Are We Now Closer To World War III?

[PeterRS]

To some, this will seem a somewhat petty reason to engage in a global conflict. But this involves NATO. All countries that signed up for NATO membership agree on Article 5. This is a core principle of NATO membership and it involves collective defence. It states quite simply

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

At approx. 1:30 pm on 9 September, 19 Russian made kamikaze drones entered Polish airspace after being launched from the Russian Federation. At least four were shot down in Polish territory as a result of which four Polish airports had to  be closed including the main one serving Warsaw. Wreckage of the remaining drones were stewn across the Polish countryside, smashing into homes and damaging cars. The Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has stated -

"This situation brings us the closest we have been to open conflict since World War Two" 

The BBC reported this is the first time Russian drones have been downed over NATO territory since Moscow's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Russia's defence ministry said there had been "no plans" to target facilities on Polish soil. What? No plans? Are their drones so incredibly inefficient that all 19 effectively misfired? Belarus, a close Russian ally, claimed the drones entered Polish airspace accidentally after their navigation systems were jammed.

Poland is to the west of both Ukraine and Belarus. Why Russia would have fired kamikaze drones so close to Polish airspace is not known.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c2enwk1l9e1t

[unicorn]

Well, if Putin is stupid enough to provoke a war with NATO, I would think that even most of his CSTO "partners" would tell him to fuck off, except maybe Belarus. It wouldn't be WW-III. It would be the brief war of NATO versus the country formerly known as the Russian Federation. I think this was probably just more evidence of incompetence on the part of Russia's military. But if Putin really intends to bring it on, he's cooked. I couldn't wait to see his ass finally arrested. 

[Moses]

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

At approx. 1:30 pm on 9 September, 19 Russian made kamikaze drones entered Polish airspace after being launched from the Russian Federation. At least four were shot down in Polish territory as a result of which four Polish airports had to  be closed including the main one serving Warsaw. Wreckage of the remaining drones were stewn across the Polish countryside, smashing into homes and damaging cars.

"Highly likely" Russian.

In 2022 Poland already whined about "Russian" in hysteria, when two farmers were killed. Lately they found what it was Ukrainian.

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

into homes

home... one...

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

so close to Polish airspace is not known.

because close to the border are located bases of western weaponry supply and repair... week ago there was destroyed by hypersonic weapon American manufacturing plant, which made controllers for drones...

 

[PeterRS]

@Moses once again with his his customary blah, bah blah when it comes to Central Europe and the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine. Not worth the time to respond.

In any case, @Moses has his own Board which has very few posters and even fewer subjects for discussion. Why does he not post there instead of boring readers here with his Russian propaganda?

[floridarob]

You 2 should get married...

[Moses]

3 hours ago, floridarob said:

You 2 should get married...

No, thanks. He is boring.

5 hours ago, PeterRS said:

In any case, @Moses has his own Board which has very few posters and even fewer subjects for discussion. Why does he not post there instead of boring readers here with his Russian propaganda?

Maybe because I do not allow politic on my forum?

PeterPS is so desperate for attention that it ignores the forum rules and posts political topics in this section in order to get attention.

[Moses]

Back to topic:

After emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, 46 countries out of 193 signed a statement that Russia was involved in the penetration of drones into Polish airspace.

As we can see, Poland has no evidence of the Russian origin of the drones, otherwise this evidence would have been presented at the meeting.

That is why only 1/4 of the countries that supported the statement for political reasons believed Poland.

Full video of meeting https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1y/k1ynx4wy8z

The substantive part opens with the words of the UN Deputy Secretary: "We are discussing publicly available information, the UN cannot verify or confirm" (read: apart from Poland's words, we have no evidence),

[khaolakguy]

8 hours ago, Moses said:

Maybe because I do not allow politic on my forum?

 

That's not true. Last time I looked there was a 200 page thread on the war in Ukraine with all the attendant politics. As I recall the week before the invasion you stated that Russia would not invade!

[unicorn]

9 hours ago, Moses said:

Back to topic:

After emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, 46 countries out of 193 signed a statement that Russia was involved in the penetration of drones into Polish airspace.

As we can see, Poland has no evidence of the Russian origin of the drones, otherwise this evidence would have been presented at the meeting.

That is why only 1/4 of the countries that supported the statement for political reasons believed Poland.

Full video of meeting https://webtv.un.org/en/asset/k1y/k1ynx4wy8z

The substantive part opens with the words of the UN Deputy Secretary: "We are discussing publicly available information, the UN cannot verify or confirm" (read: apart from Poland's words, we have no evidence),

This forum's liar-in-chief is at it again. Obviously, no one's going to go through a 2-hour video of the security council meeting, and he knows that. We don't have to, however, since we all know that the security council has 15 members, not 193. If one simply asks google what happened at the meeting, one gets the obvious answer: there was no vote (since, as a veto-wielding member of the security council, a vote condemning Russia was clearly impossible). And Moses is caught lying again, once again pulling up links which don't back up his claims at all:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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While the UN Security Council held an emergency meeting on September 12, 2025, to discuss a recent incursion of Russian drones into Polish airspace, no binding vote or resolution was passed

. The meeting was a venue for Poland and its allies to condemn Russia's actions and for Russia to deny responsibility, but it did not result in formal UN action. 

The incident and the UN meeting

• Drone incursion: On the night of September 9–10, 2025, 19 Russian drones violated Polish airspace during an attack on Ukraine. NATO fighter jets scrambled and shot down some of the drones, marking the first time a NATO member directly engaged Russian aircraft over its own territory during the conflict.
• Poland's reaction: Poland requested an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, describing the incident as an "unprecedented" violation of its territorial integrity and a major escalation by Russia. Polish officials called it a "large-scale provocation" and said the incident brought the region closer to open conflict than at any time since World War II.
• The UN meeting: During the emergency session, Poland and its allies, including the United States, condemned Russia's actions. The US acting ambassador reaffirmed America's commitment to defending NATO allies. Russia, however, denied deliberately targeting Poland and dismissed the accusations as baseless.
• Lack of a vote: Due to Russia's veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council, a binding resolution condemning its actions was not feasible. Therefore, the meeting was a forum for debate and condemnation rather than a voting session. 

[unicorn]

Interesting video discussing relative safe areas to ride out any WW-3. People are already speculating! Some analysts in today's Los Angeles Times thought that perhaps this was intentional, with Putin testing NATO's resolve. Trump tends to be belligerent and unpredictable. Who knows what he'll do? I suspect Putin thinks he can control Trump, but that will prove more difficult with dementia creeping in. While I'd love to live in Chile, unfortunately the US is not a Mercosur country, so no such option. I suppose that as a US citizen, the Republic of Palau or American Samoa should be pretty safe. 

 

 

[Moses]

5 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

That's not true. Last time I looked there was a 200 page thread on the war in Ukraine with all the attendant politics.

Thread with these "200 pages" is locked more than 1 year ago.

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?22626-The-Brink-of-War/page288.