10tazione Posted May 18 Posted May 18 6 hours ago, PeterRS said: I'd have thought that was a great idea. Then at least the boys might at least dance energetically. From my last bar hopping days, most of the guys seemed to care little about dancing or nothing other than chatting to each other - and their phones Had mobile phones been invented yet the last time you went bar hopping? vinapu and floridarob 2 Quote
vinapu Posted May 18 Posted May 18 8 hours ago, jason1975 said: Since when has the bars ever care about the welfare of the guys! Feb 30th Quote
vinapu Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Keithambrose said: Is it just the gay bars that have this issue? Last time i was there, 3 months ago, the girlie bars had girls in tiny bras and g-strings, even outside the bars in the street in Patpong 2. blatant sex discrimination IMHO jamiebee and PeterRS 2 Quote
PeterRS Posted May 18 Posted May 18 17 minutes ago, 10tazione said: Had mobile phones been invented yet the last time you went bar hopping? Since I stopped going to gay venues in 2019 . . . Quote
vinapu Posted May 18 Posted May 18 8 minutes ago, PeterRS said: Since I stopped going to gay venues in 2019 . . . well before I got my first smartphone then Quote
jason1975 Posted May 18 Posted May 18 10 hours ago, vinapu said: confirmed by my spies as well You know the guys in Freshboys? I thought they were not your type! Quote
vinapu Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, jason1975 said: You know the guys in Freshboys? I thought they were not your type! You are correct but didn't I mention 'spies " , they may have different taste then me , no ? Quote
PeterRS Posted May 19 Posted May 19 14 hours ago, vinapu said: well before I got my first smartphone then Oh! You clearly are soooo much younger than I thought! Have you learned how to work it now? 🤣 floridarob 1 Quote
vinapu Posted May 19 Posted May 19 2 minutes ago, PeterRS said: Oh! You clearly are soooo much younger than I thought! Have you learned how to work it now? 🤣 no, in reverse, I obtained my first on every late and only because I realized that it's necessary for travel. Wanted visit Lithuania and they required QR code on the phone to allow entry at tail end of covid pandemics. I did not have it but border guard generated it on HIS phone for me and let me in. Then I knew my phone virginity is over jamiebee, bkkmfj2648 and floridarob 1 2 Quote
PeterRS Posted May 19 Posted May 19 12 minutes ago, vinapu said: Then I knew my phone virginity is over Happens to us all now! And we don't even get a sexual thrill from it! Quote
Popular Post jason1975 Posted May 23 Popular Post Posted May 23 Latest update. After a few days of being fully dressed, situation at Fresh Boys is now back to usual status quo. jamiebee, bkkmfj2648, emiel1981 and 6 others 9 Quote
vinapu Posted May 24 Posted May 24 11 hours ago, jason1975 said: Latest update. After a few days of being fully dressed, situation at Fresh Boys is now back to usual status quo. OI gather they set AC properly so it's not as cold inside now Quote
Keithambrose Posted May 24 Posted May 24 On 5/18/2025 at 12:57 PM, 10tazione said: Had mobile phones been invented yet the last time you went bar hopping? I think they had just invented the wheel.... vinapu, 10tazione, floridarob and 1 other 4 Quote
jason1975 Posted May 25 Posted May 25 So I found out more about what happened. The guys at FB were told to cover up because of possible police raid. Once they covered up, the number of customers dropped. Some customers stepped into the bar, saw the fully dressed guys and exited straightaway. But the show continued as usual with performers in states of undress including the big cock show. I was wondering to myself would I really stop going to a bar just because I can't see the guys in shorts or underwear. I fiddled with AI to generate these two images. Even though the guys are fully covered, their fantastic bodies can still clearly be seen through their tight figure-hugging T-shirts. And their handsome faces and smiles are still there to be seen! bkkmfj2648, ichigo, Ruthrieston and 1 other 4 Quote
bkkmfj2648 Posted May 25 Posted May 25 Unfortunately, when the (BiB) Boys in Brown interfere with why we come all the way to Thailand = to be entertained in an erotic and tantalizing way = we are disappointed and frustrated So, when the BiB decide to ruin this type of "tourist attraction" for us - we vote with our feet and go somewhere else. What the BiB probably don't realize is that they: 1.) Hurt Thailands economy when people stop visiting because of these inconvenient BiB harrassments, 2.) Hurt the bars income that is used to pay the BiB their "extra" wages, 3.) Hurt our sexy guys by denying them their well deserved income. So, everyone loses. So, why do the BiB continue to do this? I will never understand why. Often Thailand is its own worst enemy when it comes to protecting the Thai GDP and Thai economy. This is only 1 of so many numerous examples. splinter1949, emiel1981, Travellerdave and 1 other 4 Quote
