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last time I offed boy from Jupiter in May 2013, off fee was 400 and he wanted 2000 for short time . left before time agreed claiming he is tired and still asked for taxi money on departure. Great body though and nice personality but certainly not client oriented. Now works as massage boy at Prince and after his shift there he may be seen and available at Screwboys Ever since I go there every trip but just for the show and look at boys / # 60 looks semi-god /. May give them a try again since my friend whose opinion I trust had a great encounter with one of the boys there at end of last year. He also paid 2000 Actually even those two may provide an opportunity, I saw one in Classic on my last trip , actually veteran there -he was top when they had fuck shows. Not big guy but hunky enough. In X-Boys they had or may be even still have one coyote who was very well built and only reason he did not land beside me was that I was with boy already. Screwboys is worth checking as well.

that sounds better

What you don't like about guys from Planetromeo? I don't use it but I'm pretty sure one can find object if deep breathing over there easily. All go-go in BKK are upsacle as there are few places like that in the whole world. Selection varies from time to time and bar full of great bodies now may turn less interesting half a year later or other way around. Start with Jupiter if you are looking upscale and hunks or with Classic if you are looking upscale and twinks. Don't be scary by all the talk about mamasans, very few are really that pushy you need some strength to push them off. Best way to shake them off is to tell them your wife or boyfriend is waiting in the hotel and you just killing time. In Tawan mamasans are leaving you alone but boys may be approaching you with advantage that they are undressed , not uniformed to you can have a feel of the skin at least on the initial approach. Remember just one boy you like makes bar upscale and worth visit and all the shine is useless if you don't see anybody worth taking home.

Verso , good luck with #72 ! I share your opinion about BBB bar News from HERO disturbing, empty lobby at peak time? Where are day when one was forced to wait 1 hr for empty room? Hopefully it's just statistic blip but shutting off hot water?

I recall very well that before my first trip to LOS back in 2001 I was warned about pesky mamasans from quite a few sources. But on my first visit in my first ever bar in BKK i found mamasan being very helpfull. He instantly recognized me as newbie, explained process , picked a boy for me and send us off . Without his guidance I 'd probably chicken out and left empty handed. Ever since somehow I tolerate mamasans

Sorry to disappoint you, nothing sensational but you guessed correctly, Story involves driver / me , sober / and his passenger heavily drunk with urge to puke so I turned to dark park alley. Seconds later cop appeared form nowhere but my friend was already relieved, fortunately outside of car.

again I 'd say that car driving to darkened public park at that hour would attract attention of police everywhere not just in Malaysia and not necessarily to nab just people having sex in that car

I'd not be so radical in statement on the subject since I have good reason to believe both that full sex either way can be had for that amount and they are clients who pay much more than that for just a massage or perhaps be even body contact only.

I doubt having sex in a car in public park qualifies as ' behind the closed doors and privately' in any country, not only Malaysia

get better fast, it's very unhealthy thing to be sick

welcome back

still cheaper than in soi Twilight

It doesn't not mean that he needs to go right after, although it happens, specially if offed early and has chance of going to the bar for another chance of off. My experience with short time is very limited since I prefer massage instead but even my short times were everything from said 30 minutes to conversion to full time on boy's initiative "I want slip wit you". I wonder if others had similar experiences It's not length of time I pay as much attention to but who is making motions to leave first - if it's him, this is kiss of death in my eyes and he won't be offed again / 1 exception so far and appropriate to the thread tittle- Tawan boy, proven that sometimes is better to forgive/

In every venue it's mamasan's job to make sure boys are offed and fees paid, if you arrange off hours visit directly with boy than you will not pay off fee but if you run it officially like you did fee will be requested. On few occasions I was offing massage boys at closing time and they still wanted off fee to be paid although at Arena they skip it few times but only when I had massage there during day but even this seemed to depend on the whim. bar fine is term used in girly bars, off fee is boy bar term. Fee paid to boy is called tip. Short time is everything from 'you cum, I go' to 3 hrs which is length of time after which you will be asked to vacate short term room. Long time is overnight indeed, for me it's till breakfast and this is expectancy I present to prospective boy. I'd not be happy if boy would be leaving at 6 a.m. unless agreed in advance but some of us may be relieved to have bed to themselves to catch some sleep at least in the morning.

