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No, I am not upset, far from it. just attempting to add humor to some of the replies to this and other posts. My friends got a good laugh from my last post, and I hope others did as well. Additionally, it is an attempt to inform others to look over the comments of those who try to diminish the valuable information this site has and is providing for many. After 14 years of visiting Thailand, I really enjoy this and other sites related to gay traveling.

Now I know why most fairy tales begin with "once upon a time". So people will know that it is a fairy tale and nothing more or nothing less, just a story to be enjoyed and not analyzed to death. With that said, my next report will begin with "THIS IS A REPORT". For those of you who simply can not resist analyzing, dissecting, reading more or less than what was intended, here is my next report: today the sun is shining. Have fun with the report!

I have not see a report on this spa so I decided to submit one. The Montara Massage Spa is located on Silom Soi 6 in BKK. The place is beautifully decorated with the body massage rooms located on the 3rd, 4th and 5th floors. Some rooms have a massage mat on the floor, and the other rooms have the raised massage bed with a shower in the room. The walls between the rooms do not go from the floor to the ceiling. They go about 3/4 of the way up, so you can hear the noise of the people next door, and they can hear you. You select the massage guy or girl, yes a few girls work there, from the receptionist's tablet. The guy I selected came into the entry parlor and asked me to follow him. He did not greet me nor even smile. I mentioned this to the receptionist and he said: "maybe he will be nice in the room". WRONG. When we entered the room, the guy asked me to shower and he left the room before I took off my clothes. A few minutes after I showered and dried myself, the guy re-entered the room. He was fully clothed. I asked him to take a shower and he said "no shower". Throughout the entire massage, he kept his clothes on. Twice I asked him to remove his clothes and he said no. I reached out and touched his leg and he stepped back. After finishing the massage he indicated for me to shower and left the room. While I was showering he came in and cleaned the room. No "happy ending" here, only a polite smile. Oh, you pay for the massage in advance. After the massage, the guy waited outside the building for his tip. The place is beautifully decorated and very clean. The receptionist was very polite and the massage was o.k, but I will not be going there again.

"And really, taking advantage of someone who is perceived as rich and clueless hardly qualifies as racism anyway." Indeed a very profound and truthful statement, Alexx.

There is no comparison between racism/racial discrimination and economic exploitation. I am appalled that anyone would even try to equate the two topics. A. Lincoln, Mandela, and others are turning over in their graves at the thought. The guy from Australia who wrote "just shut up", please, the world knows about Australia's racial history. "just shut up", tell this to the millions who where killed because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or sexual orientation, or disease such as AIDS, etc. etc. How sad that you are so insensitive, especially as a gay person. I fell sorry for you.

Around 11:00 pm Tuesday night I went to the new Fusion, located in the Wall Street building basement. I was the only customer at that time, no go-go dancers, and several workers urging me to sit down and order a drink by promising everything but the moon. With the music too loud to adequately talk to anyone, I managed to break free from several people holding my arms, hands and anything they could touch as they tried to get me to remain inside the club. Finally back outside in the not so loud hallway, I asked an older fellow dressed in a black suit if there would be dancers and a show tonight? Of course he claimed not to understand my question and asked me to go back inside; two can play this "I do not understand" game. I pointed to the go-go boys and the word "show" with times displayed on the posters. He said no not tonight but the club just opened and they are still working on things. WOW, his English suddenly improved. I thanked him and politely left. Maybe in the future the club will have what they are advertising - good luck to them.

WOW! Thanks to all of you for your down to earth and eye opening replies. Members of the opposite race, seldom see these things unless someone points it out to them or via other forms of communications. I printed out your comments and showed them to my buddy. Neither one of us realized that racism in Thailand is as wide spread and as open as it is. Yes, I have seen the people walking under umbrellas on hot sunny days but I thought that was to stay cool as oppose to getting darker. Life is interesting. In certain parts of the world people flock to bast in the sun because a good tan is a sign of wealth and leisure, yet here in Asia certain groups of people avoid the sun. At the hotel, on sunny days the swimming pool area is packed with non-Asians, and the Asians are at the pool at night or when the weather is cloudy. Thanks to all of you, I now understand why. Like many of you have written, the best sexual encounters I have had, have been with guys from Isan. I always wondered why the guys refer to themselves as "Isan" and never refer to themselves as Thai. Now I have a better understanding of the situation. Again, thanks to all of you for you open and enlightening comments.

