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As far as I, m concerned answer is NO although you are right, is good to have options

You will have fun, rest assured, noise or not

Not that Complex is quiet, quite opposite. And you you take guy from one if bars you also parading him and yourself in front of 10 or so bars. In short Pattaya is not for shy types although on bright side nobody minds your business. If guy walks with girl everybody knows what will happen. If two guys are walking there level of mystery i.e who is the top but really nobody cares.

I visited Moonlight last night, heavy rain in the evening perhaps contributed to quite sparse crowd inside, staff outnumbered Patrons 2 to 1 I guess. Only 3 models on display and as part of show - Nicky, Smart and Marc, perhps 8 floor guys all bar one in t-shirt and jeans. Some of our members would get a heart attack I suspect. One bare chested recognized me immediately as he was my 1st off in Dec. For me he was only one offable material so it goes without saying I did not off anybody( doesn't mean I spent night praying silently or something). Show was pretty brief but entertaining enough, drink 400, VAT included. Need to try them another night as heavy rains contributed likely to a low participation. As soon as I got in my room another heavy rain followed. But today air is quite cooler than yesterday not to mention streets cleaner.

Exactly, from Suriwong enter Tawan soi( soi 6) and At Mango turn right, New Twilight will be on your left, almost exactly opposite of Nature Boys. Unless one is blind or heavily intoxicated impossible to miss as sign is prominent - see pics above taken as some suspected from Nature Boys entrance.

No, not yet, still fighting jet lag unfortunately. But soon as it, s usually over post 3rd day and that would be today

You lost

It may be some wait involved before I will write something resembling report, for that I need to be back home.

I visited Tawan yesterday with another member who IS NOT fan of big boys and we liked experience and atmosphere, very friendly. As soon as we showed up we were greated with handshakes by few of the guys - in what bar you have that kind of greetings.? If was Monday and holiday so it was not crowded, perhaps dozen guys and the same number of customers including few Asian girls Show carried up anyways, 3 divas, with lip sync singing, 3 muscle guys posing but only one with pokong cock, 6 big cock show participants who went about the audience to offer feel and collect tips. JO show with 3 participants, one of them did not finish race for a lack of tippers. Everything done in good natured mood. Singing divas successfully tried to engage an audience in some sort of conversation and of course looked for tips. As in days past guys are circulating freely and as space is limited that requires a lot of less walking. Among boys novelty, genuine twink, not even aspiring bodybuilder so everybody has a chance there. Few old faces, few new, nobody drastically out of shape,quite opposite. As for me at least 5 looked offable right away including one I did few times and who recognized me immediately earning beer and a red tip. And yes I offed one and hope to try others too. Earlier in the day, around noonish I passed by and there was lonely guy offering massage so of course I engaged him as to start trip in style. Not a bad looking guy and not a bad massage either. In the evening world saw him on the stage. Need to check that offer regularly as some of guys I, m salivating about may actually offer massage. Facilities, are on top floor so some climb is requred and are pretty basic but not that basic, clean and hot watered. On weekend shows are aparently more sophisticated, ahem, but what we saw yesterday was entertaining enough. Recommended to everybody since twink is on an offer.

But there,s hope, tonight' s flight from New Delhi was full and not only full of Indians

But for me Patpong 1 looks strange without all those stalls, in fact is outright ugly. But yes tourist trap requires tourists.

This is how it looks from outside. Is not that hidden, during day that soi is quite busy with lots of eateries and Silom market. Today is quiet because of holidays

I went today around 8.30 for my first breakfast and place was packed so I was forced to do rounds around the area and only then I managed to feed myself and discover they breakfast special went up from 65 to shameless 70!

In an argument above I'm more in reader's camp but on another hand I'm afraid Z909 represents prevailing view. While I find guys in jeans sexy if they don't start undressing slowly but surely distinction between bar and street may be lost. And so will reason to pay 400 baht for 43 baht bottle of beer. But our view, one of farangs who renewed their drivers license many times may be one of minority. Majority of customers , after covid debacle ends will be likely younger Asians and they may look at things differently. Entertainment may mean different thing to different people too. As for myself, too loud a music chases me from bar faster than completely dressed twinks, others may run away at the very sight of boys in jeans. Lack of smiles on Jupiter guy's faces is more painful for me than their bodies covered etc

did another World Heritage place , Madrid Tavern re-opened ?

about time

it will, with 4 bars opened in Boyztown now, you will find consolators easily. If you bored during day take trips to NongNooch (spelling) tropical gardens and Sanctuary of Truth, climb Pratamnak hill to see Big Buddha and panorama from there and take day trip to Koh Larn island

I use money belt in my undergarments when travel and when about the city I have money spread in between multipocketed shirt and shorts. Each pocket has assigned fixed amount when I'm leaving room so it's easy to control expenses and be alerted if something would be missing. So far only 500 in 21 trips , either lifted in the crowded BTS or more likely , I dropped it when buying the BTS ticket

sure , people going to Newcastle hate coal too

I don't blame you man, hope Tiger will return to his duties soon, now when Lao border re-opened

looking like aspiring hooligan but they are all sweet, look can be deceiving

of the guy you like and he will remove both in no time

Z909 already elaborated on the Classrooms and he is one who recommended that hotel to me so follow his narrative. I stay in may different rooms there and was happy with all including one on the 2nd floor just at staircase, no issues with guest, bar girls nor noise. As for poster on the wall is easily curable , bring guy with you and you will not even notice those girls ( your guy may though) I agree , lure of Tawan is strong for me too but BBB provided nice distraction, you will like it. As for extension , easily doable , cancel BKK reservation and extend one in Pattaya , done if you feel so inclined. I tried Pattaya in the beginning of trip , at the end and in the middle and like mid-trip foray there the most but only once spent more time there than in Bangkok, reason you identified , lure of Tawan and now Moonlight too. Good luck with bearded hunk at BBB

Copa is hotel in Boyztown, just across the soi from BBB and fits all your specifications. Considering it's location obviously your boys are welcomed hassle free. May be bit noisy in the evening but not really problem for me over the years. Only disadvantages - no breakfast provided and whole soi will see who are walking in with. Just above BBB is Ambiance which was closed for a while but may be re-opened already, I personally don't like it's maze of corridors . In the parallel soi , on the corner and just above ABomb and another girlie bar there is Classrooms hotel with big rooms , most with balconies which is my favorite as it's quieter and has card operated side entry so you and your guests are entering undisturbed. Perhaps 5-10 $ ore than Copa. All three easily booked through Agoda. As for touchy bar try Nice Boys which has own thread on this forum . Is located in Sunee Plaza, 10 minutes walk from Boyztown . Guys are on rough side but not hunks, certainly touchy although last time I visited there in Dec with another member they were more flirtatious with their phones than customers. Small tip lie 20 baht will allow you short inspection and for a price of boy drink and say 100-200 tip you can prolong inspection easily. Not a place for shy. as for splitting time between BKK and Pattaya there will be as many opinions as members with some bypassing either city completely, some giving one much more time than another and some splitting their time evenly but since you , like me seem to like more hunky guys, more abound in Bangkok I'd say out of 2 weeks , 1st in Bkk, followed by 4 days in Pattaya and then last 3 days back in Bkk would be my advice. Pattaya is cheaper , hotels, drinks and expected tips but during day Bangkok offers much more to do than that " family friendly " destination. Whatever you decide though , you can't be much wrong. As tourist traffic is still way from normal it's easy now to change mind, cancel reservation in one place and extend it in another, just when booking make sure reservation is cancellable Whatever you decide , you are in for a ball, rest assured

one hopes, Bangkok climate is too hot for long johns