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I'm indeed. But remember I have spies everywhere and made already partial initial investigation. I wish I was there to take part in all that fun. I join reader with thanks for report on 9-teen, somehow I skipped that place last month. I know I should go , if only out of curiosity.

Having tried both on last trip I say you did right thing for similar price. I'd settle for Raya even up to 10$ more , above that price difference I'd take 56

I stay there last 2 nights of my trip I returned from mid-Nov. It at mouth of Patpong 1 , just across he street so great location for Patpong 2 boy bars as well as Mooonlight and Tawan. Walk to DJ station manageable 5-7 mins. No problem with visitors day or night. Room big and well appointed but was missing two things I like to have - kettle and safety deposit box. It looks one must use one on reception, not an issue for me at end of trip. Kettle problem I solved as always - I carry immense heater to make my tea on every trip. Here some pictures , sorry about the mess, there were two of us and I did not include my companion in 'visitors' category above, LOL

for 4 nights , it makes 1537 a night to clarify record. During covid they had very deep discounts and it's how I found that hotel in Dec 2021. Now I'm big fan of it.

yes , they stopped it when allowed to have people inside I agree , it's great place in great location but noise at times may be just too much. great analysis ! It must be true. As reported in other thread at end of Oct I visited quite remote Banteai Chmmar temple near Sisophon in Cambodia. Unfortunately during some village fair and deafening music which was heard probably in half of province ruined somewhat my visit as all I wanted was to either get deaf or leave , whatever comes first.

How did you like there ?

last December , post-covid that spirit was revived when Castro and BBB co-operated to have one show in the soi , outside of bars. Actually it was fun, show ended well before midnight so no sleep disruption.

+1 also haggling tend to kill the joy for me although sometimes it's necessary when quotation is out of blue. In such cases I counteroffer and then it's usually take it or no deal.

that's still not bad. One of boys in Bangkok I know for years told me he is lucky if he has 5 offs per month, he is on bit older side though. While I too tend to tip of upper range but we need to remind ourselves from time to time we are NOT responsible for guys income stream.

I think it's possible, all boils to negotiating. Longer time , lower per day fee may be. It may also depend on who initiated idea , if it was boy , we are in better negotiating position

I did it twice in the past pre-covid and paid 3000 per day, in one case it was what boy asked for , in another what I volunteered and he approved i.e took the money with smile. 2000 plus expenses sounds about right as it's long time Pattaya rate on another hand if boy is with us whole day it also means it available for carnal pleasures all the time so 2000 will be bit on lower side. There was reason I preferred to be generous with guy in question so I agreed to meet him mid way. Was it right call? as we learn soon , not necessary.

I agree with your statement if somebody asks me it suits me well, there's service , it should be fee

I'm with gayinpattaya with that ( I run out of 'likes' for today). Deafening noise if not an entertainment , is nuisance for all ( Ok , colmx and few others excepted ) and health hazard for those who must work close to source. This brought memories of one night I had in The Venue. There was party in Qmark bar but noise was unbearable and I know thing or two about the noise as my windows are facing 16 lane highway , in summer I sleep with open windows. Around 2 am I resigned trying to sleep and went down to the source, honestly it seemed volume was lower in bar than in the room. It was good decision because waiter asked me if I sleep alone tonight and I answered ' no, with you" so it ended well but to this day I take great care of not making bookings in that part of Complex (Zing is pretty quite, sheltered from that bullshit by row of buildings)

you are telling me guy in navy shirt may miss two front teeth ?

