Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner just crushed in India right after take off. Again Boeing.

[PeterRS]

11 hours ago, floridarob said:

Maybe they should only be harmed by firing squads, fixed by doctors and then do it multiple times over, killing him, almost, multiple times🤷‍♂️

Or the old English tradition of having a male criminal guilty of treason hung, drawn and quartered. It was incumbent upon the executioners that the hanging part did not kill him. Merely got them nearer to death. Thereafter he had his genitals cut off when alive, disembowelled and then sliced in four. Presumably by then he was dead 😧 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Or the old English tradition of having a male criminal guilty of treason hung, drawn and quartered. It was incumbent upon the executioners that the hanging part did not kill him. Merely got them nearer to death. Thereafter he had his genitals cut off when alive, disembowelled and then sliced in four. Presumably by then he was dead 😧 

and invention of TV ruined all that fun for masses

[unicorn]

16 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

Most of these absurd US sentences are without the ability to ask for a pardon. Unless you donate to the Trump campaign!

 

21 hours ago, vinapu said:

if he will ask for pardon and 3/4 of sentence will be granted it still leaves him with serving life 

I suspect some on this board may not understand how pardons work in the US. There are two broad classes of crimes: federal and state. Federal crimes are ostensibly those in which the federal government has an interest, such as banking crimes, immigration crimes, and crimes which take place on federal property, such as US National Parks. Any crime which occurs over state lines (or national boundaries) will generally be a federal crime, such as what Epstein and Maxwell did, transporting women and girls over state lines. Most run-of-the-mill crimes, such as murder, robbery, rape, and so on, will be state crimes. 

The US President has a pretty much blanket ability to pardon or commute any federal crime. No one, not even Congress or the Supreme Court, can over-rule him. As Trump has discovered, he can even dish out pardons in exchange for cash donations (as far as I know, the first POTUS to do this, though), no matter how blatant or serious the crime. As for state crimes, the situation changes from state to state. In most states, governors have a similar ability to pardon or commute sentences. In some states, such as Texas, these pardons must be OK's by Parole/Pardon Boards, but since he appoints ALL of the members, that's not much of a check. In a small minority of states (nine), the governor has almost no say in pardons or commutations, and such decisions are made entirely by a Board of Paroles and Pardons (Idaho happens to be one of those nine states). 

[unicorn]

In looking up Idaho's process, it seems to be super-tough. It looks as though one can only get a pardon if one has completed one's sentence, if I understand things right. The governor has the power to block the pardon, but cannot issue one. There appears almost no way out for that murderer, since it's impossible for him to complete his sentence.

https://parole.idaho.gov/pardons/pardon-application-information/

"...Those currently incarcerated or being supervised for a felony or misdemeanor conviction do not qualify for a pardon...". 

"...The Governor then has 30-days to grant or deny the pardon request. Any pardon recommendation not so approved within 30 days of the Commission’s recommendation shall be deemed denied...".

[PeterRS]

Pardon after death has always seemed to me almost more cruel than the death itself. Under Turing's law passed by the UK parlliament in 2017, more than 50,000 homosexuals who had died were pardoned after being convicted and imprisoned for being just that under the 1861 Offences Against the Person Act and later the 1885 Ciminal Law Amendment Act. Mind you, for several hundred years prior to that date the 'crime' had been punishable by death.

The most prominent homosexuals pardoned included Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing. Turing, whose code-breaking work in WWII had, it is generally agreed, shortened the war in Europe by nearly two years, opted for suicide after choosing chemical castration rather than go to jail. This rendered him impotent, the government withdrew his security clearance and he was unable to work. The British government has now gone to considerable lengths to 'rehabilitate' him, not only through the name of the new law but by putting his photo on the back of £50 notes.

Yet how can you possibly compensate for the misery and near hell he went through after being arrested? After all he was only arrested because a thief broke into his house and like any ordinary citizen he reported that to the police. It was during routine questioning that he admitted he had had a sexual relationship with the thief. That one simple answer wrapped the long arms of the law around him and effectively ended his life. He was officially - and most unusually - pardoned by the Queen in 2013.