A Black-American buddy told me about the racial discrimination he was experiencing here, especially getting a motor-taxi. I somewhat questioned this until I actually saw it happen. After the clubs closed, I walked with him to Soi Convent. When we approached the motor-taxi area, I lingered behind. To my disbelief and shock, 3 motor-taxi drivers refused to give him a ride! They pointed to the tut-tuts and taxi cabs. He slowly walked off and I approached the area and asked to be taken to the same hotel. Without hesitation I was motioned to get on the motorcycle. When I called to my buddy, the drivers said no and turned their backs to me. My buddy is a bit younger and much smaller in size than I am, so go figure. This happened on two different nights. At three clubs on Soi Twilight, there was a difference in the way we were treated. We entered the clubs separately and sat near each other. Just as he had related to me, every customer in the clubs received more attention from the boys and the entire staff than he did. He even generously tipped the dancers and bought a few drinks for them and himself. I tipped no one and bought only one drink for myself, yet I received a lot more attention from the staff and more boys flirted with me than him. This really blew me away. What the F___ is this all about? I just couldn't believe this was happening in Thailand. In many countries this type of behavior, blatant discrimination, would be unacceptable, if not against the law. Perhaps Thailand does not have laws against racial discrimination. To say the least, I feel bad for my buddy. He is counting the days until he leaves Thailand, and said he will never accept an assignment for Asia again. I can somewhat understand his feelings. I never thought something like this would happen in Thailand. Shame-shame for Thailand.

Firecat, I am curious about your bad experiences with the offs from Jupiter. Did you ever post the information? A funny story about my last visit to Jupiter. I chatted with 5 Chinese sitting next to me. The 3 guys are quite handsome, and I said I wanted to go to China to meet more handsome men like them. They laughed and said they (and the Chinese) have small dicks. They love Thailand because the boys have very big dicks. I could not believe my ears! To make a long story short, one guy and I went outside where I showed him photos, on my cell phone, of guys I have been with in Cuba and Brazil. He was astonished. He asked another guy and one of the girls to come look at my photos and videos. They copied a few photos and my email address because now they want to go to South America. But can you imagine thinking that Thailand guys have very big dicks? Life is so interesting! Just a funny story to share.

Fat Richard, I smiled when I read your comment "run off to Cambodia or South America where such exotic offerings are still available at a cheaper price". When was the last time you visited Argentina, Brazil, or Columbia? If not within the last few years, you will be amazed at how expensive those places are. The hotel prices alone are well over $250 a night, and not a 4 or 5 star hotel, and the boys, wow! But prices are increasing the world over, a fact of life. Thank goodness we can say "during the good old days" (smile). Now, I travel less frequently, stay for a shorter time and have as much fun as my aging body will allow.

This past weekend I went to Dream Boy in BKK. The drink charge is now 400B, the off fee is 650B, and the minimum fee to the boy is 2,500B. The place was packed on Saturday and Sunday nights, with mainly Asians customers. Sunday night there were a few Caucasians customers and two of them were disgustingly loud and carried on disgracefully. The bar workers politely tried to calm them down, keep them off the stage, and insisted they refrain from taking off their clothes. I was so disgusted and embarrassed by their behavior that I left. I went to three other bars and to my surprise, they were almost empty, except for Jupiter which was partially full; and to think that Dream Boy was full with standing room only. The increased prices is not deterring customer attendance. I do not understand it because at Dream Boy the boys are definitely not that special and nor is the show; nevertheless, the place was packed despite the higher costs. For those who have written that tourism is down in Thailand and the economy is struggling, guess again. The prices of a lot of things have gone up, except the street food vendors where the Thai people eat - go figure (smile).

Two nights ago I was at a club in BKK that I visit frequently. As the show began 5 Chinese couples came in and were seated on the vacant front row. Immediately the Chinese females started yelling and screaming at the guys on stage, whereas the Chinese men sat calmly with folded arms. During the nude shows, the females gave generously 100$B to the nude dancers. As you can imagine, the guys danced exclusively in front of the Chinese as the females loudly cheered and threw out money. Almost ALL OF THE CLUB WORKERS AND MOST OF THE BOYS started standing around and catering to the Chinese. The nude shows lasted longer than usual, at the encouragement of the head mamasan, because the money and drinks continued to generously flow. Two unrehearsed nude shows were spontaneous added to the venue. The boys literally got on stage, started dancing around, removing their shorts, and stroking their meat to get it hard. The mamasan was going around talking to the boys and directing them to the stage. All the while, the Chinese females kept jumping up and down, screaming as they played with the boys dicks and tossing out money. Everyone seemed happy. When the Chinese couples left, things returned to normal. The boys had more money, the club made A LOT OF money and again, everyone appeared to be happy. As I watched the Chinese females carry-on, I thought: if this event was captured on video and shown in China, the girls would probably be disgraced. On the other hand, so would a lot of other guys because of their behavior at various clubs (ha-ha). Generally though, when people travel they let their hair down and do things they normally do not do at home, but that is another topic of discussion. This report is related to money and the Chinese female customers, and just a report - nothing more, nothing less.

