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I personally would not have a problem of telling him it's just too expensive but I realize it's it not always that easy and some nice people may have problem of saying no. This is where my second solution comes handy - I almost never go shopping with boy or in fact with anybody anywhere. In my 13 trips grand total shopping trips with boy is THREE. Even this come with restrictions 1. shopping for clothing at MBK - boy was told up front that my budget for him is 1000 2. targeted shopping for some kind of training belt, boy asked if I can buy one for him, I asked how much it may cost , price was approved but belt not found so money went to buy some muscle building supplements, wasting money if you ask me but promise is promise 3.on Christmas Eve walking with boy through Patpong noticed that he looks longingly for fake watches so i bought him one for 500 to his and mine delight, worked only 3 months as I learned later. My advice is , if we want spend money on the boy - increase his tip. If we buy him expensive stuff or treat him to a expensive dinners as somebody above sensible noticed - if fact we are spending this money on ourselves. I don't mean to offend anybody and my apologies if it sounded harsh but we want him to look good or have a company for a dinner we fancy. If you buying him something instead of paying for it at cash register slip him cash and make him going there to give him this short bust of self esteem. I do this often at restaurants and like their face expression when waiter brings me a check and I push it over to a boy. if he knows value of things expensive is expensive. Actually are really customers lavishing gifts on a boys? Just asking , but definitely I'm not only asshole in a crowd, who as mentioned above almost never buys them anything with substantial price tag i.e more than 100 baht / one hundred /. But I feed them before and after off and this is for selfish reason - if boy won't be hungry , lesser chance he will rush things to go home / read: to eat something/, in the morning I just like to have dining company , for some reason not that crucial in the evening or during day.

based on your narrative above I need to say one thing - DTG is very decent guy.

enough to mention Sukhumvit soi 11

I like your way of thinking and in fact practice what I like. Vacation for me is not a time for penny pinching, we have whole year for that. Of course it doesn't make sense to throw money around senselessly but I believe one on vacation should splurge on things he likes , whatever it is. It's why if I can't finance it , I stay home until funds are gathered i.e. debts from previous trip are paid.

lucky you

I think the same person may be one night Mr. Lonely and another night Mr. Horny, certainly my case . I also recall quite a few boys very business oriented one night and very clingy another one. this is my experience as well , It why I always ask boys before off or massage if they kiss, not to dismiss them but in order not to force them to do something they don't like. Quite a few boys instead of answering "yes" simply plant a kiss sealing deal immediately and there are those, usually very manly types, who say 'no' or ' nit noy' but change their mind withing confines of the room later on.

you wanted to say Gay Hater VP prick ? or was it dick ?

generally speaking you may be correct but certainly not part of my experience as I'm not fancy dinner myself and I'd never think about suggesting restaurant without Thai dishes on the menu and I'm not shy to say too expensive seeing price list. I have no problem overpaying 1000 baht for long time tip but don't see need to spent 400 on a meal I may get somewhere else for 200 1. I couldn't say it better 2. I can recall at least three such a cases including one in June when boy explicitly told me that as reported in my thread from that trip. Fully understood since we may have reverse situation - we may not want to be seen with boy in tow by friend or family member visiting BKK at the same time. World is sometimes surprisingly small place

general comment - we think that inviting boy to a restaurant is a treat he would be grateful for but quite a few times I sensed they weren't keen on idea , perhaps not wanting to be seen there with farang twice or more of their age. I wonder if others had similar experience

when was last time I told you you are master of suspension?

nothing foolish in having two boys with you in queen sized bed, tested and certified personally foolish part is to invite second boy without consulting and getting sincere OK from the first one, also tested personally. From my experience best outcome would be if idea of crowding bed came from boys themselves and presented to you to stamp / and finance/. Then even twin bed will be spacious and comfortable for all three of you. Whole idea of letting CB to slip on the couch shows that he was insanely jealous or feeling out of place or both. But on another hand if we don't try we will never know so chalk of discomfort, if any, to experience but don;t do it again as it leaves bitter taste in three mouths at once. Just my 3 1/2 satangs

Even being a big fan of Tawan I must agree with you that both seating and layout aren't best , to many columns obstructing view but on another hand boys are walking freely among audience making easy to get acquainted even for shy types. As for get in and out type I agree even more - I get in , see somebody attractive, seal the deal and can't wait to get out with him

Sounds like very romantic arrangement, I rather spend all those hours flying to Thailand where boys have their antics and sometimes are rushing things but I never noticed they check their watch

don't be so modest , actually you are good

in meantime have a great time there

and how many weeks we are away from your reports? I still remember ones you placed last summer

what about Rambo?

ever since one tenured University professor told me seriously that universal health care is pure communism I see clear difference between being educated and being wise. And most likely for every one educated who is for death penalty it will be few uneducated who are against it so it somehow levels off. Would we discount opinion against death penalty voiced by somebody with grade 6 education only ? I don't think so

bury him

great report , I'm glad you kept your promise, hopefully Arena wasn't only place you visited and this visit was not your only one at Arena check your PM

and so is Brexit and drought in ISSAN ? Wave of populism is sweeping Western world because too many people are feeling they are left out and it's why you have Trump wave on one side and Sanders on another, both out of mainstream and both unthinkable few years ago

your impressions are similar to mine from visiting Bali, great vacation destination best combined with Thailand visit after , before or both since one have much better boys fill in LOS

Welcome to the forum and keep reporting everytime you are in the area. Nothing boring above, give yourself a credit. Only stupid person we see sometimes is one in the mirror when we shave in the morning.

and strongly encouraged

1. numazu , you are way too modest ! 2. When in Thailand I agree about half fun but after I return I have feeling that boy hunting itself was much more fun than enjoying the catch, many travelers know that being ob the road is more enjoyable than reaching destination already. Benefit is even if destination is disappointing getting there was fun. You are right about experience, not only depending of chemistry between two but sometimes phase of the moon and one may have different experience with the same man even two nights in row. Boy goes with your for money but likes you so next time is much better or opposite, first night wild and second subdued because you both tired or boy knowing you better becomes complacent. 3.I'm great fan of long times best thing about it being waking up and he is right there. It's also very cost effective with every kiss-hour costing much less than 1 hr meeting , even at 1/3 cost of long time . Falling asleep makes me feeling guilty of wasting time and an opportunity.