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Our poster macaroni21 recently published 2 excellent reports / analysis of bars in question plus Jupiter in his blog. Take my advice and rush to read it Three gogo bars in December 2022: their shows – ShamelessMack2 (travel.blog)

In Saphan Kwai, Inthamara , Ari and Suthisam areas there are plenty of shops with Thai only signs so my guess will be they go there. It's pretty common long held wisdom that Thai for Thai sex scene is pretty invisible for foreigners

you must be good interlocutor because over years I noticed that buy are very discreet about their and their clients sex experiences and I like that part. Several guys I offed were offed previously by other men I know and they were aware of it. Never ever that made any comment about that other customer of theirs if they were aware I know him.

Hope you are better already and you will celebrate last two days of your trip in style, Just don't overdo it although 3 boys a day should be Ok, been there , done that

Day 3 We continued having our good time we had in the afternoon well into night with no phone in sight to my great relief. Only in the morning he asked me if I don’t mind , I did not. Tipped him as agreed and it was rewarding to see his happy smile. I used this occasion to steal another kiss accompanied by his shy smile as it’s a bit novelty to him. When I saw him before this trip he was not into kissing at all. Only my charm ( read my tips) converted him at least temporarily. He did not like food at restaurant we had breakfast last time so we took songtaew to KISS on second Road. After that we parted ways and agreed to meet at noon. On my way I ordered taxi in one of booths along the street had last stroll through the sois , packed up and yes , on the dot at noon both taxi and HC showed up. In 2 hours we were at 56 Suriwong hotel. I already described it in thread devoted to it , new place , quite big room with furniture more utilitarian than fancy at perfect location exactly across Patpong 1. Not necessarily my first choice in the area , I like Raya better but all boils down to a price. For lunch I suggested Madrid and HC surprised me after asking how far it is by suggesting we can walk. Certainly he is non standard boy, punctual, likes to walk and to pay for his small purchases like drinks at 7/11. But when returning he suggested tuk-tuk anyways, if was too far after all it seems. Afternoon we spent together in the room as I had other plans for evening so told him up front I will be absent then. At dark I went to Hotmale to talk to paulsf – we both are leaving after tomorrow and reader, had drink with P, one of their new guys I already offed before going to Laos then I went to Moonlight for the show. A , the muscle god came to say hallo and I used this opportunity to secure offing him tomorrow night. It was past midnight when I returned to the room to find HC sleeping deep still in his trousers. My gentle side disappeared somewhere and I undressed him right away, waking him up in the process but he did not complain being aware I don’t pay guys to sleep when I don't.

1500 for massage is still good tip in both Pattaya and Bangkok

Me too. I still have fun in them, yes , I liked previous formula with barely dressed guys better but if I don't have what i like , I like what I have , specially after paying substantial amount of money for airfare not to mention torture of long flights and jet lags. Being fan of hunks I still have Tawan where dress and behavior code is still the same like it was before I'm afraid some of us avoiding bars due to dress issue are depriving themselves a bit of fun but it's their choice, now with apps and communicators easy to stick to.

