvan1 said:

There you go again.

I enjoy a worthwhile discussion. But when someone with a rather strong opinion comes along and asks a question that has an OBVIOUS answer, I get impatient.

1 hour ago, riorockstar said:

In the context of privilege theory, beauty privilege is less of a privilege than, for example, economic privilege, white privilege, cis privilege, straight privilege, male privilege,  etc.

Specifically, this is because there are no institutionalised forces enforced by beautiful people, ‘oppressing’ the not-so-beautiful masses.  (Contrast this with segregation, apartheid, the caste system in India, sodomy laws, rights of women in Saudi Arabia, etc)

In general, beauty privilege is rooted in health privilege. While we in the first world take adequate nourishment, sanitation and at least the option of rest after a hard day’s work for granted, historically that would be reserved for, well, privileged classes; bourgeoisie, aristocracy, nobility, royalty.

The irony lost on many a young Instagram validation junkie today is that only a few centuries ago, being overweight would be a marker of high social status and robust health, and the average peasant would expect to be frail, sick and starving on a regular basis.

Also, the concept of “beauty privilege” must consider that standards of beauty is heavily determined by the ruling or oppressing class on the oppressed or underclass. 

Therefore, it is no coincidence that the Brazilian female beauty standard is not the dark-skinned Bahian beach beauty, but the supermodel of German-ancestry Gisele Bundchen. 

1 hour ago, RockHardNYC said:

I enjoy a worthwhile discussion. But when someone with a rather strong opinion comes along and asks a question that has an OBVIOUS answer, I get impatient.

Be careful, you might get a heart attack.

You might start off with a little prozac - it will tame your impatience - 

Why do people take Prozac?

Prozac is an antidepressant. It is mainly used to treat major depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and panic disorder. Also known by its generic name, fluoxetine,

This thread has gone a little off the rails....or are we still talking about   Photos of 2 boys I had in Havana ?

9 minutes ago, floridarob said:

This thread has gone a little off the rails....or are we still talking about   Photos of 2 boys I had in Havana ?

It has gone a little a little off topic - 

However, isn't that what happens with many threads?

All is well intended (I think)

1 hour ago, mvan1 said:

Be careful, you might get a heart attack.

Yes, from posters who use too much bold to express their strong opinions.

50 minutes ago, floridarob said:

This thread has gone a little off the rails

Good grief, it's page 5. What else is a thread supposed to do at this age?

15 hours ago, floridarob said:

This thread has gone a little off the rails....or are we still talking about   Photos of 2 boys I had in Havana ?

I absolutely and wholeheartedly concur!

14 hours ago, RockHardNYC said:

Yes, from posters who use too much bold to express their strong opinions.

Good grief, it's page 5. What else is a thread supposed to do at this age?

The webmaster can freeze anymore postings to this post if the ideas are not relevant!

6 hours ago, axiom2001 said:

The webmaster can freeze anymore postings to this post if the ideas are not relevant!

Hopefully, this will also include irrelevant, stale and outdated “ideas” from posters who haven’t visited the country in 10 years (and if they did visit, they didn’t hire while there  — because numerous tired excuses that we’ve already read ad nauseum).

This is a good a place as any to say goodbye. I learned a lot from this forum and really appreciated the advice people like @Tomcalgave so generously. Like some of the eager travelers who discovered Brazil here I may have been annoying at times and may have pressed too far in getting leads, for that, I apologize.

 

But if every post now is going to get hijacked and we know we can't trust the fellas on this forum with pictures, which did make this place a lot more fun, then I think it's a good a time as any to retire my sexy avatar and move on. Good luck to everyone and safe travels. 

On 1/6/2019 at 5:02 PM, SolaceSoul said:

Hopefully, this will also include irrelevant, stale and outdated “ideas” from posters who haven’t visited the country in 10 years (and if they did visit, they didn’t hire while there  — because numerous tired excuses that we’ve already read ad nauseum).

Fuck off!

1 hour ago, axiom2001 said:

Fuck off!

So much pent-up anger. Hopefully, you can finally release some of that tension on your next trip out of the country.... in 2029.

5 hours ago, demedici said:

This is a good a place as any to say goodbye. I learned a lot from this forum and really appreciated the advice people like @Tomcalgave so generously. Like some of the eager travelers who discovered Brazil here I may have been annoying at times and may have pressed too far in getting leads, for that, I apologize.

 

But if every post now is going to get hijacked and we know we can't trust the fellas on this forum with pictures, which did make this place a lot more fun, then I think it's a good a time as any to retire my sexy avatar and move on. Good luck to everyone and safe travels. 

One thread goes haywire and you are out of here? I support that decision, because partipating in forums often mean either going with the flow or ignoring it. There will always be an exciting new thread to make one forget that hijacked thread that now looks pretty sad.

Hijacked, it seems, often means a handful of bullying bitches showing off, shaming others by trying to pass off their cheap shares of Dunce Hats 'R' US. Entirely dumpable, as they lack valid points.