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Hello Londoner, Without prying too much - why not solve this problem by just moving to Thailand? Then you can have more time with P. and be where you might want to already be when the end of the life journey arrives. I am moving to Jomtien in September - as part of my retirement plan for the final segment of my life. This is my motivation to write to you what I wrote.

Being a newbie here, I wanted to learn more about who Kevin Quill was/is and his relationship to the Splash bar. Instead I found a bigger story that involves BoyzBoyzboyz and the Ambiance Andrew Drummond article that includes information about Kevin Quill truly fascinating details on what happened - quite scary for those of you who were there in those years - is any of this true ?

Hello Shonen, Interesting what you wrote. You are the FIRST SIDE person that I have met here in any of the forums. We are a hard to find sub-species within the community. Only recently, Grindr has finally given us our own distinct sexual preference category. For many years now with PlanetRomeo - I have been asking them to also give us the SIDE category - but they continue to be reluctant - another form of discrimination within the community. Oh well, the struggle and fight goes forward. Shonen - thanks for being brave to share your SIDE pleasure. More of us need to come out of the closet in order to feel safe when we sometimes receive ridicule from the people who belong to the 3 traditional categories of Top, Versatile, and Bottom. I believe that there is a need and space to add a 4th category to our traditional set of 3 categories. Dr. Joe Kort's announcement about GRINDR adding SIDE as a new sexual position category SIDE definition and anecdotes

I visited Warsaw 3 years ago and to avoid the uncomfortableness of the hotel - I rented a place by using the MisterB&B app (works like AirBnB). I had a new guy in my room every day/night and nobody said anything - as it was my own rented apartment - it was perfect. I was supposed to go to Warsaw again this past May - but I got covid and I could not go - but I had already rented a beautiful flat with AirBnB - and I was going to repeat what I did 3 years ago. I also used the HunqZ site to find all of my sexy Polish guys - there were also MANY Ukrainian guys available because of the current situation.

Those Tawan muscle guys sure know how to "milk it".....excellent business model - to keep the customer on the edge of explosion to get a deal = now that is truly thinking with your head - the one with the brain :>))

Hi Numazu, Please tell us that you are Rush reincarnated. >)) Since you were an avid reader/follower of Bangkokbois blog, you have to admit that your writing style is very similar. This is a BIG compliment by the way. I truly enjoy your updates and writing style - especially when you leave us hanging for the next piece of meat - sorry, I meant to say, segment....

perhaps it was the video posted by DAZ under his Everything Pattaya YouTube channel? at around the 4 minute to 7 minute mark in the below video, he discusses about how the salary can be better than the off fee potential earnings.

This is high on my bucket list of things that I want to do. May I ask, how did you organize this? via the mammasan? or you asked one of the bar lads and then he asked 3 of his bar lad friends to join you? Logistically, did you take the ferry and then spend the night in a hotel on Koh Larn?

Any credence to the rumour that the former Toolbox owner may open a new place in the Jomtien Complex ?

Wow Numazu, In my opinion, you are Rush reincarnated with your writing capabilities. Rush archives I really like the way that you write and the fact that you included a map, which is a 5***** star act for me!! So many posters here write their fabulous trip reports (greatly appreciated) but without a map for context - I often get lost and confused about the lay of the land. A map helps me to get oriented and prepared for my to-be adventure. Thanks. Numazu, the snippet what you wrote above - is SO true. Us gays we have fought so many years for equality and now that we have almost gained it - we are starting to lose our ghettos (hang out zones) - which for me are what made being gay so special. The first time I walked into Soi Twilight many years ago was one of the MOST gay captivating events in my entire gay life (even more so than Amsterdam, San Francisco, Paris, and New York). The intensity of it all was at first overwhelming but over time it became easier and easier to digest and enjoy - it was like heaven. I cannot wait to read your next segment.....

I like all 3 forums: Gaybuttonthai.com Sawatdeenetwork.com www.gayguides.com I like Gaybutton more for practical information (how to stuff and how to get over bureaucratic issues), I like Sawatdee because it is more focused on Pattaya, And then, the grand-daddy of all of them - this forum, gayguides - mostly for 1.) for within Thailand - more non-Pattaya stuff, 2.) the global boards for information on Europe, South America, and Asia.

