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they look great on the video but greater still in the flesh on the stage

thanks God taking boy from bar to watch TV together in the room is still legal

while like most of us I like to see as much their bodies as possible I find those boys in jeans looking sexy so for me at least that dressing style is not detrimental. What I find strange is I don't like jeans on me and in my long life I owed only one pair. Hanan's explanation above makes sense but from behavior of Chinese ladies I see in bars I have my doubts too much skin is shocking that much - I have impression they know very well what they are coming to bar for and any shock they pretend to have is just stage performance for their friends IMHO. But again busiest bars in both cities are not showing too much skin although Pattaya's second busiest one / Nice Boys / is showing plenty of it but this is farang's playing ground still.

what impression I have is harder to get long time from boys I like to have it with. There are always twinks for salvation but I'm not much into them but as they say "if you don't have what you like, you like what you have " Sure smart move would be if boy doesn't want long time not to off him at all and see what happens but on short vacations I don't want to play such games, specially with boys I like anyways. The same goes with excessive tip requests, facing choice of off and no off boys usually yield. But I don't like those games as it may create some bitterness and I don't want to have much to do with bitter people boys or not. At end of day is not that bad it will be only one more such empty morning this trip and as we will learn not for lack of suitable candidates.

Day 3 Lonely morning in cold bed so I got out of bed at 8 and went to Foodland Pattaya for their breakfast treat. Rest of morning and early afternoon I spent lazily walking along the sois, visited Central Festival Mall and night Market nearby , spent some time on internet and treated myself with some pedicure as my cracked feet demanded some attention. In short perfect vacation day doing nothing and wasting time ending with another meal at Alt Heidelberg. At 5 p.m. I was already in the room as I was expecting visit from Kao the masseur and true to form shortly after he called with gentle question if I need massage today. Sure I did so in few seconds he was in the room . For a change today half session was repeat of yesterday’s but another half I actually massaged him. Couldn’t resist caressing of such an attractive body. Taste of paradise for 1.5 hr. After he left I parked myself over gin and tonic drink on Copa’s veranda watching soi life going by and waiting for biguyby to show up. Couldn’t shed an impression that my drink was actually 50 % tonic and 50% of tonic with gin in the name only but really who cares. In meantime I noticed my another favorite masseur from Copa, Ko sitting with customer but it did not stop us from exchanging hugs. Biguyby showed up soon after, we exchanged news and decided to march to XBoys for their show if only to repeat the same routine we had when we met 2 years ago. Lots of new boys at the bar , mostly twinks, silicon cock gone , music toned down to a level enabling some conversation. Show had few traditional numbers including shower show and f***k show to give an opportunity to distribute some tips. I found both participants quite attractive even if they were twinks mainly owing to their broad smiles. We agreed to another meeting tomorrow expecting Christian PFC to join us for dinner, biguyby went his way and no prize for guessing where I went and what for. Very tittle of that thread says it all. Of course I went to BBB to snatch Art for another round of massage, conversation and fun. Did not even need to enter bar as he was outside so gave him 500 for off fee and soon we were in my room at Copa for quite a lively late evening session. Burden of my pocket eased by 2000 baht and enlivened by energetic session instead to going to bed I decided to go for a stroll to Walking street. I took a bit of circular way through all Boyztown sois and near former location of Vassa I spotted M, boy from now defunct Oscars. We both were surprised and he was very pleased that I remembered his nick. He was my long time off in Sept and daily drinking companion in the bar. Unfortunately somebody was giving him lift after work so we did not talk for long and I continued to a mayhem of Walking Street still busy even if it was very late. Few interesting scenes, at and of street small congregation observing funny scene of midget talking business to a working girl twice his height and very attractive at that. Funny scene and neither seem to mind all attention they gathered . Two hunks in top tanks and very short shorts strolling through the street created sensation among girls outside inviting them to their bars , patting them on the butts but I had an impression that they were as much interested in them as myself but eye candy they both were, I mean 4000 baht long time types. Late at night arrived back to hotel for another empty bedded night and second one with A/C shut down. And this is how day 3 finished.

difference is that in coffee shop you can only watch and admire , in Jupiter you know that for consideration of perhaps 1500-2000 baht you may actually put your hands on the boy for an hour or two. Drinks at Jupiter are 300 only

It seems that everybody would agree but on my recent trip I visited almost all bars on Bkk and Pattaya and clearly and BY FAR busiest were Jupiter 2018 and BoyzBoyzBoyz , none of them prominently featuring boys in just underwear, go figure !. It looks that nature of go-go bars in Thailand is really changing ( and dressing up a bit ).

