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not necessarily related to travelling only but I noticed while ago that if helps to raise boy self-esteem when not only he chooses place but also pays for a meal. So sometimes when dining or shopping I make him paying , of course previously making sure I gave him money for that when I stitch ploy together. Yes , they also leave a tip for server and yes again , they usually give me back money left over from that ploy.

speaking about tips in Thailand, I wonder whether others have impression that Thais despise getting tips in coins. Pretty strong word, I know, but on more than one occasion I was asked whether I have 20 baht banknote instead or when left 20-40 baht under the pillow it was left there uncollected even if on previous day the banknote /s/ left in the same place disappeared. In bars when coins in the folder are left there as tip that's OK but when drink paid exact change plus two 10 baht coins , more than once I noticed slight grimace. I wonder if that is some pattern or I just have bad luck although one of our member once told me that he heard in such a case comment that coins are for beggars so it may be something.

I already told somewhere why - we human race like to talk about other people's money. Another thing I like to repeat is that while I tip , for me it's just afterthought , not matter for serious consideration. I only hope that people on tipping side of debate are better than my friend Henry ( he has nothing to do with this forum, not even gay ) who, wherever we dine together reminds everybody that we should leave a tip but somehow invariably he is one of our crowd leaving smallest tip . Years of open joking about that did not loose his purse even tiny bit. I'm pretty sure many of us know the type.

I understand you are asking about Oasis ? Its on Suriwong between Patpong and Tarntawan Hotel soi, well posted but easy to miss because place is small and above street level with 5-7 steps to climb. Run by farang with Thai wife, Open only evenings and nights. As for worth going to ? I only can answer for myself, I like it and consider their chicken with cashew nuts best everywhere. No trip to Thailand goes without me dining there , either alone or with forum friends not to mention several boys I forced to climb those stairs. So for me definitely yes. As for others it depends , over years I got few PM's saying that people were disappointed with my accolades about the place. But the same can be said about my other favorite places - Foodland Patpong and Old Heidelberg Pattaya. This doesn't stop few of our members proclaiming along with me that those places are great . So as usual , all is matter of taste. Go and try for yourself and then you will know. Since I treat restaurants everywhere in very utilitarian way - I go there when I'm hungry , don't look at me as food expert at all.

yes , just like printing boarding pass at home instead of getting it from airline counter. I fact I like that system of ordering dish as I have few friends / none from this forum / who are notorious for spending time picking up their treats while rest of party ordered long ago and it's just a hungry witness of their hair splitting deliberations.

still less than I pay in Oasis Surawong, place where I like that dish the most. It's sure thing that whenever I will be in Pattaya next time I know where my first meal will be eaten as long as they still will stay in the business

as with many other venues it seems that it is another case of "go and try yourself " as even reports in this thread cover all spectrum from happy to disappointed. It doesn't mean anybody is wrong, different people go with different expectations or our visit just felled on the wrong /particularly good day and we tend to extrapolate our experience as universal. I don't frequent saunas so don't take sides on the subject but freshly recall my two visits in ABomb in Jun , two days apart. First time I felt I'm spoiled for abundant choice, next time it was barely two boys I cold hang my eyes on. So two different people following me each on separate day could have opposite impressions even if each shares my taste.

I'm glad I don't have your inhibitions because I would. After all you paid for it.

You are right but not for reason you mentioned. As matter of principle I don't do that unless invited by the boy i.e. sitting beside me and taking my hand there or boy flashing goods from the scene and already observed that he is not against stepping down and allow closer inspection. And even that would be rather to re-distribute world's wealth than out of my lust as I like private things private. For the same reason / redistribution of wealth / I, by definition , tip participants of f***k show since if inclined to see one I would rather just off two willing guys and took them home for no rush performance. as for age issue, while there are older mamasans , a lot of them are still not far from stage performing years although truth to be said I rarely see them as attractive. Still, when harassed to a tip I found asking then to show me their cock effective yet friendly and business like way of shedding them off for a evening without any bad feeling. After all they see all the time how boys are earning their tips

Nothing wrong with that practice, but still I would't pay that much just to reserve a seat but others may be tempted, not different from paying for seat choice on the plane which I don't do either but plenty others do.