don't over organize your first night and even whole trip for that matter and leave plenty of room for some unexpected fun, otherwise you will spend your vacation time checking watch and messages

second time in as many days we have similar experience to share in respect of boys behavior. I noticed too then when I frankly told boy what I did not like last time / not right away but after some time / not only they offer improvement but given a chance, they deliver. Most rewarding is a case of one of my semi regulars after being told that I did not like him leaving too soon last time , now is not even making motions of departure until given clear hint to benefit of both of us since I have a man and man gets a more cash. And it seems boy telegraph spreaded news to his friends from bar since I noticed big improvement to time management discipline / one remains to be broken, failed twice already but there are exceptions I guess /. Since heat generating subject of tips resurfaced and my name was mentioned I can say that opposite to paulsf I always ask boy how much he expects. From those who answered / up to you seems to be still most popular option / for short time I had requests from 1000 to 3000 and for long time from 2000 to 5000. Actually paid for short time / rare for me like snow in Florida almost/ 1000 - 2000, once even 2500, for long time 2500 or 3000, once 3500. If this is on high end side only comment I can make is that I recall fondly those overpaid 2500 and 3500 meetings and rather forget all three 1000 ones in last few years.

No a first time that straight boy performed better than one could expect. I'm glad you confirmed what I also noticed. I preach theory that lost of them are trying harder because they know they need to. Congratulations from me as well.

you will get stamp for 30 days, yes it's a bit awkward that you will be leaving right away. If it was me I'd inform stamping officer right away that you are just in short transit , they may have another stamp for you

good luck with boy from Fresh Boys tonight !

Hopefully abang, our resident Singaporean will wade in into discussion

Yes it does, simply instead of collecting money inside when you are ready to go , you pay 400 at the door, get the chit which you exchange for a drink. You can still purchase another drink and they will bring you check bin to the table. It seems they do this only on busy nights, likely they had problem of controlling patrons disappearing without payment or watching the show without purchase of drink. I don't mind this system, yes, they allowed me to peek inside without purchase but possibly because they recognized me from the day before.

Don't read my comments as attempt of discouraging anybody from going to Hero which is still centrally located or any other place in vast area outside of central Bangkok. It's fun, just far away fun Only thing I was trying to point is , I repeat , that for some with limited time in BKK benefit of getting cheaper rate at some place away from Silom ghetto may not be worth of travel time and associated expense. If one doesn't like anybody at Senso, Playboy is no more than 5 minutes away, and there are 15 steps from Bonny to Bangkok, no such convenience in case of VClub / they are not even cheaper/, Hero , Jey etc. Hero is still in my opinion king of Thai gay massage places although recently it seems Prince is giving them some run for money. It's probably my personal bad luck that my experiences in both places were just above OK and not for lack of trying specially in Hero case, it's why I rushed to the defence of Silom ghetto. As for selection, yes, probability that among 30 we will find out gem is much higher then when only 5 are available but it's just probability, in both bars and massage places what we need is only 1 boy to shine in order to be happy - this was my case at far away Fundoshi in Dec 2014, only mamasan was on duty and turned out more than perfect. But what I'd say if that did not work?

I, for one. would not even think about tipping somewhere else than in the room. I don't think other co-workers and perhaps owner / mamasan need to know and see if tip was given and how much. If boy wants to reveal it , his choice. Some boys will try for more , some are happy with they got or too shy to ask. Never hurts to try I guess on the first and possibly only encounter. I never has such a requests from boys I had seen before. I don't think ' just say 'no' is universal advice, what if we are extremely happy with boy ? He may be too greedy but if just provided us with time or our life or even a day, why not to succumb to his greed. As for Silom ghetto avoidance comment, I can't agree with pong. You must be resident or frequent visitor on long trips. While places far from ghetto are offering lower prices and the same quality of massage every patron needs to decide if long trek to say, M101, Fundoshi, S52 or Body Club is really worth it. For adventurous types , yes. Good opportunity to see unexplored parts of Bangkok but ghetto places are a plenty and from my experience selection of boys available is much bigger. So trading savings of , say, 700 baht / 200 in cost of massage and 500 in lower tip / for time spent travelling and searching a place may not appeal to everybody, in particular if one arrives and finds only 5 boys to choose from as opposite to 15 sitting in front of Bangkok Massage soi Twilight. Paufsf just reported spending 1.5 to get by taxi from Suriwong to Hero, both very central, I walked there in less time. Don't read those comments above as discouragement from going to places out of way , rather as warning that Bangkok is so vast that place looking close on the map may be literally hours away, no matter what mode of transport one chooses and often price advantage is leveled by cost of going there. ie. paulsf reported taxi fare 150 one way , times 2 = 300 plus cost of 1 hr massage at Hero 700 = 1000, exactly what expensive Senso is charging, 3 mins walk from Silom

single entry visa , one you get in the airport is valid for single entry , no matter how long you stay up to visa validity, so unfortunately upon return you are back in the line unless there's something I don't know

I think this is Thong, Mr. Thailand two years ago, #1 is Mekhin , #2 is boy you saw at Lumpini gym, i think his name is Nom