Day 2 Boy declined breakfast together offer so I went alone to Foodland Patpong for my regular treat of discounted breakfast at 65 baht , available between 5.30 and 9, after 9 price goes up to a whooping 81 baht. Return to hotel , packed and off to Ekkamai as this trip I decided will me mainly Pattaya affair for me with Bangkok as appendix only. Contrary to what some may think reason was not a prices, indeed much cheaper in Pattaya but very good experience I had with few boys last September and was hoping to meet them again. Pretty pleasant weather this year, it’s my 4th time there in beginning of Jun and by far weather was the best with manageable rain and not much heat, in fact for few days my cousins reported that they had bigger heat at home than I in tropical Bangkok. 108 baht for bus , twenty minutes waiting and I was on my way. In Pattaya to get to the hotel I took one of those songtaews waiting at the bus station and for 50 baht shortly after I was dumped on beach road in the mouth of Boyztown. Sure there is cheaper option by just crossing the street and taking regular songtaew for 10 baht but I consider 50 reasonable offer. I mentioned above good experience with some boys and one of them was Kao, masseur at Copa, on approach whom I see? Beaming Kao looking at beaming the me ! As it turned out he was first time on the job in one month as he has daytime bartnding job somewhere else but today , due to Vishaka Bucha ‘dry’ holiday he was free so decided to come to Copa, good job my beloved Guardian Angel !. I told him to stay tuned as I needed to change money, took haircut on my way for 150 and shortly after massage fee of 400 was paid and fun started. Not a bad massage but what a body ! Of course he suggested repeat tomorrow just before I opened my mouth with the same suggestion. 1200 baht for my pleasure, kisses , smiles , ‘ see you tomorrow’ embraces. Happy , happy me and him. Since it’s good practice not to eat before massage I felt pretty hungry so for a meal I went to one of my obligatory 4 food stops in Thailand – Alt Heidelberg restaurant on the Beach Road around the corner. ( for investigative minds other 3 stops are Foodland and Madrid Tavern on Patpong and Oasis on Suriwong). Alt Heidelberg could use some renovation since it appears excesively to adhere to Alt / old in German / designation but food is good, both farang and Thai and it’s good people watching spot too. After nourishment I wanted to walk around but body reminded me about me being in Thailand barely 27 hours and jet lag started to kill me so returned to my room and don’t even remember how I fell asleep, waking up at 9.45 pm. Good timing to go to BoyzBoyzBoyz thought I , so after refreshing and shaving ( in Thailand I always shave just before hitting bars ) I entered what I consider best bar in the hole country. One of mamasans recognized me and rushed with handshake, than Art standing on the scene beamed his broad smile which warmed me immensely as he is one of those I precisely come to Pattaya for. Then one of boys Arab looking veteran there whom I never offed but always tip smiled and only missing grin was from Kaow who as I learned later from Art did not recognize me. It was Art who reminded him about his off with me last Sept. I got good seat so could enjoy the show , quite new. In a break boys presented themselves and it was great assembly of male beauty, great indeed. In meantime I was object of adoration of my neighbor , Chinese looking in his early 40ties who seem to like hair on my hand, leg and chest . Being in charitable mood I let him to play a little pretending I don’t see it but when his hand went up the leg his fun was aborted by a gentle slap. May be I should not to waste such occasion as he was quite good looking but I did not suffer indignity of long flight to see him but to have massage by Art. So after BBoys dynamic show ending with surprisingly meager tipping by the patrons, I slipped 100 baht into Kaow’s and one more boy undies, waved art over , paid 500 off fee and marched him to Copa for reacquainting session of great massage and surprisingly interesting conversation no to mention other exercises. There was no doubt he remembered me very well and only dark spot of the evening was his flat refusal to do long time, oh well. No means no. So after he left I went to bed alone , my first lonely night in Thailand for a long time. I mentioned agreeable weather – I turned air conditioner off for the night, rare trea and it was end of second day.

cleraly they are trying to find what market will bear as I'm 100% sure I paid 380 for drink on Friday , their opening night. But such pricing chaos may be confusing and not good for business , hope they will settle soon .I wish them well as I liked my experience there.

