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Although that is not my experience; during my transition in sexual tastes I spent several years and several trips in the company of ladyboys and the vast majority were lovely people just trying to make a $ like everybody else in the city. Over the last decade or more I have spent time with girls, ladyboys and boys in Thailand and the vast majority were friendly and, within the limits of my interactions with them, trustworthy. Obviously there are a small minority of all genders that are not to be trusted and/or are prone to violence. but thankfully they are a very small minority. I feel far safer walking the streets of Pattaya at night than I would do my home city of Birmingham here in England!

Invariably the boy and the farang will be looking for different things from any relationship. Farangs can easily fall in lust/love with their boy, but it is probably unrealistic to expect that a boy would lust after his farang unless there is only a small age difference? The boy is more likely looking for financial security, maybe status, maybe travel opportunities etc; sex with his farang is just an accepted part of the package? In the end it surely doesn't matter that each look for different things from the relationship; just as long as each gets what they want out of the relationship? Or maybe I am just an old cynic? 🤣

That's interesting as I (like others I suspect) had just assumed that 99% of these 'gold snatches' were 'insurance jobs' and that there never was any gold, yet alone a ladyboy. Maybe I stand corrected? Or maybe the ladyboy's name is 'Patsy'? 🤣

Great story, just shows what a little trust, patience and kindness can achieve

I love this forum and contribute when I can. But years ago I did post one trip report - but never again!

And the girls from the Beer Bars of Soi 6 and elsewhere will also say that not only do they not have a Thai BF, they 'no like Thai man'. They will also tell you that Thai men have small cocks, that they like old men, and that they positively love 'pompui man', etc etc. 🤣😂 And all this on your first short-time with them! 😅 They all, boys and girls, tell us whatever they think we want to hear. It's all a game, albeit a fun one

And many of those same girlfriends also work in the agogos and beer bars, so perhaps it isn't just the gay customers that should be concerned 😂🤣 Honestly, it has always been that way. Just about every gay-for-pay straight guy will have a GF. And just about every gay boy with have a BF. Condoms will rarely feature! We are 'work sex' only. Have a few beers, and sit there with you hands, mouths, and wallets open and enjoy the cock-fest that is Nice Boys

Sounds like Dui, he has told me the same before. He is like a machine, but never fails to 'rise' to the challenge, and never disappoints either in the bar or in the room. He is top of my list to see again next month. My BF and I often take him and his GF out for Thai buffet late at night; she brings the baby too! 🤣 Dui is a condom boy, as are most in that bar. Yes Sunee can be dark, with the bars as little beacons of light in the distance, and even Nice Boys can appear closed from a distance even when it is bouncing inside. Be brave!, it is worth it! 😂

I am due to fly in a couple of weeks time from the UK and this all sounds very reassuring. Can I just as where you were flying from please. And also what the queues were like at the airport to get to check-in?

But some of us love the decadence, sitting there with a boys' cock in one hand and a beer in the other, taking it in turns to suck one then the other until both are finished/'finished' haha. Makes my cock stir just thinking about it

Lots of good information here about the three main gay areas, and yes, I still count Sunee - plenty of life left in that old dog yet! I have had some stunning nights in Winner Boys and Nice Boys in the past. But there are also boys to be found everywhere across the city - There are dedicated boy massage shops, but also mixed-gender massage shops with boys. Happy endings are available in most boy massage shops, and also in the mixed-gender shops occasionally. And as the bars close of an evening and the late-night clubs and karaoke bars open across Pattaya there are hundreds of boys to meet, party with and possibly more, until the wee small hours of the morning. Most karaoke bars are Thai orientated, but we have never been turned away from one, and there are a bewildering number of them! Many of the boys are straight, but most will party with guys as happily as girls. @colmx is the expert on these and the clubs and could say more.

I had to read that twice and am now desperate to learn the larger back-story to this, even though there are recognisable shades of this permutating my own 'romances' in Thailand. I do have a boyfriend now, although I share him with a Swiss guy. When he is with me I am No. 1, when he is with Mr Switzerland he is No 1. Kinda works in an odd way. Fortunately we both holiday at different times with the lad, but I do kinda wonder who is his No 1 when neither of us are in town? 🤣 At the end of the say we will each have a different story (or stories!) to tell, but as long as we are happy with whatever relationship(s) we have, surely that is all that matters?

