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This is area we need to thread carefully. While some boys will enjoy flashy places to stay and to eat fully knowing that without us they wouldn't be able to afford such indulgence and impress their friends with facebook pictures, others may consider such spending wasteful. I had in the past few comments that we could easily have the same meal here and there for 200 less or , at Sanctuary of Truth that if he knew how much admission was he would be happy to wait for me outside for half of ticket price. Another thing to consider is that in flashier places they may feel out of place or even singled out as moneyboys. Never crossed my mind until visiting friend staying in D'Varee Bally Silom, not exactly Oriental , not even Hilton, just to see how room looks like and boy I was with opted to wait in the lobby because he did not want people waiting for elevator to know he is bar boy - his eye-opening exact words.

try Man resort in Wat Polanka area, a bit hidden but not that far from main drags and if you sin too much there's church short walk from there

Welcome to the forum and it's very bad that right away I need to disagree with you. Don't Cambodian and Lao boys have eyes or in fact dicks? If you tickle them they laugh the same like us and if you pinch them , they scream all the same. I understand your position if you are Thai and you believe than foreigners are taking your jobs, just the same Amerians, Germans, South Africans or even Turkmen or Tajik believe but if you are farang what your beef with foreign boys is ?. Lao and Cambodians don't even look different than Thais and their cocks taste all the same. In fact in my opinion Cambodians usually speak much better English than Thai boys. It's owners problems how they decide to run their businesses, what risks they are taking and whim they snitching on. We are just customers and bystanders and should be glad they staff their bars with boys , best they can. Only reason to justify those raids would be to prevent human trafficking but I doubt it's a case , I'm yet to see foreign boy who did not have his passport on him which wouldn't be a case if he was enslaved way many foreign workers in the Gulf are. Don't get discouraged by opposite views and stay in the forum but remember that illegal foreign workers and gays in many countries are still classified the same alltogether - unwelcome addition to a healthy body of nation so we swim in the same swamp.

just my observation, it's funny how we see the same things differently. I'm hunks chaser so for my eyes all Sunee bars with perhpas exception of GOOD BOYS offer the same type , now I learned there's quite a difference. I'm not disputing it, just loud thinking. When bar hopping with various our members I learned that what I see and what they see it's not the same. Looking at the same scene I may be salivating and others on a verge of running out screaming in horror ( or other way around)

why ownership is important ? I be busy getting acquainted with boys and wouldn't care who owner is and if he is on premises or not.

in general that should be principle of tipping - you gave what you are comfortable with. that said we should remember that ' thank you ' not always means recipient is greatfull and happy , it may be just sign of good upbringing. Since I tip 20 baht server who just brings me drink in bar I'd be tipping masseur more than that, after all she worked on my creaky foot for a while but world is not a fair place, sigh

than you will feel at home at Nice Boys, no sissies there

it must be something with forum nick ending with '9' as this is what both members complaining , not without merit , about costly Bangkok , have in their forum names. Coincidence or pattern?

not necessarily related to travelling only but I noticed while ago that if helps to raise boy self-esteem when not only he chooses place but also pays for a meal. So sometimes when dining or shopping I make him paying , of course previously making sure I gave him money for that when I stitch ploy together. Yes , they also leave a tip for server and yes again , they usually give me back money left over from that ploy.

speaking about tips in Thailand, I wonder whether others have impression that Thais despise getting tips in coins. Pretty strong word, I know, but on more than one occasion I was asked whether I have 20 baht banknote instead or when left 20-40 baht under the pillow it was left there uncollected even if on previous day the banknote /s/ left in the same place disappeared. In bars when coins in the folder are left there as tip that's OK but when drink paid exact change plus two 10 baht coins , more than once I noticed slight grimace. I wonder if that is some pattern or I just have bad luck although one of our member once told me that he heard in such a case comment that coins are for beggars so it may be something.

I already told somewhere why - we human race like to talk about other people's money. Another thing I like to repeat is that while I tip , for me it's just afterthought , not matter for serious consideration. I only hope that people on tipping side of debate are better than my friend Henry ( he has nothing to do with this forum, not even gay ) who, wherever we dine together reminds everybody that we should leave a tip but somehow invariably he is one of our crowd leaving smallest tip . Years of open joking about that did not loose his purse even tiny bit. I'm pretty sure many of us know the type.