Hello Emiel1981, Back in 2015 I took a hired gay guide couple who gave me a road trip through Chiang Mai, Chaing Rai, Sukhothai, and then the fabulous Kanchanaburi region. Here is a link to my 2015 trip report - in case it could be helpful to you. Cheers and enjoy, M. 2015 trip report

BINGO - you have perfectly expressed how to overcome this shame barrier. We need to own it. I've noticed that this gets easier as we get older and care less about other people's shaming tactics - especially from within the gay community. When we were young, we fought so hard against the non-gay community that shamed us in the past - but often the more intense shaming originates from within the gay community. I cannot help to use this colloquial as it is apropos - "but what a shame...."

Numazu, Excellent trip report and writing skills and narration. Bravo!! and the way you ended this episode - like a cock tease - very tantalizing. I cannot wait for the next segment. Thanks, M. p.s., your writing style is very similar to Rush from Dancing with the Devil in the City of Angels unfortunately, he is no longer with us....

many thanks for your kind words Vinapu. I am happy to learn that my previous trip reports from many years ago helped you gain more joy from Thailand - and I believe that when us members take the painstaking time to prepare them the reward is knowing that there were found to be useful and maybe even changed someone's life (4 hands) :>)) Yes, I was in the background and silent for many years - my job became all consuming and took over my life and I did not have anymore trips to the LOS, that I decided to remain silent as I could not add anything of additional value to this forum. Now that I went into retirement - I hope to be more active in all of the various forums. However Vinapu, I do in fact have a lot to learn from you. I can say it in one word = COURAGE I truly envy your courage on how you are not afraid to approach the guys that you want and to perform the "Vinapu tuck" - even in front of the entire bar audience and staff - with the result of them applauding you and cheering you on. That takes courage!! I also see that it creates tremendous positive energy and camaraderie - and I really like that. ok, I look forward to finally meeting you.

Wow Vinapu, Great finale to your trip report. You are a great report writer - I like your style. I will finally retire to Thailand - I hope to be already moved to Jomtien during this September. So, I hope that I can be one of the ones who gets to meet you and join your fan club - I love the camaraderie that develops between you and the various members of this forum. I am hoping that I can learn from you when you will be next in Pattaya and Jomtien. Cheers, M.

I would argue that this approach awakens the hunter gatherer in us from our jurassic prehistoric man period. I also had this behaviour, let's call it a "type of sport". then earlier in life, I dedicated 5 years to therapy (psychoanalysis) to try to understand my need for this exciting but endless hunt. I learned that it is partly due to the "fear of commitment", so we "hunt" which cannot lead to a committed relationship. I am not saying that is what may be going on with the OG of this post - but it is what I learned about myself. Do I still hunt straight guys? Yes, but way less than before - as I am now aware of what @Slvkguy wrote, "chaser is prepared for the inevitable" - so I now do it more for entertainment purposes. And after 5 years of therapy - I am also able to maintain a relationship - but as I write this I am currently single - and content and happy.

Hi Vinapu - I imagine that they are chatting with each other - and the reason that they are glued to their phones is because they need the Google translator program to communicate between them. cut & paste the native text and then transmit in their respective language the message. If it is not that - then perhaps they are selecting guys from the apps for a 3-some or 4-some later in the evening....

Hello @CurtisD great trip report. Would you be willing to post some pictures of your trip to Koh Lipe ? In your previous trip reports you posted some amazing pictures. Many thanks, Martin

what a tribute. In the above 2nd photo - there is a shot of our beloved Vinapu. Amazing, that he is everywhere gracing us with his love and satangs :>))

I prefer the Pattaya / Jomtien closeness to the seaside - fresh air, and breeze. The bigness and noisiness of Bangkok stresses me - therefore making the offing guy experience less fun. So, for longer periods of time I prefer to stay in Jomtien / Pattaya. For more intense action packed fun for a shorter period of time - then I prefer Bangkok. For meeting the guys - I am happy with the offerings in both places - especially now with the ease of the apps - but I do like the going out adventure of go-go and or host bar scene.

oh my God - that must have been a totally uncomfortable situation. were you able to "over-cum" that difficult situation ?

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Hello Vinapu - great trip report. Reminds me of old times. May I ask, was it easy to buy SIM card at the airport with the Test & GO. If you are to be quarantined - do they mind if you are shopping for a SIM card? If I am going to be quarantined a SIM card purchase is essential for the quarantine period. Thanks, M.

I love your Google map with location PINs. anyway to get your individual massage reviews to be embedded within the PIN popup that is displayed after touching the PIN? thanks, m.