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hopefully from time to time some generous prince appears and will lavish , say, newest IPhone on lucky boy. Rarely but it does happen.

all true , all good as long as boy is compensated fairly, not cheaply, fairly. always in my mind will stay situation from BBB where my intended boy was kept by lady customer as drinking companion for whole evening an at end of that session was tipped princely 100 baht (one hundred ). But I guess those situations are levelling of with excessively generous customers. The same boy showed me another night his semi- permanent customer, Malaysian ship captain, who pays him 3000 or 4000 just for in-the -room drinking session, both dressed.

very good points. No doubt shops not informing people about minimum tips are doing disservice to both their guys and clients. We may assume that most tourists are doing their part about learning customs of host country but it's hard from universal in my opinion. Specially in this age when every information seems to be at fingertips, people are neglecting to do their homework about their destination , not only sex industry related. A lot of tourists may be knowingly playing stupid , claiming they assumed that 500 massage fee includes everything , boys compensation included, thus declining further tip and even pretending to be offended that tip was required but I'm sure there will be those from non-tipping culture which sincerely assume price is all in , just like in Japan. And in more expensive places like Jey , Senso , Prince , VCK or Glam with massage fees in excess of 1000 they may be partially absolved. So I agree , shops and boys should be doing better job informing clinets about their obligations and tipping practices. ................... good to know that boys are more assertive in their own , well understood interest. When I contacted Grindr guy in May about coming to my room , his first question was " will you give me money?"

beauty is in the eye of beholder. new arrival from place far from any sea may consider Pattaya beaches top notch

you will be , aim for Nov 4th. It looks you can do it also in the airport upon arrival, at least it was a case in Phnom Penh in August I was told but I had my thing done already

+1 same same here, 1000/1hr, 1500/1.5 hrs that my benchmark unless minimum tip is stated higher. If it's lower I still pay my benchmark at least. Even in more upscale places like Jey or Senso , most guys state as their minimum acceptable 1500-2000 for 1.5 hr session

No wonder 'old' in part of your nick. I's all business now and it was all business back in 2001, year of my first trip. Then in bar one met grumbling guys who were saying the same , comparing it to 80-ties Sure , we may have an impression they were more affective then but reason for that is in mirror in comparison to old photos.

and why not if that makes donor/ customer happy and feeling better ? I don't know about laptop and gold chain but know boys who got motorcycle ( not motorbike, mind you ) and another who got new Iphone . Nothing wrong in paying well over market and be generous if one can afford it. I , for one , don't buy BS that such customers are spoiling market for others. Boys know real market conditions and won't be spoiled by such rare experience. On another hand there's crooked ethics of such over-generosity - there are probably more deserving people with more pressing needs than young and strong men who can easily make a living by honest work, and yes by that I mean also prostituting for fair, market rate. I can't agree with you more and at the same time disagree as strongly as I can. As I said above , nothing wrong with being generous , even very generous as definitely we can afford it (otherwise we wouldn't be there) and it's nothing wrong with making other happy. On another hand guys themselves must be first to remember they need to eat , pay the rent , live their lives , etc. Those things are needed to be paid for and it's why boys went for their type of carrier. In order to make money, like every person in business they need to strive to provide acceptable services at competitive price. Skipping on their promised obligations, cutting on time under stupid excuses, asking for money without any effort to provide anything in exchange are not good business practices. After last trip when I encounter that type of behavior almost every second day I'm no longer willing to be bleeding heart for boy's troubles as I suspect lots of them are self inflicted wounds. It's very hard to feel for guy who I treated with generous supper before our LT session and then as early as next evening he is asking me for money claiming he did not eat for two days because he did not have customers. Oops I'd say.