I understand you are asking about Oasis ? Its on Suriwong between Patpong and Tarntawan Hotel soi, well posted but easy to miss because place is small and above street level with 5-7 steps to climb. Run by farang with Thai wife, Open only evenings and nights. As for worth going to ? I only can answer for myself, I like it and consider their chicken with cashew nuts best everywhere. No trip to Thailand goes without me dining there , either alone or with forum friends not to mention several boys I forced to climb those stairs. So for me definitely yes. As for others it depends , over years I got few PM's saying that people were disappointed with my accolades about the place. But the same can be said about my other favorite places - Foodland Patpong and Old Heidelberg Pattaya. This doesn't stop few of our members proclaiming along with me that those places are great . So as usual , all is matter of taste. Go and try for yourself and then you will know. Since I treat restaurants everywhere in very utilitarian way - I go there when I'm hungry , don't look at me as food expert at all.

yes , just like printing boarding pass at home instead of getting it from airline counter. I fact I like that system of ordering dish as I have few friends / none from this forum / who are notorious for spending time picking up their treats while rest of party ordered long ago and it's just a hungry witness of their hair splitting deliberations.

still less than I pay in Oasis Surawong, place where I like that dish the most. It's sure thing that whenever I will be in Pattaya next time I know where my first meal will be eaten as long as they still will stay in the business

as with many other venues it seems that it is another case of "go and try yourself " as even reports in this thread cover all spectrum from happy to disappointed. It doesn't mean anybody is wrong, different people go with different expectations or our visit just felled on the wrong /particularly good day and we tend to extrapolate our experience as universal. I don't frequent saunas so don't take sides on the subject but freshly recall my two visits in ABomb in Jun , two days apart. First time I felt I'm spoiled for abundant choice, next time it was barely two boys I cold hang my eyes on. So two different people following me each on separate day could have opposite impressions even if each shares my taste.

I'm glad I don't have your inhibitions because I would. After all you paid for it.

You are right but not for reason you mentioned. As matter of principle I don't do that unless invited by the boy i.e. sitting beside me and taking my hand there or boy flashing goods from the scene and already observed that he is not against stepping down and allow closer inspection. And even that would be rather to re-distribute world's wealth than out of my lust as I like private things private. For the same reason / redistribution of wealth / I, by definition , tip participants of f***k show since if inclined to see one I would rather just off two willing guys and took them home for no rush performance. as for age issue, while there are older mamasans , a lot of them are still not far from stage performing years although truth to be said I rarely see them as attractive. Still, when harassed to a tip I found asking then to show me their cock effective yet friendly and business like way of shedding them off for a evening without any bad feeling. After all they see all the time how boys are earning their tips

Nothing wrong with that practice, but still I would't pay that much just to reserve a seat but others may be tempted, not different from paying for seat choice on the plane which I don't do either but plenty others do.

I have a habit of giving my leftover small change , if any , to a airport cleaners. From zillion of visits in bars I doubt that practice of tipping mamasan 100 / 200 baht is that wide spread , specially in more popular bars where crowds are arriving for the show and leaving right after and most of audience is East / South East Asians, not exactly famous for coming from tipping cultures. Not that reports about lavish tipping are exaggerated, I was witness myself of boys being tipped 1000 baht for just being on the stage, not even fully undressed, but those were boys , not waiters or mamasans.

Thank you for the update good luck for them but sooner pig will see Heaven than I tip mamasan 200 or waiter 100 unless they allow some indecent inspection of their hidden gems. 'standard tip to mamasan or waiters", fully dressed at that, it's lunacy. But if others keep bars running for us that way I can only applaud their generosity.

may be they think it's more upscale and sophisticated practice, if that's the case just wait for a price rise

unless you really into hunks you should find something to your liking, particularly at Good Boys and Nice Boys. Look at me , the hunk lover, still 3 months ago almost to the day I managed to find somebody at Winners suitable for long time off, angels and aussie_ my witness ! Everybody has own bar hopping strategy but I'm still surprised that some have those preconceived notions about this or that place and don't look inside by definition while in fact nice companion may be found everywhere. Boy may be too big to one's liking but may have charming smile and be more accommodating that his look conveys. The same with twinky honorary skeletons , body mass may be lacking but again smile , enthusiasm and warmth not to mention technical excellence may be there. This is not song of praise of Sunee only as it's about all venues in Pattaya , Bangokok and elsewhere , rather encouragement to shed preconceived notions about this or that, worst what may happen it that we just get confirmation of what we know already at the price of drink.

that was the beauty of Silom. My nightmare is that one day some modernizer will order all those massage and bar boys and girls to hide behind closed door of their venue and then we will have nothing but empty pavement to admire - most of us have plenty of that at home.

I for one, hate this new, somewhat sanitized Silom, thank God there's still some color in the evenings and at nights

nothing stops you from behaving decently in Sunee bars, have your drink, watch the boys on the stage, invite one or three to sit with you but keep your hands above their waistline and you have your decent fun. Sunee boys are not my type at all but I still visit at least some of those bars every trip. Do yourself a favor and visit next time , only way to have well founded opinion.