I like people not wasting a minute of their vacation time

welcome back, l we did not hear from you for a while

with scantily clad girls ? Shame on you , you traitor, LOL

Day 2 Similarly to our last time together nobody was in rush in the morning and it was only 11 am when we decided to part ways, they collected their tips and decided to skip breakfast as it was almost lunch time. It was message from HC ‘ can I see you today?” so I asked him to come at 3 pm and in meantime I went to Paradise Spa for another excellent massage and afters with Wit who was actually quite surprised I’m back. Then went to eat something and returned to my room as it started to rain . As always, HC showed on the dot at appointed 3 p.m. There was no doubt he drew lesson from out last meeting and by his own admission he realized not only his mistake but also financial loss resulting from it. Whatever disagreement we had we cleared it cheerfully and we had very good time together, changed , charming man he become. I upped his ST tip a bit , invited him for tonight again and agreed to take him to Bangkok again for remaining 2 days of my trip. It was quite a bit of charity in that since I knew I will sent him home earlier because I had other plans for my last day but I kept my plans to myself just in case something won’t work on my side. Considering what happened between us 2 weeks ago one may criticize that I rewarded undesirable behavior and would be right. But I had reason to be generous and forgiving based on what I knew , what I heard from him and his behavior today. I’m believer in giving another chance and as I said here few dozen times already my second worst and best off ever was with the same guy two years apart. Or may be I’m just old fool thinking I’m in love and being blinded by that ? After he left I went to DasBerliner for a schnitzel. If biguyby reads this I’m pleased to report they survived covid without scratch and when there I was recalling our diners there . Hope to see you again in Pattaya my friend. Then I parked myself over beer in front of BBB. I was hoping bkkmfj shows tonight again but he lined me he is not feeling well and he wont. I was hoping to catch that another bare chested guy I spotted last night at BBB on his way to work and grab him right away before somebody else does. Plot worked. At one point he was just passing by so I stopped him , invited for drink and over drink learned his nick is Ben. He agreed to accompany me so I paid my tab plus off fee and off we went. He turned not only well built but also well behaved and we had good time indeed till quarter to midnight. Knowing HC is punctual I preferred to have that 15 minutes cushion. And he turned in as expected on the dot .

disappointments will always happen even with boys we are familiar with and offed before, they may have bad hair day or we won't be in the mood which may spoil experience too. But fact that boy doesn't look like in the picture it not necessary bad, what we get may be even better than what was advertised. There's hunky guy at Moonlight I offed several times both ST and LT and I would never do that based on his photos. I was lucky enough to be introduced to him by one of our members so I saw him in flesh before I saw his pics.

that was a point I tried to make above - do they really care about your business ? I don't mean you ChristianPFC or Gaybutton but everybody who makes bar visit conditional to boys being in underwear. May be they wrote this clientele off ? I think you hit nail in the head. I'm talking about preliminary inquiry before even off fee comes to the picture. Or situation when apps boy uses some fabricated excuses to avoid repeated engagement, . or massage boy taking pains not to look at me even if we were together week or two ago. I don't want to sound sarcastic but certainly Peter you could use couple visits to bars now and update yourself on going there. Even one of our members in his report few days ago reported about opening bottle ( in Jupiter if I'm not mistaken ) . Depending of what's inside it will be 2000-3500 a bottle , mixers included. I underscored in your comment possible reason they don't care about brief's loving customer with solitary 400 baht drink is will be another one who opens bottle, drinks with boys and tips them, sometimes skimpy , at other times generously. In last two trips , in May and Nov I witnessed at least on three occasions boys being tipped 1000 baht just for sitting with client and drinking with him or her and I really don't pay much attention about audience in any bar. The same note received guy on the stage whom I offed subsequently so it was just for looking pretty. I , as much as others don't like those changes but I stopped complaining and still happily visit bars because I can see those complains are falling on deaf ears. another nail hit in the head, you on the roll today

somehow this doesn't apply to girl's bars in Patpong, just by passing by one can see plenty of them scantily clothed

when I took the same 2 boys plus brother of one of them in May procedure was the same but no notes taking , two not involved pretended to sleep or at least not to pay any attention to goings in the bed. So I guess you had bit more fun with your trio

