One View On How The US War With Iran Will End?

[unicorn]

13 minutes ago, vinapu said:

not to mention certain Adolf H. in that small country between Demark and Switzerland

As you may know, AH didn't actually win that election. But, yes, Trump does try to play by his rulebook. 

[vinapu]

2 minutes ago, unicorn said:

As you may know, AH didn't actually win that election. But, yes, Trump does try to play by his rulebook. 

Technically you are right but that the way of thinking of people used to "first past the post " kind of elections  you are used to.

In countries with proportional representation , quite often there's no winner  in that sense , winner is one who eventually get the top job.

I was referring to that statement by Peter :

 "PS: I doubt if the Iranians hold much faith in free and fair elections. They will have noted that such a process elected Trump and Netanyahu! "

Hindenburg giving him ( Adolf, not Peter ) Reichkanzler's job was acting by the book, as we learned later , bad book but still book.

[Keithambrose]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Technically you are right but that the way of thinking of people used to "first past the post " kind of elections  you are used to.

In countries with proportional representation , quite often there's no winner  in that sense , winner is one who eventually get the top job.

I was referring to that statement by Peter :

 "PS: I doubt if the Iranians hold much faith in free and fair elections. They will have noted that such a process elected Trump and Netanyahu! "

Hindenburg giving him ( Adolf, not Peter ) Reichkanzler's job was acting by the book, as we learned later , bad book but still book.

And bad news for Poland!(and others)

[PeterRS]

2 hours ago, unicorn said:

As you may know, AH didn't actually win that election.

Yet at the time he was awarded the top job both legally and constitutionally. I have written above how Iran has had no free and fair elections since the ouster of Mosaddegh in 1953 by the Americans and British. Since you have brought up Hitler, it is perhaps wise to recall that without the punishing reparations that totally crippled Germany at the Versailles Treaty, the groundswell which enabled AH to rise to power in the 1920s might well have shifted against him. Speculation, I agree. But when peoples had to take cash in wheelbarrows to pay for a loaf of bread, any lifeline out of such degradation can seem almost a miracle. And that holds good for Iran. We are told that having got rid of many of the leaders of the old regime, the Israelis and their allies the USA have ended up with an even more hard line lot. True or not, I do not know, but I believe that the more the USA tries to punish Iran, the more the people will hate that country.

When will the USA realise that influencing the rest of the world with wars and interfering in other coutries' politics is just not in their best interests? Since 1945 the USA has lost almost every war it entered in a developing country. As former US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates states frankly in his 2014 memoir Duty: "the US is good at overthrowing governments but has no idea what to do when it comes to their replacements". Sending J D Vance into Hungary to support the despised Victor Orban was probably the final nail in his coffin as his oppponent won an astonishing two thirds majority.

Trump and his merry band of yes-men cohorts should first sort out the sometimes horrible problems in their own country before interfering with others.

[PeterRS]

11 hours ago, zoomomancs said:

Most of you will know this but not everyone: people in Laos are still killed and maimed today by unexploded bombs dropped by the U.S. during the Vietnam War (1964–1973). Over 80 million cluster bomblets failed to explode. While annual casualties have dropped from 200–300 in the 1990s to around 50 today, many victims are children who mistake the small, toy-like cluster submunitions for playthings.

A very good and pertinent point in this discussion. To add to it: the war in Laos was a covert CIA operation that never had congressional approval. It was a secret war. Almost unbelievably, for an average of 9 entire years the USA dropped one planeload of bombs over Laos every 8 minutes. Think about that for a moment and take it in. This tiny landlocked third world country had more bombs dropped on it than the entire number dropped on Germany AND Japan combined during WWII. And the USA still refuses to pay for the destruction of the roughly one third of these cluster bombs that failed to explode, ordinance that has already killed 20,000 Lao people since the end of the undeclared war - mostly children as @zoomomancs points out. At the present rate it will take 100 more years to clear the country of this horrendous debacle.

https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/p0fjwcjy

https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/p0fjwcjy

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

And bad news for Poland!(and others)

I'd say first bad for Germans themselves as saviour tuned total destructor in mere 12 years of 1000 Years Reich