Are We Now Closer To World War III?

[vinapu]

2 minutes ago, Moses said:

 

In EU Orwell is celebrating his "1984" masterpiece.

I wonder if you believe in what you just said. Honestly

[Moses]

16 minutes ago, vinapu said:

I wonder if you believe in what you just said. Honestly

Look at facts:

"War is a peace" (O., 1984) - EU created fund for to supply UA with weapon and ammunition and named it "Peace fund".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Peace_Facility

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Borrell said that the Council agreed to "finance the provision to the Ukrainian Armed Forces of 155 mm caliber artillery rounds and, if requested, missiles which will be jointly procured by EU member states from the European defence industry." This agreement brought the total Ukraine military support under the EPF to €5.6 billion.

Doublethinking - call own regime as democracy with freedom of the speech and at the same time implementing censorship and arresting people (like in UK) for posts and likes in Twitter and Facebook.

How censorship is working here: they maintain list of forbidden pages (mostly related with drugs, explosive making and with methods of suicide), after Feb 2022 they implementing restriction on some Ukrainian and EU sites, but the directly call it censorship for the time of military operation.

Maintained list is published officially. Anyone may use VPN and using VPN isn't forbidden here.

At least Russia is honest and names things by real names, while in EU and UK is going non-stop Orwell festival.

[floridarob]

32 minutes ago, Moses said:

But here nobody declares it as a freedom and democracy like in EU.

Because it doesn't exist, so how can they claim it?

[floridarob]

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[Moses]

5 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Because it doesn't exist, so how can they claim it?

Exactly. I many times already wrote here, on forum, what there is no freedom of speech in Russia and exists problems in courts, where prevailing  accusatory bias, primarily because the defense is provided by cheap and free lawyers from the state.

But now I'm talking about the hypocrisy and pretense of European authorities pretending that democracy is thriving in the EU...

Well, yes, "democracy" in a region where half the countries are monarchies, where there are criminal codes for insulting someone whose privileges are simply inherited... It's ridiculous.

[khaolakguy]

2 hours ago, Moses said:

Well, yes, "democracy" in a region where half the countries are monarchies, where there are criminal codes for insulting someone whose privileges are simply inherited... It's ridiculous.

What drivel you write.

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Most of the monarchies in Europe are constitutional monarchies, which means that the monarch does not influence the politics of the state: either the monarch is legally prohibited from doing so, or the monarch does not utilize the political powers vested in the office by convention. The exceptions are Liechtenstein and Monaco, which are usually considered semi-constitutional

Ooh er and Lichtenstein and Monaco are soooo powerful! 555

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe

[unicorn]

 

[Moses]

43 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

Most of the monarchies in Europe are constitutional monarchies

So what? Criminal code is criminal code. Even if monarch is puppet or even clown like in UK. 

For example in 2011 in Denmark few Greenpeace activists were punished by such lese majeste article (§267 of the Danish penal code).

Articles 490 and 491 of the Spanish criminal code govern "insults to the Crown". In 2020 12 individuals were punished.

 

[khaolakguy]

17 minutes ago, Moses said:

So what? Criminal code is criminal code. Even if monarch is puppet or even clown like in UK. 

 

Whereas in Russia it's not just a monarch but a criminal code was enacted during Putin's reign protecting the President and any other state or government officials against disrespectful comments.

Hmm, not sure why you are trying to demonstrate that black is white, or any other colour.

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In March 2019, the Russian Federal Assembly passed a law criminalising publication of online statements that are found "indecent" or "disrespectful" towards the President of Russia or other state and government officials

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse-majesté

[Moses]

I'm generally amazed by Europeans (citizens) – before their very eyes, old lady bin Leyen and her puppet Kallas are beating the drums of war and threatening us with the Russian bear, with the goal of concentrating as much power and the former sovereignty of EU countries in their own hands as possible.

Under this military march, unelected bureaucrats at the top of the EU are collecting hundreds of billions of euros from countries (and their citizens) – they're already approaching a trillion.

And all this is being done under the scare tactic of "Putin will attack." And to make this lie believable, the news is fueling rumors and panic about "Russian drones" and "Russian MiGs," without providing a shred of evidence in either case.