I do but I'm glad such gloom is tormenting them , not me . I rather pay attention to still full half of glass

( my underscore ) well said, ,it's why I always advise to take only boy who is smiling at us

smart move , after several years probably he is too long in the tooth to stay in the business at end of day all we need is one boy we like

have fun, formula for better 4 hands experience is to pick up first boy and let him to pick up another one with our blessing of course, at least that is what i think

Vessey Nobody could have written better obituary, I love it

for price I paid probably you would if you were me. Where I'm I have few choices but basically they boil down to departing at decent time and arriving at ungodly hour or departing in middle of the night and arriving at convenient time. It looks that however I turn , my ass is still behind me as my grandmother used to say.

thank you China Eastern, this may happen to any airline. I guess I just had bad luck but at least they handled this efficiently creating minimum fuss. on return plane landed exactly as scheduled at 2.29 and landed so smoothly I did not even notice when we were rolling on the runway. I'd gladly use them again .

are we now the same people we were 15.25 or 35 years ago? is person looking at Wat Arun form the boat for 17th time in the same awe he was at the first time.? When we mourn passing away glorious days of the past are we mourning passing away what was then or just our own long gone youth and vigor ? Just asking all you saying above is truth but what amazes me that good chunk of those still coming or living there seem to do so only to complain how current state of affairs makes them miserable and how good things were. it's like posters who complain that forums are boring but still they return and still complain , what the point? I just returned and what I had was just fun , fun , fun. Upon reading forum I see gloom, gloom , gloom. For me something is not adding up but that's my problem I guess and I'm glad to have it. LOL

don't forget that drool-worthy for one warrants running away screaming for another one, lesson I learn each time I do bar hopping with others And then there's a question what we are looking at in the first place, boy may have ugly face but beautiful body ( I noticed one at Moonlight recently ) , or may be not that attractive looking but is well endowed if that's important. Also look is one thing but what about performance ?. Last Saturday night I was at Jupiter with xiluzer, another member. And there was that great looking boy each of us had bad experience with few years apart. All we could do was to shake our heads in unison.