I have a habit of giving my leftover small change , if any , to a airport cleaners. From zillion of visits in bars I doubt that practice of tipping mamasan 100 / 200 baht is that wide spread , specially in more popular bars where crowds are arriving for the show and leaving right after and most of audience is East / South East Asians, not exactly famous for coming from tipping cultures. Not that reports about lavish tipping are exaggerated, I was witness myself of boys being tipped 1000 baht for just being on the stage, not even fully undressed, but those were boys , not waiters or mamasans.

Thank you for the update good luck for them but sooner pig will see Heaven than I tip mamasan 200 or waiter 100 unless they allow some indecent inspection of their hidden gems. 'standard tip to mamasan or waiters", fully dressed at that, it's lunacy. But if others keep bars running for us that way I can only applaud their generosity.

may be they think it's more upscale and sophisticated practice, if that's the case just wait for a price rise

unless you really into hunks you should find something to your liking, particularly at Good Boys and Nice Boys. Look at me , the hunk lover, still 3 months ago almost to the day I managed to find somebody at Winners suitable for long time off, angels and aussie_ my witness ! Everybody has own bar hopping strategy but I'm still surprised that some have those preconceived notions about this or that place and don't look inside by definition while in fact nice companion may be found everywhere. Boy may be too big to one's liking but may have charming smile and be more accommodating that his look conveys. The same with twinky honorary skeletons , body mass may be lacking but again smile , enthusiasm and warmth not to mention technical excellence may be there. This is not song of praise of Sunee only as it's about all venues in Pattaya , Bangokok and elsewhere , rather encouragement to shed preconceived notions about this or that, worst what may happen it that we just get confirmation of what we know already at the price of drink.

that was the beauty of Silom. My nightmare is that one day some modernizer will order all those massage and bar boys and girls to hide behind closed door of their venue and then we will have nothing but empty pavement to admire - most of us have plenty of that at home.

I for one, hate this new, somewhat sanitized Silom, thank God there's still some color in the evenings and at nights

nothing stops you from behaving decently in Sunee bars, have your drink, watch the boys on the stage, invite one or three to sit with you but keep your hands above their waistline and you have your decent fun. Sunee boys are not my type at all but I still visit at least some of those bars every trip. Do yourself a favor and visit next time , only way to have well founded opinion.

congratulations on finding your treasure

I guess it's our way to bribe members to post

I discovered when bar hopping that taking tea of coffee where on the menu eases up saturation with all that drinks. When completely full I order drink for mamasan instead of me, that way bar has business , mamasasn is happy and I'm less waterlogged as you neatly described.

then you may wish to study Christian PFC blog, he is master of finding such places

that the beauty of forum like this,people are bringing their own ideas, warnings and recommendations which we can utilize if inspired. I doubt I ever stay in Nantra Silom and Raya if not xiluzer, at Classrooms and Baan Silom if not z909 , I learned about Madrid Pizza from ChristianPFC, biguyby showed me Salt and Pepper and Das Berliner, abang recommended Kiss , firecat pointed at Boat Bakery , paulsf showed me joys of sitting in Hot Male downstairs and 1MoRussian told me about now defunct S52 Massage in Sukhumvit soi 52. I learned here about Banana Club and Senso and Bank of Thailand Museum. And I'm sure many of us could draw similar list.

Ayuthaya and Kanchanaburi are easy day trips from BKK, Ancient City ( Muang Boran ) in Samut Prakan is even easier. Did you visit Snake Farm across the street from BBB INN ? Two different shows , often overlooked. Since you are heading next week , bring umbrella , reports are it's raining a bit now

no need to be defensive, you can spend money way you like and that's none of our business , it's just use of word 'reasonable' which prompted me to comment . Imagine somebody ( me ?) putting in print " I paid reasonable 4000 for his long time with me" . Crucifixion at the ready for spoiling market for others !

Blessed are those who can call 1350 reasonable meal price for their wallets will be always full .