it may be a case. Both mamasan and at least few guys from BBB Pattaya when I asked why only few boys are bare-chested on the stage told me that it is up to a boy to take shirt off or not. Another change, and that's for better, I noticed last trip was at Jupiter, during their parade boys, in the past always sober or even stern looking started smiling at the customers .... one of whatever reasons may be that they lost a shape and don't look attractive anymore. Definitely a case of one most popular guys from one of most popular bars and I doubt it's solitary case. I'd leave running bar to bar owners. I absolutely agree with all you said above but are we minority or majority of customers ? What was filling tills in times when farangs were almost exclusive clientele may not be doing the trick when Asian are prevailing like right now. It's not difficult to notice even in our forum. Guys complaining about boys in jeans or fully dressed are almost exclusively farangs. Perhaps for many clients it not as big issue as it is for some of us. I don't need to go far to see it since I have mirror. Yes I'd prefer guys being in skimpy briefs only but if they are not , I still like and enjoy my visits in bars. Is issue for me but not as big issue as for some of us. Do you think I'm alone?. Until we know what brings money and how much, we can't say what works and what not. Even with issue of offs, now with all communicators, Line , What's Up etc. we don't know if boys are getting more or less offs. I don't even mean cheating bar of off fee, now it's easy to arrange it with boy to come after show, after bar closes or before it opens and still pay dues to keep bars afloat. This brings us to a Gaybutton statement Maybe, just maybe, boys know better than us what attracts paying customers nowadays ? And what's even more important what generates better income for them. We use to look lustingly at their brief's contents but with proliferation of nose , earlobes , chin, hairstyle improvements in recent time perhaps that's the better way to get off and catch sugar daddy nowadays. I don't know but guessing based what I see and also what I hear from guys. Mooks , silicon and other cock improvements are passé , they seem to be more occupied with their faces or broadly speaking heads ....... that's the big if . I mean not you, person of Gaybutton, but type of customer liking what you like. May be bars and boys don't see much potential in older farangs anymore with us nursing one drink whole evening , tipping guys 20 baht for a feel and complaining (rightly I haste to say) about cost of drinks. Perhaps new wave of customers opening whisky bottles, getting drunk, offing multiple buys for dances at DJ to get ever more drunk and then tipping them more like all drunk people tip is more desirable because pays their , figuratively speaking , mortgages ? I don't know , just guessing. What I do know from personal experience in last post-covid trips is that it's more common then before that guys are rejecting my offers, are not interested in subsequent offs even if they were tipped above the market (?) or even not interested in off at all. Did I start smelling badly or they just see better money or better fun somewhere else?

Third Thai leg of this trip is reported here: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38766-back-in-thailand-from-laos-november-2022-trip-report/

this is last of 5 reports from month long trip to Thailand, Cambodia, Thailand , Laos and Thailand I took in October and November. Previous legs are reported here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38515-shortest-trip-ever-but-still-blood-pressure-rising-report/ Followed by 10 days in Cambodia reported here: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38619-guys-and-ruins-ruins-and-boys-trip-to-cambodia-in-oct-2022 and 8 days in Thailand reported here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38709-back-in-thailand-from-cambodia-october-2022-trip-report/ then 6 days in Laos reported here : https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38752-laos-trip-in-november-2022-report/ Day 1 Before I left for Laos I arranged with driver who took me to Pattaya to pick me up today from Don Muang and drive me there again. It was done both verbal and I left him detailed note, other driver present who spoke good English explained him that too so I expected process to be fast and smooth. When in arrival hall, he was nowhere to be seen so I asked dispatch to call him. He went to Swampy instead ! Realizing his mistake he told dispatch he is not coming to Don Muang to pick me up, rather he will hunt for some fare there. Fine, many fish in the sea, I was ready just to take one from taxi rank but dispatch told me she will have driver for me. We agreed on 1500 price and after about 45 minutes of waiting he showed up. I probably would be better off with my original plan taking somebody from taxi stand but now I had no choice . Can was shiny, driver smiling, it was not taxi , just her friend with car, but who cares ? Transport was secured. In about 2 hrs 20 minutes I was back in Boyztown. On my way I Lined bkkmfj I will be there and he showed up shortly in the soi. Today we decided to have beer at Pikky, after emptying our bottles there we went to Dreamboys. We were only customers there, about 8 boys available but none our type so after finishing out drinks we went to BBB. Boys were standing on the stage , among them few with tops removed . One of them was HC whom I had in Bangkok before going to Laos and who decided to cut his stay with me short. I did not hold any grudges and using ‘vinapu tuck’ tipped him and another bare chested guy as well as one fully dressed who was smiling at me broadly. I was kind of thinking to off one of them three but at one moment I spotted 2 familiar faces – Cambodian boys whom I offed in May along with brother of one of them. They remembered me as well so we were fixed for night today minus brother who was in their room not feeling well. On departure HC smiling asked me if he can see me tomorrow. I told him I will Line him but knew already it will be a case. I got over issue we had long ago and still have soft spot for him. We even shook hands. Bkkmfj went home and I with boys to metal tables restaurant for a dinner as they were hungry. Then to my room at Copa for night of fun. We developed procedure in May and sticked to it so no threesome but two sets twosomes through the night.