Popular Post spoon Posted May 25 Popular Post Posted May 25 2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said: So, why do the BiB continue to do this? They have to. For them, its a win win situation. Harassing keep the businesses on their toes, and in turn will make sure they pay tea money consistently. At the same time, it shows to the public, goody two shoes citizens, that they are doing their jobs. Rinse and repeat, each time they need to raise tea money. As long as businesses keep open, a bit of harassment, especially during low season, when customer is low anyway, wont disturbed much of the BIB income, as they would always insist on getting their share regardless how much the bar is making. A second scenario i can think of, the group of BIB that do the harassment, arent the same one thats getting the tea money. But, they will alert the businesses of potential harassment so the businesses will be prepared, such as making sure boys are cover up, pretend to work as waiter etc. In return of giving the insider info, businesses will keep paying them tea money. PeterRS, Rent Boy, bkkmfj2648 and 4 others 5 2 Quote
vinapu Posted May 25 Posted May 25 6 hours ago, jason1975 said: I was wondering to myself would I really stop going to a bar just because I can't see the guys in shorts or underwear. you are getting better and better with your AI by the day, congratulations. As for question asked, no I wouldn't stop going to bar, I often find guys in jeans looking more sexy than in undies which is strange as I never wear jeans myself. it needs to be said though that in long run 'all dressed ' policy would encourage me from offs from such bar. In short , for entertainment yes , for business , rather not Quote
Keithambrose Posted May 25 Posted May 25 8 hours ago, jason1975 said: So I found out more about what happened. The guys at FB were told to cover up because of possible police raid. Once they covered up, the number of customers dropped. Some customers stepped into the bar, saw the fully dressed guys and exited straightaway. But the show continued as usual with performers in states of undress including the big cock show. I was wondering to myself would I really stop going to a bar just because I can't see the guys in shorts or underwear. I fiddled with AI to generate these two images. Even though the guys are fully covered, their fantastic bodies can still clearly be seen through their tight figure-hugging T-shirts. And their handsome faces and smiles are still there to be seen! Sorry, but t shirts and jeans don't do it for me! PeterRS 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted May 26 Posted May 26 13 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said: I will never understand why. Often Thailand is its own worst enemy when it comes to protecting the Thai GDP and Thai economy. This is only 1 of so many numerous examples. I hate to disagree with you because what you say is really quite obvious. But the fact is that the revenues contributing to Thailand's GDP from gay gogo bars must be the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction of 1%. After all, how many gay gogo bars are there? A few in Bangkok, a handful in Pattaya, a couple or so perhaps in Chiang Mai and the same in Phuket. Think back 30 years when the gogo bars were really in their heyday and not only the b-in-b but the economy as a whole did no doubt gain a lot more. I have zero doubt that the multitude of girlie bars all around the Kingdom actually generates vastly more to GDP. From reading threads in other forums, it seems that gay gogo bars around the world have been vanishing at quite a rapid rate. As one who revelled in the variety available in Thailand all those years ago, I wonder why this is. On the other hand I can understand why saunas and massage spas have retained - if not increased - their popularity. Perhaps we should not isolate gogo bars and think of the sex industry as a whole (and this means not just in-person sex but other aspects like Thailand's large underground movie industry). We know that behind the tourist facade there is a very large sex industry in Thailand. It's almost impossible to find figures but I have seen it claimed the industry as a whole amounted to US$60 billion in 2012. Let's assume for the sake of discussion that this grew to $80 billion in 2024. This compares with 2024's GDP of US$2.2 