Day 5 I could use more steamed night I thought in the morning but still was very happy I nailed long time with object of my silent adoration, LOL .At least he was quite clingy and did not complain about me disturbing his sleep like last time in May. Again I noticed he is attached to his phone, “ today’s youngsters” I sighted when I noticed at night he went to the toilet and took his phone with him. On another hand I thought it was considerate he did not turn it on in the bed . Copa doesn’t have breakfast so we went to BayView restaurant for first meal of the day and after that HC went to his room to pack, promising to be back at noon. I went to Paradise remembering I promised Wit to have another massage with him , on my way stopped at taxi booth by ‘metal tables ‘ restaurant and ordered taxi to Bangkok for noon at 1300, paid 300 there and 1000 payable to driver I was told. Wit did not show up so I went to my room to pack up, Lined him ‘ where you are ?”, “I slept in” answer come and was very disappointed when I told him I will be leaving at 12. ‘ Come to say good bye “ he asked. Since I did not have much to pack I went for a stroll to Tukcom and returned by way of Sunee Plaza of course completely empty at that hour but I just wanted to get some fresh air from there. Returning I stopped by Paradise to say good bye and consoled Wit with news I will be back in 2 weeks, he even walked me to the hotel where I found taxi waiting already, good 15 minutes before noon. HC showed up at 12 on the dot, I must command him not only for his good looks but also for being always on time, he must have drop or two of Swiss blood in him. Endearing to me as I know and observe difference between say, 4 and 4.05. It took 2 hours exactly to get to Furama Sathorn which since December trip become my favorite hotel in the Silom area. Big rooms with balconies , breakfast included , close to Chong Nonsi station. I was greeted with news of upgrade, their system probably noticed my recent loyalty and it turned out to be two steps up upgrade as I got a room with separate living room and bedroom . Since we were two and stay was 4 days I asked for 2 door cards, just in case. And nobody blinked and eye when they asked if I want 1 or 2 beds in bedroom and answer was obvious one. We went to eat something at modest Thai place in front of hotel , then HC asked if he can heave some sleep so I left him alone and went to Arena for massage greeted there by Art , the mamasan known to me since 3rd Crusade I think. About 10 guys , all muscular hunks so I had problem of picking one but went for biggest smile. Massage 800 for 1.50hr, I tipped 1500 and session was bordering on fantastic with both massage and afters. When I returned to the room HC was still asleep – I did not know I was so active last night that exhausted him to that extend but it was fine with me. He waked up just when I felt hungry and suggested soi 4 for a dinner , idea I liked so we went to G’Bangkok for my schnitzel and some Thai dish for him. It turned out he is friend with some guys from Banana Club across the soi so after dinner we went there to have some beers and drinks with his friends and when time came we went inside for a show and more drinks. Boys there are more on twinky and next boy side but I having HC beside me I did not pay that much attention to who is available but noticed one guy previously from New Twilight there. Since I tipped him there in May I repeated my “vinapu tuck ‘ with red note in Banana Club as well. We returned to hotel bit past midnight and after all those beers and drinks we were on quite jolly and possibly when walking and talking, loud side, he, he. Not a bad end to day 5. Room at Furama Sathorn, 6148 for 4 days , breakfast for 2 included

That's shocking, sounds more like North Korea of , in the past, former Eastern bloc countries but Philippines?

don't worry, pay what YOU think is right as it's only you who can assess whether your money was spent well. Gaybutton is right than we should have internal limit if only to prevent our pockets from overheating but what your limit will be for you to decide. But In Jomtien complex and apps in Pattaya , yes it looks that 1000 for ST is rate most boys will be content with . Offer this to one of Jupiter or Moonlight guys , all you will get at best will be THE LOOK. Double it and you will have good start with those guys.

that's valid concern but bright side is for a lot of comers even inflated Thai prices are still much less than they pay at home so it mitigates sticker shock.

I'd give them some credit, some of them are quite smart with money. On another hand I know a few educated people, even in position in financial industry who are perhapas good with other people's money but not in theirs

and as long as is rejected without undue drama ( i.e. o my God , 3000 , are you stupid or what? ) it will be taken with understanding and may even lead to meeting you somewhere in between. Like in case I just reported in my trip report. Pattaya guy wanted to go with me to Bangkok for 4 days- his idea. How much do you want ? 5000 per day. I can give you 3000 as it's 4 days so still a lot of money. After bit of checking stamp collection , shy proposal came - 4000. Because it was shy, I knew I had room to bring it down but opted to approve for simple reason - I liked the guy and it was my quiet hope he will go with me anyways. I know the guy and I'm sure that if I jumped on him like " 5000 it's too much , are you sick ?" he would stiffen up in wrong way, ruining night and chance for that 4 days foray. positive underscoring ' 12000 is still a lot of money ' did the trick, It did not work as intended as we learn soon but that's separate story.

market forces at work but there's no doubt in my mind after a while they will try again

Like with all rising prices, first we are screaming crazy , then gradually we get more accommodating. When I came first to Thailand in 2001 , 1000 baht for short time was shocking extortion. While 3000 for short time is racket , some people are willing to pay it acting on logic that is better to overpay and be happy because of boy performance, looks and body than pay 1000 and be happy only because 2000 was saved. Saying that I agree that often performance and fee charged have not relation at all. On another hand certain types are scarce on the market and with market logic they warrant premium. If one is cursed , like me , with being fond of hunky built guys may face choice of cold bed of empty wallet on some nights. Third consideration is length of stay. Resident has is easy as has time to search and even more important has time to built pool of available guys , not to mention getting volume discount. Travellers on longer stay had similar advantage but those who are on 1-2 weeks vacations need to move fast and often decide yes or no between lonely and sweaty night. I'm not even going into discussion bar vs. apps but with market forces at work there's danger that bars gradually disappear which we already see but apps will become more costly. Even in some recent reports we hear that some guys start asking for more and there are those who don't budge. On my last tip I was surprised that one of bar guys I offed quite a few times in the past was holding firm and did not yield so obviously guy have their own calculations.

Merry Christmas to you !

those are particularly welcomed

Guy in navy shirt in opening sequence is very handsome, I wish he discarded that mask