not for hotels and restaurants which cater to them

not that you are keen on wasting vacation time Jason😁

and English team got 'fair play ' reward for having least number of yellow cards

They still do, my Air Asia flight to LuangPrabang departed from there and both Siem Reap and Vientiane flights landed there as well

Part 3 - Vientiane After 4 days it was time to take a train although I could easily spend 2-3 more days there. Interesting yet relaxing place. Ticket was arranged by travel agent in the hotel, she also charged me 50000 for a van to railway station so getting there was smooth affair. Luang has distinction of having it’s airport much closer to the city than railway station. Train trip is described there: https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/38209-a-ride-on-the-laos-china-railway/ In Vientiane I noticed public bus with sign “Central Bus Station “ so decided to take it instead of fancy vans. I knew that my hotel is walking distance from station but still tuk tuk driver offered mi ride for 50 000 , when I smiled knowingly showing him where hotel is he dropped it to 20000 , now we are talking, for that amount I can travel 2 blocks in style. At hotel we both laughed. I spent 2 day there, Vientiane is not big city and has that provincial feel but main avenue connecting presidential palace with Victory Gate quite impressive. There are several wats spread across the city , at least two of them are a must, oldest in the city Wat Si Saket with thousands of Buddha statues and Wat Phra Kaew , now converted to museum, original site of Emerald Buddha , now in Grand Palace in Bangkok. Close there is walled compound of French embassy and big sized Ukrainian flag on one of walls reminded me about nasty war there . Across the street I found Sacred Heart Catholic cathedral and friendly nun there told me it’s only Catholic church in whole country. Another landmark ancient stupa That Dam was close to my hotel and not far from there is still one more landmark Nam Phu fountain but at that time was in process of renovation and whole place around her was deserted. Central bus station looks half finished but has quite good information desk where staff speaks some English. Morning market with many stalls is just across the street. Stroll along Mekong is very pleasant with rural Thailand on other side. Nong Khai is several km downstream. For those who want to cross to Thailand by bridge to Nong Khai or want to visit Buddha Park there’s half hourly , well posted bus from Central Bus Station taking you to both. Of course I visited most venerated landmark in Vientiane, Golden Stupa That Luang , symbol of country featured on coat-of-arms and every banknote (there are no coins in Laos). It’s about 3 km from city center, I just walked there but took tuk-tuk-back. I had feeling that those 2 days were just enough to see everything, certainly is wort to stop there on a way to or from Luang Prabang , specially now with train whisking between two in just 2 hours. Airport is almost walking distance from the center , probably 6 km from my hotel but when time came to leave I took tuk -tuk for 200 baht from my hotel, this was only time in Laos when I was quoted price in 3 currencies : 100000 kip or 200 baht or 6 dollars. I opted for baht since I wisely run out of kip that morning. Airport is last place one can exchange kip back to dollar or baht, outside of Laos nobody will exchange it. Flight to Don Muang was short and smooth and upon landing I started third and final Thai part of this trip.

at least you can see him , without glasses I don't see much in those mirrors

yes they are . I remember Bravo passing by with some boy and me thinking ' that guy doesn't have any taste in men " ( just kidding , we never met at least knowingly ). But this is true , all punters and their boys were vetted by either Maxi or Dicks patrons. But now it's history and we should think about future as soi Twlight now is nothing more than just shortcut between Rama and Suriwong.