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1. I need to go to work man, I answer when I have time and did already above. I always walk with the Tawan boys not giving them a chance to drive whatever they have but none of boys I offer I'm aware about having a car. Not to mention I try to pick up questions to answer wisely. foam is good for parched lips 2. We all are making wrong moves against our better judgement hence I tip 3000 when I should 2000 and so on 3. this is what you think but what about boys and them cheap charlies? I agree with you wholeheartedly and practice what I preach. Still I believe it may be circumstances that such unreasonable and despicable tip may be acceptable and life line for a boy in dire need. After all Saranrom boys are still asking for 500, asking , not being offered , and only recently they were reports some are quoting 600. While 3000 short time may be unnecessarily lavish I can envision situation when happy camper will throw that much and would moire if only boy asked. There are some offs we remember years after when boys were worth of every penny and perhaps we even thing we should pay them more then.

I'm not aware about any boys I ever offer owning a car although I know one who owned farm , no idea how big but still a farm. Few owned expensive motocycles but still very few. Since almost always I walk my boys down to a street I can say with certainty - way too many of them are jumping into taxi instead of using cheaper mode. I'd like to see them being more prudent. For the record, I rarely give them taxi money and if , only because I want , not because they ask. Recall only one case when boy given 100 for taxi said that he still will take a bus.

and as far as I know this is reason many are refusing long time off or are taking off under any pretext

In May last year I was about to off boy from there when Mamsan brought him chits for performing in two numbers in the show, total 280. I doubt it changed. I wonder how much boy who bottoms in fuck shows gets but I doubt it would be more than 200-300 plus tips from the audience. Then one may wonder if 300 offered by chap skate is really such a bad deal in boy's eyes. At least he will be fucked in privacy , not in front of everybody and his neighbor. Before Crucifixion starts I haste to add that that in all my trips only once I paid as little as 1000 for short time and I don't practice "Pattaya discount" and pay the same there and in BKK.

what this is supposed to mean? This is open forum and everybody can make any statement he see fit, even after just i night in LOS nothing stop him from pretending he is an expert.And we have own brains to assess if he is right or wrong. Sometimes fresh look brings new view overlooked by those who are way too attached to their own opinions to see that another point of view is possible and even shockingly may be accurate. I'm fascinated by heat talking about other people's money always generates. Going rate is one thing but means nothing to somebody who is desperate to get some cash because rent is due or loan shark is threatening and he did not have an off for long time. What we and rightly so, may find is despicable he may consider somebody throwing him half or even third of what is supposed to be, his savior at the moment . What is so difficult to understand this? Perhaps some so experienced , by God's grace never really were in such dire situation to it's so hard to grasp that. What amazes me is that some extolling virtue of 1000 baht going rate are condemning cheap charlies and that's right but scream at those who pay well over but say that at times boy may be happy to receive half of that due to circumstances.

it means they are smart and it's always better to deal with smart people than dummy ones

but there are ones to counterbalance: flying cheap at end or aircraft, staying in cheap hotels, eating barely edible food, drinking only beer from 7/11 at most and then throwing money saved this way at the boys by paying generously because boys are the reason they come there in the first place. But even those cheapskates have their indulgences from time to time and feast on chicken with cashew nuts

clearly this DTG is not only charmer but also very level headed person. I second firecat's comment, very good and insightful post

I may sound pathetically old fashioned but fondling in open air bar, straight or gay should not be taking place , door were invented for a reason

no , building looks different but location near bus station is similar. Perhaps they demolished old one and built that ,no idea . It was 19 years ago I was there , Hotels may change bur ruins recommended to see are still standing and crumbling

this I can agree 120%, even boys when asked about earnings are inflating if they think they can extract higher tip or deflating to trigger generosity out of pity.

from bars I'd second BoyzBoyzBoyz may have some. ToyBoys, Abomb did not have anybody matching description last Jun but had in the past so worth checking , particularly ABomb. You may see somebody you like in XBoys as well although no guarantee. Best bet will be massage places - all three in Boyztown and Royal House beside TukCom. One of Copa masseurs in June would give most Tawan boys run for their money so you can hope he will be still there when you will be. In such a case you are fixed for length of your trip. Unfortunalely I was shackled with Tawan boy I took with me to Pattaya so other than checking his concrete hard 6 pack I did not manage to get into closer inspection but he looked very impressive

and this is exactly when this pitiful 300-500 may come handy. I can say it loudly because I pay way, way more but still remember old saying that not everybody who shits on you is your enemy nor everybody who is taking you from shit is your friend. Few boys have a car but truly few I guess, not long ago we had report from poster offing Jupiter boy to Babylon who took him there in his car.