There is an old American expression: "Money talks and bullshit walks." It appears that this is true universally, especially in Thailand. People in business are there to make money and their loyalty is to the almighty currency. Like some customers, I get annoyed when I see a flow of females invade an establishment which caters to gays. So, I just pay my bill and leave. In BKK going someplace else which is void of females is getting more difficult day by day. Such is life.

We all have opinions, so opinions aside, does anyone know EXACTLY if one has to pay the drink charge if you enter the bar/club to off someone without consuming a drink? Yes, one can go in, look around and walk out without buying a drink or paying. However, having been to a place before and knowing exactly who you want to off, you return, tell them you want to off number whatever, you do not sit down, you do not drink, you pay the off fee and you are there for less than 5 minutes. In other words, is the posted drink fee an actual drink fee or a required ENTRY FEE to off someone?

A lot of comments, but no information. Any names of bars/clubs in Bangkok?

Trust me Alex, after ONE EXPERIENCE, I do not go to that spa again. Great suggestion Christian! Whereas the guy's telephone number is not posted with his photo on the spa's site, I call the spa and ask to speak to the guy; works like a charm! As the old expression goes: "there is more than one way to skin a cat". Again, thanks Christian, great suggestion.

A few years ago several go-go clubs I went to had guys dancing barefooted; erotic and great for those with a foot fetish. On this trip in Bangkok I have not seen that. Has anyone been to any bars recently (within the past few months) where the dancers are shoeless?

My aunt asked me to think about this: "what would he or she do if you were not there? How did they survive all of these years without you? If you are always filling up their bucket, why should they put anything in it?" I did think about this and still do. During my last visit to the massage spa, the guy told me that he really likes me because I am different, and could I buy the new I-phone for him? I told him I really like him and can we have free sex? He laughed saying: "free sex! No No, need money." I laughed and said: "free Iphone, no no, I need money. He said: "you have money". I paid him and said:"you have money." We both smiled.

I just finished reading all of this information, wow. Question: how many old out of shape Thai men do you see with young thin Thai boyfriends, or have them as live in lovers? In your own country, how many old men do you see with lovers 20, 30, 40 or 50 years younger than them? How many POOR old men do you see with a much younger lover? Also, remember this, a rose has a lot more thorns on it than a beautiful blooming bud. Enjoy the beauty of the rose, but be careful how you touch or hold it or you will get stuck/hurt.

So true, making a reservation for a specific guy over the telephone is a waste of time. Without exception, the guy I made a reservation for was not available when I arrived at the spa. And each time the receptionist said he did not understand what I was requesting; HOWEVER, this or that guy is available, take him. ARE WE THAT STUPID OR DESPERATE? Before everyone gets upset with what I have written, think about it. If this has not worked in the past, they would not still be doing it. How often do people actually buy things that they did not order or want? Can you imagine going to a restaurant, ordering a steak dinner only to be served a chicken dinner with the excuse that "I did not understand what you ordered"? Seriously, would you accept the chicken dinner and pay the steak dinner price? Again, obviously this system is working for the spas otherwise they would not still be doing it.

By the way, can you suggest any other "soapies" locations?

Thank you for the information and map. It was very helpful. That evening I went to JC. When I entered, I saw several girls behind a glass wall and an older lady rapidly approached me, asking for me to sit down and take a look. I did not sit. I inquired about a message from a guy. Quickly and yet politely she escorted me to the door and pointed out a "gay" massage place a block away. I smiled and quietly left. By the way, the gay massage place was terrible; such is life. Several years ago I had a "soapie" experience at a gay massage place in Pattaya. I do not remember the name of the place. It was located quite aways from the other gay establishments, and the boys sat/stood on stage in their street clothes. I thoroughly enjoyed the soapie experience; a lot more than an oil rub down - smile. Maybe one day.......

Where specifically is JC Infinity located? I was in the area but could not find the place and no one knew of it.

In the Pattaya area, any recommendations or suggestions for hotels located directly on the beach; rooms with a balcony over looking the beach,

Nice report. Do you remember the guy's name?