PeterRS Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 16 hours ago, vinapu said: That the problem for their next clients. Why? Why is there always someone who moans about tips being too high (however good or bad the service) for the only reason that it queers the pitch for those who follow? A tip is a tip. In my many years of bar hopping and offing, I gave tips which were in line with the service I received, not what others suggested. The guys who gave great service and went beyond what I expected (most of them) would always get more. I never knew about average tips but always had in my mind what I would give for a good time. The only time I had any issue was with a boy from the old Screwboys Bar who, having been given quite a generous tip for lousy service, asked for more! He was out the door quite quickly! Would those who complain suggest to bars that there is a tip sheet with maximum tips obvious to all patrons? Impossible! (Sorry @vinapu as I am sure you are always fair. But there are equally degrees of fairness. A guy with lots of cash to spend is likely to pay considerably more in a tip whatever anyone suggests to him whereas those on far more modest incomes give less. That's the way of the world!) Quote
12is12 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago PeterRS, the point in this case isn't the "too high tip" or "good or bad service". It's the actual paying a guy who promises and totally doesn't deliver. The result isn't that "those who follow" will b expected to pay more. It's that the guy and others will continue to cheat. mauRICE 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 14 minutes ago, 12is12 said: PeterRS, the point in this case isn't the "too high tip" or "good or bad service". It's the actual paying a guy who promises and totally doesn't deliver. The result isn't that "those who follow" will b expected to pay more. It's that the guy and others will continue to cheat. If a straight boy does not deliver what has actually been greed, the appropriate course of action is to return and complain to the mamasan. Withhold a tip if warranted. But the problem in my limited experience is that hardly any customers bother returning to the bar and just chalk problems like this down to experience. In any event, there is presumably little proof re what he was asked and what he said he would do. So if the boy earns cash for the bar, there is little a mamasan is likely to do. The issue often seems to be one of communication - lack of clear communication. I know this is very difficult and perhaps feels awkward for newcomers. But two issues that could have been added to the list of what the customer wanted was no smoking and no phone until after sex. Very difficult to enforce, especially with straight boys who probably need some straight porn to get in some kind of mood to go with a gay guy. It would also be my word against his. Although I no longer attend bars in Thailand, were I to do so and in the unlikely event I wished to take out a straight guy, based on what I have read in recent years in this forum I'd have on my phone pre-prepared lists of what was expected - one in Thai, one in Vietnamese, one in Lao, one in Cambodian and maybe one in Burmese. These can be done before arrival in the country. That's a big hassle to prepare I know - but what do you want? What you ask for or what happened to the unfortunate poster above? I would have the boy agree this and show it to the mamasan. It's obviously no guarantee, but it surely avoids a good part of the issue of communication difficulties. Quote
xpaulo Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, hank75 said: I’d yell too, Some people get so focused on an imagined grievance they lose all good sense. Quote