trillion. In other words (if my math is anywhere near correct) around 3.6% of GDP. Let's also look at Japan where we also know that the sex industry is all-pervasive, extremely well organised and caters almost exclusively to the local population rather than tourists. In an article last month Kyodo News estimated that Japan's total annual Defence spending in 2024 amounted to approx, US$70 billion or around 1.6% of GDP. 13 years ago the Japan Subculture Research Center estimated that the total spend on sex in Japan then to be US$100 billion. If we assume that this could have risen by as much as 50% (given the particular circumstances in Japan I am assuming the annual trend will be higher than in Thailand), then Japan spends more than twice as much on sex as it does on defense! And that perhaps rather surprisingly equates roughly to the Thailand percentage of GDP. Yet I have seen a figure somewhere that Japan actually spends 5% of GDP on the sex industries. So it is very important to stress again that accurate figures are extremely hard to find and estimates on various websites show major differences. My point being that taken as a whole, the potential revenues from gay gogo bars in Thailand (locals and tourists) is as small as a mosquito compared to the komodo dragon we think it might be! https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2025/04/2ddf9dea797c-urgent-japans-fy-2025-defense-related-costs-to-total-18-of-gdp-minister.html https://www.japansubculture.com/sexnomics-japans-billion-dollar-sex-industry-and-the-pink-zone/ Ruthrieston and floridarob 2 Quote
jason1975 Posted May 26 Posted May 26 15 hours ago, vinapu said: it needs to be said though that in long run 'all dressed ' policy would encourage me from offs from such bar. In short , for entertainment yes , for business , rather not You mean "discourage me from offs from such bar" ? vinapu 1 Quote
jason1975 Posted May 26 Posted May 26 I don't know anything about GDP and economics. All I know is that my favourite bar in Bangkok continues to operate. Some more AI shenanigans! vinapu 1 Quote
Rent Boy Posted May 26 Posted May 26 On 5/25/2025 at 1:39 PM, bkkmfj2648 said: So, why do the BiB continue to do this? Vinapu kindly provided the answer in the second post. On 5/16/2025 at 1:16 AM, vinapu said: my guess is they paid tea money in coins or something I am not aware of any rule which says people can't wear underwear on stage, or essentially the same clothing they wear on the beach. This doesn't matter when dealing with a mafia extortion racket. About 100metres down the road, you regularly see ladies OUTSIDE their bars in skimpy underwear. But they probably paid the tea money in brown notes. I bet you can find bars with cocks on show and other bars with naked ladies. On 5/17/2025 at 3:39 AM, PeterRS said: To my thinking a gogo bar in which the boys are fully dressed is not a gogo bar! Agreed. And I won't be paying gogo prices to watch what I can see on the street for free. vinapu 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 hour ago, Rent Boy said: I bet you can find bars with cocks on show and other bars with naked ladies. There are certainly such bars around but you will be hard pressed to find any. There is a very large Thai underground sex scene but it is only for Thais. Exceptionally if you can find a Thai who knows where they are you might just be able to gain entrance. The nudity that was part of the gay Thai gogo bar scene for tourists existed from around the late 1970s until the government mandated a new social order campaign in the early 2000s. Thereafter virtually all the gay gogo bar scene eventually got rid of most of what had been regular nudity. Quote
Keithambrose Posted May 26 Posted May 26 1 hour ago, Rent Boy said: Vinapu kindly provided the answer in the second post. I am not aware of any rule which says people can't wear underwear on stage, or essentially the same clothing they wear on the beach. This doesn't matter when dealing with a mafia extortion racket. About 100metres down the road, you regularly see ladies OUTSIDE their bars in skimpy underwear. But they probably paid the tea money in brown notes. I bet you can find bars with cocks on show and other bars with naked ladies. Agreed. And I won't be paying gogo prices to watch what I can see on the street for free. As I said in an earlier post, the girly go go bar towards the end of Patpong 2, Silom end, has girls in minute bras and G strings, outside in the street. Some quite attractive (!) That is, boyish.... vinapu and Ruthrieston 2 Quote
vinapu Posted May 26 Posted May 26 12 hours ago, jason1975 said: You mean "discourage me from offs from such bar" ? yes, auto corrector is stupid Quote
