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[PeterRS]

38 minutes ago, daydreamer said:

I think the Andrew Drummond reference that @thaiophilus mentioned suggests it was about a certain famous bar in Pattaya.

I am sure thee are several instances of bar owners committing suicide, sadly. Can you recall the name of the bar? And the owner? I can find nothing on the internet, whereas i know Andrew Drummond wrote about the Lanna Lavender disaster which also took place in 2009/2010.

[daydreamer]

I remember the Lavender Lanna tragedy in Chiang Mai, but the reference to Andrew Drummond is about a different incident, that Andrew Drummond, a British journalist, published in 2010.  There was no suicide involved in this case.

Due to libel laws, I will say no more.  I am only providing links to articles that are found on the internet,  available to anyone.

https://www.andrew-drummond.news/lock-stock-and-two-smoking-boyz-judgmen/

https://www.tomminogue.com/tom/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Lock-Stock-And-Two-Smoking-Boyz-The-Judgment.pdf

 

[Patanawet]

8 hours ago, thaiophilus said:

Way back in 2010 Andrew Drummond (journalist who used to cover the sleazy side of LoS, for those who don't know) had a story about a different establishment where one of the partners died in mysterious circumstances shortly after investing a lot of capital.  I wonder if that's a mutation of the same story? I won't reference it here but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

I think that is confusing between Pattaya Boyztown and Silom Soi 4.

[khaolakguy]

5 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I am sure thee are several instances of bar owners committing suicide, sadly. Can you recall the name of the bar? And the owner? I can find nothing on the internet, whereas i know Andrew Drummond wrote about the Lanna Lavender disaster which also took place in 2009/2010.

The case became known as Lock Stock and Two Smoking Boyz. The facts of the unfortunate incidents regarding the partners with a share of Ambiance/Boyz Boyz Boyz were  reported by Andrew Drummond, who was then sued by the remaining partners in the Thai Courts. On appeal Andrew was found to have been reporting accurately and factually.

In his follow up, linked below, Andrew wrote:

 

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When writing the story I was aware, as a journalist, of what I could say and could not say. (In press in the UK I

could be more specific because truth Is the ultimate defence and there would be no pressure on Witnesses) At no

time did I claim of course In Thailand that Lumsden was a murderer or specifically a thief. My main witnesses would

literally have been either in jail, already dead, or too scared· but I did point out a series of actions leading up to

and following first the death of lain MacDonald and secondly the arrest of Kevin Quill. Both men had invested

heavily In Gordon May and Lumsden's businesses.

I was also given a fairly full account of what went on in the Ambiance Hotel the night lain Macdonald died. The

witnesses however refused to sign statements and would clearly not go to court.

 https://www.tomminogue.com/tom/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Lock-Stock-And-Two-Smoking-Boyz-The-Judgment.pdf

[khaolakguy]

Apologies to Daydreamer as I see that you had already posted the relevant links.

[thaiophilus]

16 hours ago, daydreamer said:

I think the Andrew Drummond reference that @thaiophilus mentioned suggests it was about a certain famous bar in Pattaya.

Correct.