Have fun there and let us know how you are doing from time to time. Bangkok waits for you impatiently

because somebody else's money always generates a lot of heat. My habit is always to ask boy up front how much he wants. If he quotes too low, nothing stops me from giving him few satangs more at end of session. If he quotes high I either bargain down or end discussion politely. But I like to settle financial beforehand. Hate money discussion in the room and mercifully it almost never happens but had few cases when guy agreed on compensation and then tried to extract more under some pretext. Death sentence in my eyes. On another hand we should accept that boys have their own calculation what constitutes good or bad deal for them as they know better their circumstances. Thus not always 700 is exploitation and not always, say 4000 , is greed as he may have in his sight even more generous / naive customer.

only when you purchase that option. Quite often they quote you two prices ' non-refundable " ( final) and with option to cancel up to certain date. Sometimes that option is only few $ more then non-refundable , sometimes price difference is very substantial (Raya comes to mind).

they may instead start charging for their ETA which is free now. Quite possible increased tourist traffic will make up for lost revenue. Or they may increase airport taxes to compensate

that's better

you sure it's LatPhrao 110 , not 101 ? there are some shops there already

Seems in your jeans are giving up then ?

so total 3 or African included in two?

reasons may be many : commission hotel pays to website , different type of room offered, even if of the same kind i.e Agoda offers 'standard;' room with view of pool or the street while Trip may offer the same 'standard' room with cheerful view of garbage containers or wall 2m from the window. Rooms may be on different floor , one site made 2 dozen bookings for hotel since yesterday while other site did not have any luck etc. I think reason why it happens is not that relevant but it pays to know that such differences exist and we can play it to our advantage securing most economical deal. Sometimes one site doesn't offer rooms in given hotel but they may be available on other site. ( my case in Sukhotai last January). Also it pays to check more than once what prices are being offered and if cheaper you can cancel previous deal (if you have that option) and book the same again for say , 15 $ less.

I never cease to be amazed how much money people carry with while about the town and keep it in the bag. One wonders if still there's room in the bag for condom and KY with all those banknotes. I know very well travelled couple whose bag was snatched by thief on motorbike in Phnom Penh and not only they had all money in that bag but also all documents. Yes, for both of them in one bag ! many times in bars I saw customer pulling thick wad of banknotes or fat wallet, just to pull 20 baht tip for boy or waiter from it. Whom they are trying to impress ?

great suggestions, specially Big Buddha Hill and Koh Larn but many can't care less about food while in Pattaya while more meaty type of spending time is available in Pattaya

but at least I stay in the same underwear throughout

floridarob already commented on it. Nothing wrong in being on generous side, I'm of the same religion but 1000 baht for 1 hr massage session is acceptable not only in Pattaya but also in most shops and by most boys in Saphan Kwai area of Bangkok. In May I had Grindr guy Long Time and all he wanted was 1500 , he even asked "is 1500 too much for you ? " Example of cheap, although not necessarily bastard , is Olddaddy who confessed above to offering 700.

Vessey I guess.

good illustration of what I said above, in my 11 +years on the forum I don't recall anybody reporting 4-5 orgasms

when comes to writers , no, quite opposite. Readers sometimes tend to read too much of what it's presented. Example : member ZYX takes 2 boys A and B and reports it was fun. We may assume that he had sex with each boy separately , then both boys with each other and finally sandwich in few configurations or at least variation of the above, while in reality B fucked ZYX while A was watching because ZYX has a kick of having sex with spectator present. He had his fun so there's not even iota of exaggeration or inaccuracy.

I like kissing but it's not deal breaker for me and you may be on something. Very early I noticed reluctance to kiss to I developed habit of asking boys if they kiss but AFTER deal was agreed on and sealed. That way they don't need to lie to get a deal. With most guys, repeat business means inhibitions are softening up , I never press the issue but when moment is right I ask again. Very often there's no answer but just a kiss, sometimes shy and short , at other times quite a hot and long one. Some semi-regulars though are sticking to their principles , even if offered say 200 or even 500 extra if they kiss. Usually just a pretext to give them higher tip anyways. Perhaps one of best memories of this year is kiss planted on unsuspecting me by guy who strictly declined it previously on quite a few occasions and all of the sudden changed his mind saying ' this is my New Year gift for you ". Ever since he is quite accommodating , if only because he knows that I Iiked it.