[khaolakguy]

But didn't you say that Russia would never invade Ukraine. So believe you or believe the leaders of the EU. That's not a difficult call!

[Moses]

7 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

Whereas in Russia it's not just a monarch but a criminal code was enacted during Putin's reign protecting the President and any other state or government officials against disrespectful comments.

Correct. But "state official" means any state person at time of state work - policeman, manager of state school, state caretaker for old people. And that article exists since 1991 - came to Russian criminal code from Soviet criminal code.

And not just "disrespect comment" but comment should be linked to state position and state job.: you can blame policeman for his dirty car, but can't blame for his job in comments, you should use official channels to complain.

Here is no laws specially "for president" like in Germany or Italy.

[Moses]

14 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

But didn't you say that Russia would never invade Ukraine.

Nope. I didn't. Look careful that tread in SGT. I gave URL above. Could you please find there "Russia would never invade Ukraine"? 

By the way in Jan 2022 Zelenskiy told the same https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60174684

"Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has called on the West not to create panic"

[khaolakguy]

On 31^st January 2022 when asked “are you saying Putin will not invade the parts of Ukraine that he's not already invaded ?”

 You replied “Exactly”

 On 19^th February you wrote: “I still think what Russian army will not cross border”. 

On 23^rd February when asked whether you thought Russia would invade you wrote:

Russia will allow local private military companies to sort it out. "Vagner" will do all dirty job, while Putin will keep distance and say "there are no our regular army".

The next day the full Russian army invaded! 

Apparently the Western reports of a potential Russian invasion were, according to you at the time, all lies to mislead the western public. You still seem to be using the same playbook in the face of all the additional and current Russian provocations across the EU. 

 It’s all an inversion of the story of the boy who called wolf. 

 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/21/german-jets-scrambled-after-russian-military-plane-flies-over-baltic-sea

[Moses]

25 minutes ago, khaolakguy said:

You replied “Exactly”

I know it. But why you add there word "never"? Every my post was in line with current situation on a hour when it was posted.

[vinapu]

8 hours ago, Moses said:

 

At least Russia is honest and names things by real names,

like calling war ' special military operation " , thanks for good laugh

8 hours ago, Moses said:

while in EU and UK is going non-stop Orwell festival.

thanks God for that, it looks 1984 was not a bad year after all

[PeterRS]

11 hours ago, Moses said:

The same. Some sites are restricted to visit. But here nobody declares it as a freedom and democracy like in EU.

In EU Orwell is celebrating his "1984" masterpiece.

Ha! Orwell died in 1950!

Interestingly he had been posted to Burma following school in England. He loathed what Britain had done to Burmese society. In fact, Putin has probably picked up a few tips from "1984" which in part draws on Orwell's experience of Burma. He writes "“Power is tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”  

[PeterRS]

8 hours ago, unicorn said:

 

I just LOVE that vdo!

[Moses]

6 hours ago, vinapu said:

like calling war ' special military operation " , thanks for good laugh

Correct. He can't call it war due legal limitation: for to call it "war" he should declare "war state", but he has no legal reason for it. 

By the way: Ukraine declared martial law in 2022, but still not declared "state of war".

[KeepItReal]

7 hours ago, Moses said:

Correct. He can't call it war due legal limitation: for to call it "war" he should declare "war state", but he has no legal reason for it. 

By the way: Ukraine declared martial law in 2022, but still not declared "state of war".

Of course Ukraine has not declared war - they are not that stupid. If they do, Vlad the Vigilante would paint them as the aggressors even though he is the one committing armed robbery by taking what doesn't belong to him through violence. 

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Ha! 

 

I assume he is still dead ?

[10tazione]

20 hours ago, Moses said:

I know it. But why you add there word "never"? Every my post was in line with current situation on a hour when it was posted.

When people run out of arguments, they start nitpicking words

[unicorn]

This dude believes Poland could beat back the Russian army by itself (though obviously it would never be alone in fighting the Russian bear):

 

 

[vinapu]

last thing both countries need is the war

[PeterRS]

43 minutes ago, vinapu said:

last thing both countries need is the war

Wasn't that what the leaders of Britain and Germany said in 1938? "Peace for Our Time" and all that? And we know one was lying big time!