I guess I have met many BMs over the years, although most from the other forum I am on. Always interesting to meet new people, some I see again and again on subsequent trips, others are happily only passing ships. However, I have been fortunate to have had a succession of three 'wingmen' supporting me on my 22 trips; people who have very definitely become friends both while I am in Thailand and back home. Two sadly have now passed on but I remember them fondly for their friendship, advice and wisdom. The third has hopefully many more years left in him as he is quite a lot younger than me, but knows the gay scene of Pattaya vastly better than me. Our holidays don't always coincide, but when they do mine is immeasurably better as a consequence. There is a level of gossip and banter that you can have with farang friends in Pattaya that is not really possible with my Thai friends; language barriers mostly, but also wholly different perspectives as to why we are each in Pattaya. If all goes to plan I hope to be back in Pattaya from 2nd September for 4 weeks and would be happy to meet up with (most 🙃) other BMs on this forum for a drink and a chat. Don't worry about cramping my style amongst the other bar boys, that's my boyfriends chosen job! 🤣 Please send me a PM if you would like to do so

Another interesting thread Olddaddy, especially as I am even older at 68 and I am preparing for a 4 week trip in September, my longest ever. I usually do between 2 and 3 weeks, but now, almost fully retired, I have the opportunity to stay longer and wanted to see how I would cope with a longer stay both financially and physically. I am overweight, but not obese, physically active but no gym slave. I live a celibate life alone at home and drink moderately maybe once a week. Yet get me over to Thailand and I am trying to pretend I am a 20year old again, drinking and partying most nights and shagging at least two or three times a day. And when I first came here over ten years ago I could, and I did. But age is slowly catching up on me and, if I am being honest, I am slowing down. And that manifests itself in my sexual activities; let me explain. I do more threesomes, no seriously! . I am usually one of two 'tops', and although I participate, these days I am personally more of the warm-up act rather than the 'main event', and end up watching as the other top pounds the ass off the hapless twink of the night (usually my boyfriend - he loves it!). I love oil massages and their happy endings, but now it is mostly HJs and BJs (although not always ) and not always to orgasm, but I still love the teasing massage experience, and I love making the boys cum. I can still fit in at least one or two short-times a day, but increasingly I am happy to bottom. The pornstar sessions of yore when I am pounding the ass of a beautiful twink in various positions to a mutually happy conclusion are becoming less and less common each trip. In fact if I can actually cum once a day I am more than happy. But I still absolutely love being with naked, horny, young Thai guys less than half my age even if they don't have to work quite as hard to earn their money as they did a few years ago. And of course it is not just the sex, I am having to learn to moderate my drinking and partying. I try not to start drinking alcohol until after 10pm at night, although I am often still fairly drunk by the time my boyfriend and I make it back to the room, but now its often a case of shower and sleep rather than shower, sex and sleep. But although, as I get older, my holiday activities are slowly evolving, I still have an absolute blast! and look forward to my forthcoming trips with much the same excitement as I did ten years ago.

Throughout all this thread it seems to me three areas of delusion are emerging. First, - 'wouldn't it be nice if everyone else took the same approach to money boys in Pattaya/Bangkok as I do'. Second - 'wouldn't it be nice if everyone else paid and tipped the money boys the way I do'. And the third - and this is the real killer - is the delusion that a handful of active BMs on a small internet forum could materially alter the complex, and at times delicate, economy of the money boys and bars across the two cities. Even if we all agreed - which clearly we don't. I have the money I have, I am as generous as I can be with the money I have, and am realistic about what I can do with the money I have. I have less money than some (clearly!), and perhaps more money than others. Any yet the boys and bars of Pattaya continue to welcome us all; which is why we love the place and keep coming back

THere is a certain etiquette to this, or at least I would like to think there is; probably naively. I too have occasionally had the 'alpha males' deliberately trying to muscle-in on boys I was sitting with; it is annoying but also a test on the boy. If the boy is clearly distracted by the said alpha male, then he probably wasn't the right boy for me anyhow. Does dent the ego, but I am usually surrounded by alternatives. It has also worked the other way for me. I have gone into a bar to meet-up and off one of my regulars to find that he is already sitting with a customer. This has happened to me several times with one of the more popular boys in Winner Boys, Dah. Disappointed I will sit with my drink and look for an opportunity to make eye contact with him if he hasn't spotted me first. He will usually make an excuse to go to the toilet, and either make eye contact again as he does so and either smile or give a discrete little wave, or else he will swing by me on his way back and very quickly say if he thinks his current customer is just there for a drink, or maybe a possible off. So I either stay and wait my turn, or move-on accordingly, as Dah usually calls it correctly. But I echo the advice that the boy isn't yours for the night until you have offed-him and his off-fee is sitting in your bin. On the other hand I often go into a bar and just want a boy to sit and drink with, and I usually tell the boy/mamasan (so that the boy understands), that this will just be a drink or two and if he sees a potential customer come into the bar, he is entirely free to say goodbye to me and go and try and get an off elsewhere. Doesn't happen very often, but I would feel guilty if my drink and usual 100 baht tip spoiled a boy's chances for a short-time.