and rightly so , you know how expensive is to maintain , insure and fill up those things? LOL on more serious note I don't think that many and some of those who do are owning vehicles they shouldn't because they can't afford it, just like lots of people in our own countries.

firecat , you asked for an explanation and I did, no need for an argument ask hungry boy what he says first, otherwise it's just paternalistic drowning person may consider one who throws him a razor his saviour

Since I'm not a beach person I stay in MARGARITA hotel downtown, not sure if it's still in existence under the same name but liked it because of really oversized room with big balcony

sex wise I think you can but I'd still be waiting until you are in the room and see how things are developing. this is why you should sit with boy, have a drink or even dinner with him to give you chance to feel him up and for him to feel you too , not only in physical sense but as a personality First time in Thailand? Of course not , you were few times before but somehow never tried Thai boys because you were travelling with your girlfriend, coworkers or even mom. I would not recommend to pick up your first boy or even boys on first few days based on website or other pictorials. Boy you will see in flesh may not look like one you imagined by the photos only Just go there, see what is available , who is looking and smiling at you and go from there. If inclined don't pay any attention to what you read her about any establishment or a boy. We are reflecting our own experiences which may or may not mirror yours. Go with your guts, we will be happy to comment ' did not we tell you?" but also happy to read that you were glad you did not listen to us, went to say, Jupiter offed this boy and he landed you in paradise on another hand. Out of three massage places mentioned I'd recommend Arena, exactly for reason mentioned above, you will be close to boys and you will be able to size them out better. But for your first massage experience I'd rather steer you to soi Twilight where you have Bonny's and Bangkok Massage with boys sitting outside. You may park yourself in a restaurant across /Maxi's / or beside / Dick's/ and survey boys over a drink undisturbed. By the way, it's recommended that you don't eat about 2 hours before massage so go for it before dinner You are in for a ball anyways

Please note 'below ' is your addition, I did not say that It goes by an actual deed. If I pay the boy 300 or 500, call me cheap charlie and worse. If I offer the same but actually accept his higher counteroffer or pay him going rate even if out of whatever reason he accepted my low ball I'm not cheap, I was just testing market. The same with boys and long times. If he agrees to 3000 and in the morning wants 4000 he is greedy. If he wants 5000 but settles on 3000 he was just testing market

you are on the roll in this thread LOL Of course you are right, to prove that point it's enough just to read comments in our ' model 'thread when some are salivating over boys,. dismissed by others right away. I mentioned it already I got great kick when proudly presented my companions to ChristianPFC who invariably whispered ' too fat"

and this is an impression I have too, I heard it few times from boys about farangs who offed them to high class hotels like Lebua, preceding with lavishly funded dinner and then offered tip lower that even standard one . Although it's not always because client is cheap, sometimes simply he may not have an idea what rate is but for boy it makes no difference. as for offs - yes , even superstars are going home empty handed. I had recent report from my beloved Tawan from guy who visited few nights in row and saw one of their brightest stars customer less night after night.

I don't see issue with posting anything about everything. if post pick interest of others may live here for a while even if it will be about municipal elections in Bolivia or so. If it's misplaced will die natural death and very fast

I can recommend day trips to ruins of Tulum and Chichen Itza. Count your money when exchanging at the airport, I still keep printout from adding machine showing 200*8=1400 !!!!!! and this is what I got instead of 1600. It was back in 1997 but I doubt much changed in their "mathematics"

I remember that post of yours. No doubt some are cheap charlies but probably some are fishing how low they can go and settling on higher tips While I have no intention of arguing how many offs boys have and how much they make, based on conversation with boys over the years for my personal use I believe that better than average boys are lucky if they have off every 4 days and massage boys are lucky if they get one massage every second day. Sure there are attractive and lucky ones who get repeat business daily but this rarely last long

few hundred baht is cheap for us, not the boys as most of them are living hand to mouth as firecat eloquently and accurately argued above. I got lesson of this last month when was with Tawan boy in Pattaya. He wanted some fish treat Chonburi region is famous for for his sister. Small jar was 150 and more than twice as much bigger 250. It was eye opener for me to see how disapponted he was by such a difference in price. Of course I bought big one for him and the thanked me few times for that, even few days later on my day of departure. Did not point all those long time tips but he thought important to thank for that big jar. So those 100 baht companion tips are going long way for a boys.

were we frugal when we were their age? remember you are saying that from perspective of person who has lots of life experience, at 19 chances are your budgeting skills were the same like ours at that age - non existing welcome to the forum but no need to be sarcastic on introduction. better way is to say what you think on the subject