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I support firecat's rant raised in noble cause and all names he threw at those cheap skates. I like the boy as stated several posts above and I'm glad that he found such a generous farang like you. But I have some doubts if whole issue deserved so much heat under the collar. Of course offering less than accepted rate is taking advantage of situation but this is what market is for. I have no doubts that with poor rental market boy paying 3000 / month would not have any reservations about asking landlord for reduction to 2000 knowing that most rooms in the residence are empty. Fair? no, taking advantage of situation? yes. Would I condemn boy ? no. Would you? I doubt. Yes , customers offering such a low rates are not fair but this was just an offer. Boy can accept , refuse or try to negotiate better rate. Real taking advantage of would be if price was agreed and reduced after the deed and this would be humiliating part. Yes if we want to have them available we need to support boys, bars , massages etc. otherwise they will be gone. Cheap skates should be condemned and shamed to be more generous for that self-serving reason. But at end of day it's up to boy to decide if offer is worthwhile to consider or better be ignored . Clearly he was not happy since he complained to you but when you with your promise to top up what you already deservedly gave him will be gone he may decide from time to time that low rate is still better than none. And day may come when he notices spark in client's eye and suggest 2000 ST hoping that spark comes from another type of heat under the collar or somewhere else not paying any attention to going rate of 1000.

No doubt some of those climbers would say the same about experience of sleeping with boy half of our age we so cherish. It's good we humans are so diversified which helps to keep many talented people in employment.

Mallory , famous British climber who perished on Mt Everest, when asked why he is climbing such high and dangerous mountains apparently answered ' because they are" As somebody who had pleasure to visit both places I dare to say, yes you are right. Pattaya seems even cleaner, surprisingly perhaps. No, I did not go higher than Base Camp. If somebody is curious , it may be surprising to some , Everest summit can't be seen from the Base Camp. Why driver's argument may be valid, LOL is a bit misplaced in the context sinec danger is real. many a soldiers understood the risks and perished without consolation that they were right about that risk

sometimes trolls ask questions answers to which can be useful for others and sometimes they trigger useful and vivid discussion. In short, let them be or ignore depending on preferences.

Intimidated by Arena? This certainly I'd like to know why unless it was your first place to visit , than I understand, I had the same many years ago in the same building. It was place named HIS, long gone. I tried 3 times with pumping heart and finally made great step inside , never regret to this day. I personally consider Arena friendliest of all massage places in BKK although their way of selecting can be intimidating with all those boys smiling at you. I hope you will like Banana as well, I like it for 4 reasons , boys are at distance so not as intimidating , owner/mamasan Kevin very informative / don't be shy tell him you are looking for a bottom /and not pushy, boys seem to be well trained in the massage and Tao there is probably best masseur I ever had, Wat Po trained and it shows.

thank you for warning, either you need to change hotels or use short time room at BBB Inn or Suriwing hotel for your meetings. Even better , go to massage place like Bonny or Bangkok Massage not to mention Hero etc and you will have everything in the house

and if crowded , gives an additional bonus of possibility to squeeze by and get some feeling

You may suspect what you want but saying loudly that somebody gets an income from diverting visitors to fake BBC site and such is pretty offensive IMNSHO, specially that most of comments above are reporting NOT having any problems. I'd use private message function first

Usually we probably no but usually we get a bit more personalized service from taxi drives than from bus drivers or train conductors. That's true that North Americans are spoiling it for rest of the world but this is what it is. Their culture is tipping one so they tip, others from not tipping places will be waiting to get 3 baht change when paying 97 baht fare with 100 baht banknote. I don't see it as problem in Thailand where one is rarely pressured to tip / go-go etc exempted /. I personally leave them with change if meter used but would not tip one where fare is negotiated.

Very good report, short and up to the point That's extremely rare, unwashed boy, I had such a displeasure once but .can't even remember when and where. for bad breath I always carry small bottle of Listerine with me in my day pack and if boy is showering with me I offer use to him. If I sense body odor I'd not be shy to invite boy to take a shower, preferably with me. As for top/bottom question my experience is that is asked rarely , they probably expect guest to rise a question if that's relevant although reason for that may be that I make my pick up decisions very fast so not much time for mamasan to even ask. As for your Hero experience you not only one who thinks boys there are too fast to go to the point, specially if you state your top/bottom preference they think this is what you came for so why bother with massage. Can't entirely blame them for that. But if you tell them to slow down advances they will, they keep their standards. Glad to hear about Banana, I have soft spot for the place along with Arena. I wonder when they will be moving to soi 23 as rumored. Not a bad location either.

no problem at my end either and I haste to add , thanks God for that, I like his balanced diet of gay and sightseeing posts only difference I noticed is that ads showing usually in the bottom of each post disappered in last few of them

not necessarily, some of those giant bulges are disastrous results of silicone injections , one from Xboys Pattaya was mentioned here few times, I'm sure there are takers but not me for sure, yuck

lesson learned, always ask , chances are you will get fast and polite response from somebody. Sure, many things are repeated over and over but nobody expects newcomers to eitther forum or Thailand to go through 50 pages of posts in order to find an answer

don't be shy !

this is a case with duds sometimes , we pay one and get half or even less

no, one into fun would be to distractive , instead of admiring sights you will be plotting how to cut sightseeing short and check contents of his bulge.

Partying whole night before long flight has an advantage - you will be tired and increase your chances of having good sleep on the plane. Don't party too long though and leave well before flight just in remote case your car would break down somewhere in between or your driver simply doesn't show up at time promised -this was reported by somebody not that long ago. I'd be sleeping in Bangkok last night , not necessarily near airport, taxis in BKK are aplenty and easy to hail even in dead of night. But it's just me

Land of Smiles, its how we call Thailand, welcome to the forum both of you short time, 1-3 hr deed, after that boy goes back to his bar, you go to sleep or another bar to arrange for next ST LT = long time=overnight ChristianPFC = Christian Private First Class, famous blogger and contributor to all gay forums BTS = overhead rail MRT = subway / underground, tube, metro/ BRT = express bus from Chong Nonsi BTS station

don't worry , nothing wrong with being modest

Don't forget to report your impression from time to time. Always interesting to learn how others are seeing places we are familiar with and notice things we bypassed many times unnoticed.

If you ask me I actually prefer gradual undressing than buy starting naked right away. Makes for better building up an atmosphere. Sometimes even very adventurous boys prefer to be dressed and only when done with massage shedding whatever they wear signals stage two. And there are those who are undressed but don't like being toughed until massage is completed and those are usually the best artists, proud of their massage skills, at least this is my impression.

Win -win situation, both you and boy area happy. He looks as he deserved it and had a fun too. For sure he will keep his side of bargain, steady income of 500 every day or even every second day is nothing to sneeze at. I too learned that on second and subsequent off boys can be trusted, quite a few times I paid them agreed fee in the beginning just to see what happens and never had any problems with underperforming or leaving early which I hate. Wouldn't try that on first meeting though. I'm sure Budda was busy last night listening to all prayers for well being of such a generous farang. In low season tips must be even more appreciated than in high one.

I can attest , his massage skills are superb but don't try any advances - he is real massage therapist , not of blended , massage /fun , variety.

after all we still have Jupiter, Screwboys and all 4 bars in soi 6 to survey, just to name go-go options. For more adventurous Be-High in Saphan Kwai is still in business

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