Day 1 A tittle of report may appear a bit strange and deprived of sense but there’s logic in it. My two highlights of this trip , one in Pattaya and another one in Bangkok had the same name / nick – Art, hence tittle. Trip did not start very well, plane arrived late and departed late so I spent 6 hours in home airport. Sure I knew it will be late but being excited with going there I figured out that I rather wait in that airport soaking in travel vibes than watching nervously passing time at home. Connection at Shanghai was lost but China Eastern took good care about busload of passengers losing their connection. We were herded into bus , take to hotel , had simple meal delivered at our door and in the morning before we boarded bus again we were treated with some breakfast as well. I heard some bad feedback about that airline but my experience with them , and it was 4th time I used their services was very good. Only thing I don’t recall too fondly are their meals – too Asian for my taste but that’s me and I understand they are feeding their primary clientele i.e Chinese first. And really sitting on the plane doesn’t not require much of calories so taking half meal does nobody harm. So looking at bright side instead if arriving at 2 am I landed at 1 p.m. No need for taxi, I took train to the city and could take an advantage of excellent exchange rates in the booths of airport ‘s rail station. Nantra Silom kept my room even if I did not show early , settled me in the same I was in last trip , undisturbed by rain which just started I did customary walk around Silom Suriwong checking for changes , noticed new Fresh Boys above Screwboys, boarded door to forms X SIZE bar and closed Dick’s in soi Twilight as well as former BOY66 renamed Moonlight now in former Jupiter site. Usually my first step is Arena but as often happened Guardian Angel gently steered me toward Senso and as soon as I opened door I knew why – M was there resting on the floor with broad smile in response to mine I guess. Along with Jack he is my favorite there and since Jack was not even present seconds later we were climbing stairs for 1490 1.5 hr . treatment. Minimum tip indicated as 1500. 1 hr costs 1000 with minimum tip 1200 and there’s note in the menu that special services may require an additional tip. Yes , expensive but since I never had bad experience there and M is one of my favorites of all time, well built , handsome former porn star with excellent massage skills. What’s more important he remembered me from the past recalling some activities we shared 2 or 3 years ago. It was great , nirvana like introduction to Thailand’s charms, of course I spoiled market for everybody and his brother by upping his tip to 2000 but I ‘d spit at myself in the mirror if I did not. It was dark when I left and I realized since leaving plane I did not eat anything so marched to soi Twilight, settled in all dining options available there ie.Maxis and ordered no , not chicken with cashew nuts but Viener schnitzel. While waiting I was observing Bangkok Massage across where my regular there Namu was entertaining some friends. At one point he noticed me and smiled broadly so I waved him over and treated with some drink of his choice for old times sake. After dinner I had great plans of bar hopping starting with Moonshine so there I went. Cute # 27 smiled at me , than again so I waved him over , ordered drink , asked if he will go with me, long time ? yes, how much ? 3000 and so much about bar hopping. Since show was about to start I was sensitive enough to ask him if he wants to watch it with me. It turned out that is a participant in 2 numbers so I told him to go and return after show. This made him visibly happy , few hundred baht more for him. They have 2 categories of boys, models and go-go. Out of 9 models at last 3 are looking outstandingly glorious but it seems they are for looking only . There were some information that off fee for them is 2000 and expected tip 5000, translation of which is that they are not interested in being offed which is fine but eye candy truly they are including start #1 , former # 60 from old Jupiter – Tam which I had pleasure of knowing already. 400 off fee paid and we marched to my room for happy , happy time together. And this is how day 1 was over.

exactly. I suspect many are basking in doom and gloom about Thailand scene and reason must be uncured constipation or something. My apologies I sound harsh. I just returned from trip there , barely unpacked and I'm already plotting how to force myself to return , sooner the better . Sure scene is not the same like before but it's still tons of fun to be had. At Arena out of 20 boys on display I'd not take perhaps 3 , it leaves 17 boys to entertain me, that's 17 days, 3 more than my regular 2 weeks foray there. And It's only Arena. Yes , f***k shows are scarce and cock on display rare but that's in the open, nothing other than size of wallet prevents somebody from having plenty of either day or night. Prices - surely went up but how much up ? In nominal may be twice over years I'm going there but is really 2018 dollar worth the same 2001 dollar was? And there's cost of getting there. Last time I paid more than 1000 $ was in 2013, on my second trip back in 2002 it was 1600$ in 2002 dollars ! Instead of tormenting ourselves with memories of glorious past , often too rosily tinted why don't look at full half of glass ? Soi Twilight is rumored to close but we already have pre-emptive strike with new bars - Tokyo Boys, G-Boy and new location of FreshBoys. On Saturday Jupiter was full 1.5 hr before show started Some boys may be lazy and greedy but weren't they in the past ? For one such there are and were before 10 affectionate, clingy and sporting genuine smile. Instead of nursing wrinkles we should smile than thank God for Thailand.

I just stay in The Venue about week ago and was very happy with room and staff, no problem with visitors - personally tested

sound like obituary after obituary , first Kawaii , then Good Boys

nothing memorable or unusual but at least they tried, some lip sync by ladyboys and some shower scene with boys in briefs but one sporting nice erection poking out of his undies for a good measure

I wish boys best but as for their quality enough to say , my usual 100 baht departing tip for most attractive boy went to their mamasan on that visit biguyby mentions

yes , at the time they operate both outlets , in soi Twilight and above Screwboys , they put show in new place even if thertec were only 2 customers myself included when I was there Friday night