If they were not too busy in Eros Bar, and by special arrangement in Good Boys, you could get fucked in the bar. Not done so myself, but witnessed it several times in Eros Bar, and had it reported to me in Good Boys. Both bars are closed now, and, as far as I know, that is no longer possible in any of the current Sunee Bars.

This thread is getting toxic - which is a shame. A couple of observations if I may please: Lets keep with my experiences in Nice Boys in Sunee Plaza and take one boy in particular, Dui, who I have been seeing a few years now on my regular holidays to Pattaya. If I off him and take him back to my room, I pay him 2k baht. An exPat friend who visits the bar a couple of times a week, only pays him 1,000 baht to go back to his apartment. And if my long, long time feels horny at any time and wants this lad to come and fuck him in his room, he pays him 200 or 300 baht. Different rates from different folk to the same boy for essentially the same service, but Dui is happy with all his 'customers'. Secondly, how much you pay a lad for a Chuck Wow, or a short time, or whatever sexual service, is, for me at least, only part of the equation. It's also about how you treat the lad while he is with you, the respect you show him, the little kindnesses you show him. Taking him out to eat, to drink, or to party in a karaoke bar, or whatever?; showing him a good time while he is with you. I have a small gang of 'regulars now' from various bars, some gay, some straight, but lads I have known for up to six or seven years now and we frequently go out of an evening together. I believe I pay them reasonably, perhaps a little too reasonably sometimes, but although I remain their 'customer', I like to think we are also friends. But, if we are friends, it is as much to do with how I treat them as how much I pay them

I can only comment on the suck and tug bars of Sunee Plaza. Nice Boys will serve as an examplar, For Chuck Wows to finish, assisted or otherwise, 300 baht is expected. General handling of the goods, even the odd taste, 100-200 is expected. Anything in excess would no doubt be appreciated, but certainly not expected. Nice Boys Bar still has plenty of boys and no shortage of customers. (The old Goodboys and Eros Bar was also 300 baht for a Chuck Wow - rising to maybe 500 if they reciprocated for you; or 1k plus if they fucked you in the bar as well.) Winner Boys is less hands-on, but the occasional Chuck Wows merit the same level of tips. I am not aware of any Chuck Wow bars in Jomtien, or even Boyztown now?

Although the Observer is primarily a champion of the left, so I find their views unsurprising. The current system has two advantages: First it usually provides a clear 'winning party' that is able to form a reasonably stable government for its term of office (although dependant on the size of its parliamentary majority). Secondly each constituency elects its own member of parliament who is accountable to those people living in that constituency - some MPs are better at that than others. But generally they make themselves available to their electorate to advise on their problems. Labour and the other smaller parties are keen to change the system, largely, I suspect, because, historically, they 'win' far less often than they believe they deserve to. No system is perfect, but when I look across the pond at the political system there, I am glad that I live this side of it.

I am looking forward to this and to comparing experiences as I was also able to get to Thailand and Pattaya in April.

Bravo @vinapu an epic trip report and I enjoyed every day's account, I was particularly impressed that you never dwelt on any minor setbacks and disappointments and instead got on with the business of enjoying the next day to the full; that should be a lesson for us all on how to get the most out of our holidays.

Wow that customer was nervous. My own personal rule is not to try and touch their cock until they are touching mine, but why, at least, did he not ask the boy to remove his towel?

Did someone mention cute twinks? Feel free to send any my way - but only if they are cute though 🤣 But tell them they will probably have to wait until September

In the straightforward, no extras (normally) massage shops, either staffed by ladies, or more often by a gender mixture, the staff do get a % of the cost of the massage. I used to go to one of the bigger ones on Second Road opposite Alcazar (now closed-up) to see a Cambodian boy who I took a shine to. Oil massages there were 300 baht, of which he got 100 baht. He said most farang customers would leave a personal tip after a massage, however he said that was far from the case with some other groups of visitors, some leaving perhaps 20 baht, or nothing at all, especially after foot or head massages. He and I gradually developed a scale of bigger tips for extras (he was straight and with a GF working in the same shop), culminating in 'full service' visits to my hotel room (sadly he is now back in Cambodia). But, like I said, that was for the basic - no extras - massage shops. I can understand in those gay massage shops where extras are regularly offered, even expected, that the boys survive mostly on their tips alone. Although that said, it wouldn't surprise me if many/most boys got a basic hand-out for turning up to work. My regular boy at Scandic got 100 baht a day providing here was here by 8pm and stayed until closing - although that was pre-Covid, but I would also be surprised if such an arrangement wasn't back in place to encourage boys to turn-up?